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it is not fine mike..and i think others will agree..a guys reputation is all he has on here and you are posting negative things that aren't true about me..and now, as in the polls you are back tracking..it is not fair..own up to it..you are the one that has made the fatal errors here..
 
I said Underdogizhere "refused" to take it back. He never used the words "refuse" or "no".

What he said was:

"it should not come back...it is within the guidelines you request and is new unused as well."

There's a second message I read, but can't find right now. It basically said (and this is not a direct quote, but it's very close).

"The only way I'll take it back is if it's defective, and it's not defective".

I _interpreted_ that as a refusal. I'm really not sure how else to interpret it.

Mike
 
i asked you to IM ME or call or e mail a #to reach you at so why are you now avoiding me ???? jerry you are right i got your back on this one you are a good guy i endorse you 100% UNDERDOG IS A GOOD GUY !!!! mike please dont avoid me i know yiou are on the computer lets get some closure here remember what ATF SWAT TEAM said at waco texas " im from the goverment im here to help " lol :Dtalk to me mikey :p jaxurman :p
 
mike,
you are wrong man..way wrong putting this CRAP on here..this is for people that have gotten screwed not someone that flounders from how great the knife is to it is too big and nasty for my hands...none of which justifies a GBU post..in addition, the not taking it back quote you use were in my original e-mail but YOU still WANTED my TNT..and to say you have the impression i meant no and no admitting i didn't actually say no..whats that about?
you are the one from the polls wanting FACTS..and now because it is y favorable to you impressions and assumptions are ok?
 
I'd be the first to call myself a "computer geek" but I don't do the "IM thing".

I tend to hang out on irc.press3.com, channel #macintosh.

I've also got:

michaelaos@msn.com on MSN IM, and maos80907 on yahoo Messenger.

I've used them, but I'm not an expert. I've got them both up.

Mike
 
and to clarify mike, here is my exact quote..i don't see a definitive NO...

mike, i need to know if you really want it..because, i am losing out on two other trades to take yours...and like all forumites, i will adhere to their policy.. if the TNT is defective in anyway i will take it back but, i do not think it is fair to either of us to trade knives..keep it a day or two and trade back..because it does not feel right or something better comes along
 
at the very least you need to publicly apologize to UNDERDOG after all you did a cardinal sin you tried to ruin his good rep with your childish nonsense as for me , you made me send you a knife !!! first of all you need to apologize to underdog then to me to say you owe me nothing thats very wrong i guess your word dont mean crap !!!!! you can apologize to us both retract your statement about jerry and give me a real sweetheart deal on the mini we talked about last nite you should give it to me but i know you wont cuz you aint me ;) jaxurman
 
BY MIKE:
I'm fat, dumb & happy about sending it to Tom to get what I want. It's worked out really great for me


glad it worked out so well for you mike..the untruths and whining, got you what you wanted..but you used me and tried to hurt my reputation to get it..i mean if you got what you wanted prior with mayo and all..why come here with this CRAP?
..uncool man..way uncool!
 
Jack,
As far as the previous deal with you.

I trade a Boguszewski Single-linger custom, Spyderco Wegner Jr., Spyderco Mouse and Spyderco Mousetrap, all in brand-new condition for a used Brad Duncan Whiplash & $25.

That might sound reasonable, except I saw the post where you bought that PARTICULAR whiplash, and I asked you POINT BLANK, BEFORE YOU SENT IT, if it was that one -- because if it was THAT ONE -- and I sent you the picture -- I ABSOLUTELY did NOT want it. No way, no how.

Well you ASSURED me it wasn't that one. It was.

I understand you have a lot of knives, and you deal with a lot of knives, and you have a lot of things going on all the time. Honest mistake. Sure. You made up for your mistake by sending me the Spyderco Veile.

So I went from three really cool knives that I liked a lot, to two similar value knives that I don't like at all.

Lesson learned. But I sure as hell don't own you anything or thank you for it!

As far as the high-pressure, used-car-salesman approach I got on the phone. I made a POINT of not committing to anything. I did NOT promise you anything.

Mike
 
I didn't get what I was supposed to get.

I didn't like what I got.

Underdogizhere wouldn't take it back.

Jack offered something else, which I declined.

I sent it to Tom for a rework.

I came out good in the end, but that doesn't dismiss the fact that Underdog didn't send me what he said it was, and wouldn't take it back.

Mike
 
you are a piece of work...in all your PRIVATE e-mails you are sending me..you tell me you had the IMPRESSION i wouldn't take it back..but here publicly, you continue to say i REFUSED but NOWHERE can you produce that..and I SENT YOU EXACTLY WHAT I SAID..a TNT HAWKBILL 3.5 inches maybe a hair less..i mean you got what you wanted beforehand and STILL posted on here?

YOU NEED TO SEEK SOME HELP..you shouldn't be carrying ANY blade, if this is how you reason...:(

and for the LAST TIME..i haven't even gotten the cobra yet..but you have had mine and sent it away!
 
...Michael, was that the Cobra that Phil had at Solvang last year? If so, I fondled the knife, but when I went back for it, it was sold...I think I remember you saying that you got it there...

If so, and if isn't 'dicked up', if Jerry doesn't want it, I'll trade for it, that is, if you want that Vallotton/Harsey A/F folder I listed tonight Jerry...

I got the A/F from Jack a few months ago, and he'll tell you, it is truly mint...in fact, I had to twist his arm to get it...

Speaking of Jack, we had a deal that went well, but I had some remorse a few days later...I wanted the knife I'd received from him AND my knife too...so I asked him to sell it back to me...

His response? "Sorry Sheldon, but I had that knife traded before I got it, I only did the deal so you could get something that YOU wanted...

So, whereas I always thought that a deal was a deal, and when both parties are happy, that's the end of the story...but, there has to be some review time specified and agreed too before the knives are sent off...period.

(See my terms for sale in my posting. I wrote them after reading most of this mess...) :rolleyes:

Also, there has to be a 'thinking period' before GB&U feedback is posted too. Each and every one of these crummy feedback postings is really going to knock the fun right of 'trading', and make us all look like a bunch of a-holes...

Most of us are pretty level headed folks, so, this 'quick draw' crap has got to stop..."It ain't right" And keep private, private. Public postings of private emails is 'Wrong, wrong, wrong!'

Sheldon (That's for you Ira...lol) :p
 
mike , how cann you live with the way you are acting here you very much lied to me last night did you not tell me and give me your word that you would not do anything until we spoke tonight??? then you just go and send the knife to mayo and spread lies about fellow forumite underdog who like me prides himself on doing the right thing yes i publicly admitted to my mistake in our trade but i unlike you took responsibility and made it right you have not done that you have merely gloated as how you got what you wanted that is so wrong so what about the very fact you traded off another mans knife before he has even held the one you sent to me thats a big nono on bladeforums am i wrong and for the record the knives you sent in my deal with you were like new as well not brand new as for me being a high pressure used car salesman i find this to be a "diss" you are wrong here guy be a man fess up neither underdog nor i did anything wrong :p JAXURMAN
 
sheldon,
i agree with you and thaks for your imput..the conditions WERE LAID out before the trade..and he still wanted to do it..i told him upfroun because i had 2 other solid deals, that i would not unwind this one unless the knife was defective or not the condition i stated..so, that was covered..my knife is gone to mayo before i even get the cobra, so even if i wanted to trade back, my knife is gone :(
 
Jack,

The knives I got from you were very cleary "carried". The blade on the Duncan has a bunch of light scratches -- possibly polished out somewhat, but still quite visible.

The Viele is an old-style, AUS-8 version with crud all over it and scuffs all along the Micarta. The blade is in very nice shape though.

I told you I would get back to you tonight with what I decided -- I decided I did NOT want the Terzoula you offered. I ABSOLUTELY REFUSED to commit to anything during your high-pressure telephone call.

Mike
 
Underdog -- I can get your knife back from Mayo if need be. Since you refused to take it back, if I was going to do something with Tom I had to do it _now_.

Yes, the conditions were laid out -- I stressed that it _had_ to be 3.5" or less, and you assured me it was.

It wasn't.

If it had been, I'd have just "sucked it up" that I didn't like it, or that the handle was too big for me.

Since the knife was 3 5/8", you should have taken it back.

When you refused, I looked for another avenue of escape.

Mike
 
THAT all OUR DEALS went well whats up with that one ??? not what i said at all i never sold your knife till you got it and said deal by your own admission several days later you had sellers remorse i truly did the deal to help you get the rare knife you wanted and posted for al mar shiva clarify sheldon thanx jaxurman
 
hmmm...what were my conditions?
forgot them..i guess..and REFUSED? here you go with that again..one post you say REFUSED..another you say i said NO and another you said you had the IMPRESSION i said no..i mean give it a REST man..
after all, i met your condition..the blade was 3.5 or less..go read your own polls and look at your own pic...i mean come on...the pic shows CLEARLY 3.5!

you are a sad...sad case...maybe i should contact a few of my law buddies in your neck of the woods to make sure you don't hurt yourself with whatever you decide to carry..it is clearly evident you are unstable, impulsive, rattle on and on..geez, are you sure you aren't my ex-wife disguised as a knife forum member..:D
 
...your intentions, while honorable, are completely unnecessary.

This is not your, ahem, fight....so leave it alone bud.

And, whether you realize it or not, you're outclassed here, and are about to get your ass handed back to you in your hat..."Get it?"

Underdog, Roger that, BTDT. It sucked...that's life.

Michael, I don't know what to say here friend, but it looks like all is going to work out well for you in the end. I hope all your future trades go a little better.

Hopefully we'll all learn a little something positive from this episode of "As the knifeworld turns", and cut each other a little slack...

Well, I don't think I have anything else positive to add to this, so I'm going to excuse myself at this point.

I'll be happy to take this to email or phone with anyone interested, and I don't have a 'side' in this...in fact, I think the whole affair bodes poorly for us all.

p.s. Jack, you DO come across as a 'Used Car Salesman' on the phone, and it's annoying 'as all get out' too. Now, you're not a bad egg, maybe not fully cooked, but if you keep up your high pressure sales, demands for positive feedback, and generally crappy posts, "Sure as the sun rises in the East", all your hard work here is going to go out with the dirty bathwater. Listen up my brother, it's time to throttle back a bit, cuz you're getting really close to stepping on your dick...mark my words.
 
here is a guy who cannot admit he is wrong says i am a good guy and then when i expose him as the liar he is he retaliates with more lying not good he could have saved face by apologizing and retracting hmmmmm makes me wonder too :confused: :confused: by his own admissions he lied by saying he would get back to me before doing anything when in fact he had done the deal with mayo earlier in the day i know jerry aka underdog to be very fair and honest something that i cannot say about micheal aos for him to imply anything less is wrong the knives i sent to him were not in the condition he claimed them to be in why did he agree to keep them if they were he should have mentioned that earlier he is reaching now because he knows he is wrong !!!! my flawless gbu record speaks for itself micheal you are a coward plain and simple ;) JAXURMAN :p
 
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