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I think it would be hard for CRK to offer an explanation based on a hand full of pictures and vids.
I disagree with the first part of your statement. While some form of conclusive analysis will not identify every possible usage scenario, it has the ability to do what you think should be done - find out the strength of the lock - as well as saving time and money.
Knee jerking based on a lone, poorly documented "test" performed by an amateur can be a rather expensive proposition. I'm sure CRK tracks reported issues with their knives and reacts accordingly.
You're a knifemaker. How concerned would you be if I took one of your knives and induced a failure? For example, by pounding the blade spine with a 10 lb sledge hammer, in an attempt to see if the blade edge would slice through a 2" piece of heat treated stainless steel?![]()
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A good blade would blow right through that stainless steel!!
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Cutting through stainless is for girls.
I use my infocomercial knife for that....
I got a framelock thats nearly finished so I will do some tests on the lock.
I could stab a fridge if I can find an old one or clamp the folder blade in a vice and hang weights on the handle until the lock fails. For dynamic loads, I could clamp the folder to a swing arm with different weights and let it swing from the same height and hit a stop.
These aren't scientific but they are reproducible and allow people to carry out the same standard tests on other folders and compare the findings.
and alsoYou have a sample size of exactly one knife
I know relatively little about knives, but I do know some mechanics and statistics. Let's keep it way simple.These aren't scientific but they are reproducible
I got a framelock thats nearly finished so I will do some tests on the lock.
I could stab a fridge if I can find an old one or clamp the folder blade in a vice and hang weights on the handle until the lock fails. For dynamic loads, I could clamp the folder to a swing arm with different weights and let it swing from the same height and hit a stop.
These aren't scientific but they are reproducible and allow people to carry out the same standard tests on other folders and compare the findings.
I personally have any desire to see your knife tested...are you saying that you make a stronger knife than CRK ?
Do you have as many knives in peoples hands as CRK ?
Is the frame lock your design ?
Send one of your knives to me and let me beat it up.![]()
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In my opinion, this test proves a couple of things:
- the umnumzaan is a very impressive knife.
- things break
How about including some relevant testing instead for how most people use a folder and tests that are of a real life concern, the like life expectancy of the knife, need for service in it's useful lifetime, and ease of maintenance.
I'm thinking test your knife for 100,000 opening and closing cycles and documenting how the framelock travels accross the blade spine vs the wear on an Umnumzaan. This is a more relevant test IMO. Also find a way to quantify ease of resharpening, cutting efficiency, and lateral prying strength.
In my 15 years collecting, using, and manufacturing experience with knives these are the characteristics that will make or break a knife. I have never encountered a situation where a spine whack or refridgerator stab would be relevant to how I or anyone I know besides a keyboard commando would use a folding knife. (Keep in mind that when using a knife you grasp the handle and hold the lock tightly closed. The tighter your grip with a frame lock the less likely the lock is to slip, and on a spine whak like is pictured in this test there is no grip around the handle. I would love for someone to explain to me how is that really relevant to a knife being used and when do you whack your folding knife against a hard object with a loose fingertip grip in real life? Again I propose this whole thread is now approaching ridiculous!)
How about including some relevant testing instead for how most people use a folder and tests that are of a real life concern, the like life expectancy of the knife, need for service in it's useful lifetime, and ease of maintenance.
I'm thinking test your knife for 100,000 opening and closing cycles and documenting how the framelock travels accross the blade spine vs the wear on an Umnumzaan. This is a more relevant test IMO. Also find a way to quantify ease of resharpening, cutting efficiency, and lateral prying strength.
In my 15 years collecting, using, and manufacturing experience with knives these are the characteristics that will make or break a knife. I have never encountered a situation where a spine whack or refridgerator stab would be relevant to how I or anyone I know besides a keyboard commando would use a folding knife. (Keep in mind that when using a knife you grasp the handle and hold the lock tightly closed. The tighter your grip with a frame lock the less likely the lock is to slip, and on a spine whak like is pictured in this test there is no grip around the handle. I would love for someone to explain to me how is that really relevant to a knife being used and when do you whack your folding knife against a hard object with a loose fingertip grip in real life? Again I propose this whole thread is now approaching ridiculous!)
Making a stronger knife than CRK is not the issue and its not hard to do. Plenty of others have made heavy duty folders like ZT and Strider.
I have no idea how many knives are in people's hands.
I didn't design the framelock, so what.
If you want to buy a knife, I suggest you do so in the usual way.
At the moment, I'm working with the limitations of the framelock and the probablility of unintentional closure is not zero.
Making a stronger knife than CRK is not the issue and its not hard to do. Plenty of others have made heavy duty folders like ZT and Strider.
I have no idea how many knives are in people's hands.
I didn't design the framelock, so what.
If you want to buy a knife, I suggest you do so in the usual way.
I got a framelock thats nearly finished so I will do some tests on the lock.
..if i ever get stuck in an elevator and have to cut my way out with my folder , Ill let you guys know how it turned out....until then it's all just apples ond oranges![]()
I foresee biased results.I have sledge hammers and stainless steel round stock at the ready.
Elevator? Its a refrigerator you need to cut your way in to.![]()
Your bias is clear to anyone