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Just a quick note. Traded my Boguszewski Cobra to Underdogizhere for a Large hookbill TnT.

The TnT didn't work out for me -- too big. It just didn't fit me.

Underdogizhere refused to take it back unless it was defective. It wasn't defective. I just didn't like it.

Jaxurman & Larry from BladeArt both VERY graciously stepped up and offered to take the TnT off my hands. Thanks guys. That was really great.

In the end I contacted Tom Mayo directly. He's going to re-work the knife for me to make it what I wanted. Wow.

So, three good:

Jack Alvarez
Larry Brahms (BladeArt)
Tom Mayo

One Ugly:

Jerry "a deal is a deal, whether you like it or not" Roberts

Mike
 
Michael,

I was noticing that your Cobra wasn't on your webpage anymore...it's a cool knife - I've got one on order. Anyway...

I'm doing a deal right now with Jerry. Perhaps the problem came with not making a clear understanding of the inspection period. 'Cause Jerry specifically asked if he could check out the knife...as in, if he doesn't like it, he'll send it back and I send his money back. I mean, this is fine with me, 'cause we're agreeing on it before hand. I guess my point is, sometimes it's better to ask for that kind of agreement ahead of time, rather than expect it when you're dissapointed. On the other hand, it somewhat surprises me that Jerry would not offer you the same kind of inspection period that he asked of me.

~Mitch
 
It's an unpleasant situation. No one ever really wants to sell a knife - you'd rather have it than not. Usually, when you're selling, you're doing so because you need the money. Selling a knife requires patience and a bit of effort. Once you've parted with a knife, you tend to divorce yourself from it once and for all.

Until the buyer decides he's not happy with it.

However, the founding principles of capitalism, or free market trade dictate that any and all exchanges are voluntary, mutually agreeable transactions. When basing the decision to buy a knife on pictures and descriptions alone, you can never really be sure that the transaction will indeed be a mutually beneficial one. Oftentimes, you don't know until you hold the knife in your hand.

There are, of course, limits. It's improper to simply change your mind on a whim, nor is it proper to back out of an agreement if you've been accurately given all the information you required in making your decision.

In this case, it seems that Michael realized the knife didn't fit him until he held it in his hand. If Jerry misled Michael in any way regarding the dimensions and proportions of the knife, then he most certainly should take it back. If, however, Michael failed to fully take into account all the information he was given, then he can hardly blame Jerry for his own poor judgment.

Inherent in buying knives over the internet are certain risks we all must be aware of. Not being thrilled with the outcome of a trade isn't necessarily reason enough to demand free exit.
 
Wulf,
You make some very good points but in the end both parties should be happy with the trade.
 
Sounds reasonable.

I stressed 3 times to Jerry that Colorado had a 3.5" blade limit. I noticed that Jerry advertised it as 3 5/8" in the for-sale forums.

He said he actually pulled out a ruler and measured it -- between 1/8" and 1/16" UNDER 3.5". I figured I was safe with that, and stressing that IF it's 3.5" or less, I'd take it.

Well, by all accounts it's EXACTLY 3.5" cutting surface, and if what isn't the handle is the blade -- then it's the 3 5/8" he was touting earlier.

That arguement aside -- I never bothered to ask the overall length. Which in this case was 8.25". When you couple a 3.5" blade with a 4.75" handle you have a HUGE knife -- one that draws attention, and BEGS to be messed with.

And even that aside, I'm a small guy -- 5' 8", 165lbs, with small hands. This thing is a MONSTER in my hands. It just doesn't fit me at all.

Mike
 
Well I'm sure not happy with the trade, per se, but the outcome seems OK.

Because Tom Mayo is so amazingly absolutely awesome, I'll be getting what I want. Just looking at a bit of a wait. Wait TBD, but I think I read 9mos...?

Mike
 
What is "blade length?" The length of the cutting edge or the length of the knife from the end of the hilt to the tip? Does the Colorado state legislature know the answer? Does Michael? Does Jerry?

Some might argue that Michael should acknowledge his mistake in not being more specific with his questions, and accept the trade as final.

Others might argue that Jerry should acknowledge his mistake in being too vague with his answers, and offer to take the knife back.

I would argue that both parties are victims of poor communication, and neither is wholly at fault. I would not call this transaction "bad." I'd call it unfortunate, and let the matter be.
 
Unfortunate is a good word. And it looks like it's going to work out REALLY good in the end.

Just any FYI to eveyone out there -- Boguszewski Cobra's are absolutely flipping AWESOME! I just need to convince him to make a 3.5" version.

TnT's are probably the next-best-thing, and Tom Mayo is amazing. Wow. Amazing doesn't even BEGIN to describe him. I'm at a loss for words.

Wulf -- you're right, I was really stressing blade-length and COMPLETELY ignored overall length. Not normally a big deal, but when you couple HUGE overall length with borderline blade length, you're in a bad situation.

Mike
 
Originally posted by knifeman7
MIKEY at least you got a knife! I paid $111. and got stiffed!!!Mike Mason
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By PoliceOutfitters, yeah.

Well I was the "high bidder" at $375 on your e-bay auction for the Lightfoot (3.25"?) until about 3 minutes before it ended and some LOSER jumped in and bid $380 right at the close.

That sucks!

Mike
 
Unfortunate occurrence, as both parties have always appeared to be decent fellows to me.

The knife was indeed advertised as 3 5/8, Mr. Aos got assurances that the blade was 3.5" and made the trade.

Was there an inspection period specified? If one was not agreed too, one should not automatically assume that returns will be accepted (except for damage or deceit). Personally, I would have swapped back, but then again I would not have traded a TNT away :p .

Where this gets complicated is all of Mr. Aos' posts in general regarding the actual length of the blade and then a seperate poll on what he should do with it. The cutting edge looks to be 3.5" to me by the picture provided by Michael. How a blade is measured by the statute is unclear and I understand his concern.

However, he posts here that the knife is too big for him and I can see how all this could be interpreted as buyer's remourse. Is the issue blade length or that it is too big in the hand? Under such circumstances I can understand (but perhaps not personally agree with) not trading back.

At least it all worked out in the end for you.

Tom Mayo is a great fellow...... :p :rolleyes: :p
 
Mike; I will find you another Lightfoot if I have to get Greg to make me one, unless you need a Terzuola I just got. You need to learn to bid late and high!
 
Originally posted by bandaidman
Tom Mayo is a great fellow...... :p :rolleyes: :p
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I need to come up with more adjectives. Seriously, I was actually thinking about just getting rid of the rest of my knives and buying solely Mayo knives.

He's just been too great to me. WAY BEYOND anything to be expected.

Buy Mayo knives. Really. Do it.

Mike
 
Personally I do not think that Jerry deserves to be considered the ugly part of this whole thing. The part about not trading back unless there was a problem with the knives seems to have been clearly stated before the trade was made. Michael, if you were uncomfortable with that you should not have made the trade in the first place. To complain about it after agreeing to it in the first place seems a little unfair to me. I know you really liked the Cobra that you traded away, but it was your decision to do so under these conditions. The only mitigating circumstance seems to be that the knife was advertised as having an approx. 4" blade (if this is the same knife that was for sale in the forums here) and that you were told that it had a 3 1/2" blade. Michael, did you not see this description before you traded for the knife?
 
Subject says "Lightfoot", since that's where we started. These messages are referring to the TnT.
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From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:48:30 EST
To: michael_aos@mac.com
Subject: Re: lightfoot..

i measured it from end of bolster to the tip and i got a little less than 3.5
inches..
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From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:48:04 EST
To: michael_aos@mac.com
Subject: Re: lightfoot..

i just measured the TNT parrot...it is a little tad under 3.5 inches..maybe a
1/16 or an 1/8...i can ship it out to you tomorrow..if you like..i like to
use next day as insurance to $500 is covered.
 
Man, that's too bad Mike. Wish I could've got that sucker. The bigger, the better for me! It's great folks stepped up to help though. I have to say, I've done several deals with Jerry and they've all worked out POSITIVE for me.

Also, glad the "Mad Hawaiian" helped you out. Yup, my man, get in line with all us guys waiting for our TNT's. Funny, I said above that I love "mega folders", (which I do), but my TNT on order is a "Beefy", "mini, mini" with no holes, no clip and 3" closed! Go figure.

Again, sorry your deal was bad, but to reiterate, my dealings with Jerry have been POSITIVE. Just to add though, I would have traded you BACK, as long as the knives were "as sent".
 
enough is enough mike..it is sad i have to come over here too and try to explain myself..though i did nothing wrong..as i thought it was settled through the poll threads..where a majority of the forum members agreed with my thinking..

a couple of you guys hit it right on the head..it is NOT the blade length..that is just an excuse...the real issue is he has said it a few times, without realizing it, is that he doesn't like the knife..

I MADE IT CLEAR IN MY E-MAILS (posted in his poll threads) to him that because i was missing out on 2 other trades, i would not take the mayo back unless it was damaged or not in the condition i described..both of his polls..sided with me!
mike, why not post those e-mails if you can post those favorable to you..

i NEVER, NEVER said NO TRADE BACK in my e-mails..i dare him to find it..hell, i haven't EVEN GOTTEN the cobra yet, though he has had my knife 2 days....so how can i trade it back?
besides that, he has alreay expressed mailed it to tom, though he priority mailed me..?????

who is wrong here?
 
he really is getting a raw deal; here folks :( i have done about a dozen trades with jerry none easy but what in life thats rewarding is?? but jerry is a good guy honorable too he has ALWAYS kept his word !!!! mike , i appreciate you saying i stepped up to help out but your actions have made me look bad you said you were going to do something for me and did not follow thru so whats up with that you need to get ahold of me to straighten this mess out that you have created UNDERDOG IS A GOOD GUY !!! MY REP IS PLATINUM ON THIS FORUM HE CAN USE ME AS A REFERENCE ANYTIME !!! ;) GO JERRY !!! THANX :p JAXURMAN
 
WOW..Jack what a nice letter of support!

i know how highly regarded you are on here..and to have you have my back, speaks for itself...
thanks again
 
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