Unhappy with transaction - Advice sought ***RESOLVED***

bigmark408 said:
There should be no interpretation needed...NIB is NIB.

I just looked at some NIB 0500's that i have and they have none of the issues described by the OP here.

From my understanding ZT let out some of the new Hinderer's that were described to me by owners as junk yet people kept buying and selling them.

When you guys talk about NIB, you must also understand that they are "production" knives.

This may be a shock to some , but there are folks out there that buy knives to use them.

I have seen so many knives directly from production companies that have all types of flaws...I think it would be un-reasonable to demand a knife at a higher QC level than the factory deems sellable.

I have also owned several high dollar customs from some of the top regarded makers that have flaws.
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I agree with everything you've stated here. As mentioned above, I can live with a minor flaw--and if that's all the knife had this thread wouldn't exist.

However, surely we can all agree that if a knife is flawed, it's only fair and prudent that the seller describe these flaws in the selling description. Describing the knife as "NIB" or "LNIB" without mentioning them is a complete misrepresentation.

It's important to remember that the major selling point of the ZT MUDD is the fact that the inner mechanism is sealed from the elements. When both of the features responsible for sealing these components (the rubber gasket around the lock switch and the neoprene rings that abut the tang) are damaged, these are major flaws.

bigmark408, if you have any more NIB ZT0500s left for sale, simply shoot me an email and I'll take one. Thanks for your comments.
 
When i got online this morning, i had a weird email from a MOD...long story short because the OP had posted on my ZT thread on the 24th....2 people in this thread assumed i was the seller.

I am known for fast shipping but unless i used Millenium Falcons or had santa himself deliver, this was impossible.

People need to settle down....IMO, accusing people falsely is worse than the OP's complaint.

It's real easy for people to make statements on the net where they know there not accountable.
 
bigmark408 said:
When i got online this morning, i had a weird email from a MOD...long story short because the OP had posted on my ZT thread on the 24th....2 people in this thread assumed i was the seller.

I am known for fast shipping but unless i used Millenium Falcons or had santa himself deliver, this was impossible.

People need to settle down....IMO, accusing people falsely is worse than the OP's complaint.

It's real easy for people to make statements on the net where they know there not accountable.
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I sent mark a link to this thread and apologised when he said it wasnt him.
And i publically apologise now. I'm sorry for thinking it was you, mark.
Easy mistake to make since the OP's "find all posts" only shows his offer to buy yours, in reference to a ZT MUDD.

I'm beginning to think this transaction didnt even take place on bladeforums.

This is one of the reasons why it is important to include the sellers name in threads like this. If you are unhappy enough to post a thread about your transaction, then you are unhappy enough to include all the information necessary to avoid others being put in a similar situation.
 
Karda said:
I sent mark a link to this thread and apologised when he said it wasnt him.
And i publically apologise now. I'm sorry for thinking it was you, mark.
Easy mistake to make since the OP's "find all posts" only shows his offer to buy yours, in reference to a ZT MUDD.

I'm beginning to think this transaction didnt even take place on bladeforums.

This is one of the reasons why it is important to include the sellers name in threads like this. If you are unhappy enough to post a thread about your transaction, then you are unhappy enough to include all the information necessary to avoid others being put in a similar situation.
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It most certainly did occur on BF. I've got the screenshot of the original thread the seller posted on the exchange forum.

I'm surprised I'd be criticized for refraining to reveal the seller's username before he's really had an opportunity to take responsibility. Again, I don't believe he was purposefully trying to screw me over here, only that he was negligent.
 
Bryan J said:
It most certainly did occur on BF. I've got the screenshot of the original thread the seller posted on the exchange forum.

I'm surprised I'd be criticized for refraining to reveal the seller's username before he's really had an opportunity to take responsibility. Again, I don't believe he was purposefully trying to screw me over here, only that he was negligent.
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Wether he was trying purposefully to screw you over or not, or was just negligent is immaterial. The seller misrepresented his item for sale and then shipped using substandard practices. Those two facts alone warrant information enough to protect the community from falling victim to similar practices from this member. Perhaps it would be a good idea to forward a link to this thread to the member in question, so that he may chime in and explain himself?
 
Bryan J said:
It most certainly did occur on BF. I've got the screenshot of the original thread the seller posted on the exchange forum.

I'm surprised I'd be criticized for refraining to reveal the seller's username before he's really had an opportunity to take responsibility. Again, I don't believe he was purposefully trying to screw me over here, only that he was negligent.
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I don't think you have anything to apologize for Bryan but I do. I am the one that looked back at your posts and put 2 and 2 together and got 5. I made a mistake and got it wrong.

Mark as I said in my email to you, I am sorry that I insinuated that the sale thread was yours. I did not mean to impugn your honor in anyway. I got it wrong and should have refrained from posting what I did.

Karda I owe you an apology as well. If I had not posted what I did, you would have never sent the email and had anything to feel bad for.

Once again Bryan, I sincerely hope you get this worked out to your satisfaction.
 
-- TRANSACTION DISPUTE RESOLVED --

I spoke to the seller today over the phone and am pleased to report that the problem has been resolved to our mutual satisfaction. I'll be receiving a partial refund for the knife and sending it back to Zero Tolerance for repair.

I do need to correct the record on one point regarding my implication that the knife was "sold through BladeForums". In actuality the knife was not posted in any "for sale" forum, but in the "trade" forum. This is where I originally became aware of its existence. From there, I contacted the owner and the ensuing email discussion evolved into a cash sale. So, technically speaking, it was sold over email.

As I've maintained throughout this thread, I believe that the member who sold me the knife is an honest and fair person who unknowingly sold me a damaged knife. Given the chance to do so, he has taken responsibility and acted to make up for his oversight of the knife's condition. His behavior is an example of how we would like members of the BF community to approach these kinds of disputes.

Case closed.
 
Its a good thing the "case is closed"..cause selling outta your trade thread is a NO NO.
Sounds like a good chap, so keeping his name "hush hush" is a good move. Sounds like a deal that happened OFF of BF's anyway..
 
Bryan, I'm very glad this worked out for the best. :thumbup:

Having said that, you should consider editing your post. What you are admitting to is a bannable offense on Bladeforums. At the best, it's flaunting the fact that you disregarded the posted rules of the exchange forum.
 
Liveitloud said:
To me NIB in pretty clear but I see your point in other interpretations of what {insert description here} is. Maybe a sticky thread with exactly what the expectations are for....

NIB
LNIB
Mint
Lightly used
used
beat to death :)

That would (hopefully) take the guess work and interpretation out of the mix.
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Great post. We all need to adhere to a coherent grading system. Maybe the OP would have paid the same amount for a lightly used knife but of course the OP should have been made aware of the fact that it was slightly used before making that decision.

Seems like more and more sellers are misrepresenting their wares here lately.
 
The knife was not sold through the trade forums and no exchange forum rules were disregarded. The knife was listed by the owner in the trade forums for trade (not for sale). I contacted the owner of the knife via email and later offered to buy the knife outright. I didn't mean to imply that the owner was trying to sell the knife on the trade forum.
 
Bryan J said:
-- TRANSACTION DISPUTE RESOLVED --

I spoke to the seller today over the phone and am pleased to report that the problem has been resolved to our mutual satisfaction. I'll be receiving a partial refund for the knife and sending it back to Zero Tolerance for repair.

I do need to correct the record on one point regarding my implication that the knife was "sold through BladeForums". In actuality the knife was not posted in any "for sale" forum, but in the "trade" forum. This is where I originally became aware of its existence. From there, I contacted the owner and the ensuing email discussion evolved into a cash sale. So, technically speaking, it was sold over email.

As I've maintained throughout this thread, I believe that the member who sold me the knife is an honest and fair person who unknowingly sold me a damaged knife. Given the chance to do so, he has taken responsibility and acted to make up for his oversight of the knife's condition. His behavior is an example of how we would like members of the BF community to approach these kinds of disputes.

Case closed.
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Bryan J said:
It most certainly did occur on BF. I've got the screenshot of the original thread the seller posted on the exchange forum.
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Glad it worked out for you, but my previous assumtion that this transaction didn't happen on BFC was correct.
 
Bryan J said:
The knife was not sold through the trade forums and no exchange forum rules were disregarded. The knife was listed by the owner in the trade forums for trade (not for sale). I contacted the owner of the knife via email and later offered to buy the knife outright. I didn't mean to imply that the owner was trying to sell the knife on the trade forum.
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Unless the person who sold you the knife is a Gold or Platinum member, then yes, it is still a violation of the rules. Making a buy offer via e-mail on an item listed in the Trade Forum is still not allowed. Taking the sale to e-mail is just trying to circumvent the rules. It happens all the time, I'm sure, but most people just don't come here and post that they did it. And, there's a reason they do not. But, you don't have to believe me or the other members who have said as much.
 
EMT_Lee said:
Unless the person who sold you the knife is a Gold or Platinum member, then yes, it is still a violation of the rules. Making a buy offer via e-mail on an item listed in the Trade Forum is still not allowed. Taking the sale to e-mail is just trying to circumvent the rules. It happens all the time, I'm sure, but most people just don't come here and post that they did it. And, there's a reason they do not. But, you don't have to believe me or the other members who have said as much.
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I just reread the Rules for Exchange Forums and I cannot find anything to back up your claim. Could you please quote the section you are referencing here?
 
Bryan J said:
I just reread the Rules for Exchange Forums and I cannot find anything to back up your claim. Could you please quote the section you are referencing here?
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This is what i found.

"This forum has been provided to provide you with a place to trade your items free of charge. People abusing this forum, attempting to sell knives or "get over" will be banned from the forums.

Thank you for your support,

Kevin "
 
EMT_Lee said:
Unless the person who sold you the knife is a Gold or Platinum member, then yes, it is still a violation of the rules. Making a buy offer via e-mail on an item listed in the Trade Forum is still not allowed. Taking the sale to e-mail is just trying to circumvent the rules. It happens all the time, I'm sure, but most people just don't come here and post that they did it. And, there's a reason they do not. But, you don't have to believe me or the other members who have said as much.
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This guy brought W&C into the GBU....i thought such was against the "rules"

"That has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, it was just a thinly-veiled insult at another member. Sorry you got ran out of W&C, but trolling in this subforum isn't cool."

I guess it's OK for him to break the "Rules".
 
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