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We don't have to respect each other's opinions.
We just have to accept the right of each other to have them (no matter how wrong they may be).
I guess that'll work too
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I guess that'll work too
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With all due respect, isn't it kind of a holier-than-though attitude to post up in a thread and make a statement like this?
I mean, I agree that there are some lousy attitudes, but it is pretty bold (dare I say, "elitist"?) to post up and call everyone out on it
Just jokes, man. Have a nice day
Perhaps, but if I'm being an elitist, it's about attitudes, not knives.
But yeah, fair enough. =P
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I have not intended to be smug about anything , I do apologise for coming across that way in my text .
I did ask to see what made these knives that cost so much better . I did ask for the experience people based their advice on . Its good to know if they are actually passing advice or recycling 2nd hand hearsay . Im more willing to listen to a guy who can truthfully say " this happened to me" than a guy who says "well a friend of a friend read this once and says "
I did ask to see what these high end knives do that makes them so impressive , against low end gear like I have , that its unimpressive . If it was good as the OP seemed to think it , Id gladly upgrade . I do also like to know what people base their free advice on . I will gladly take advice that is based on more than assumptions and recycled hearsay , but Ill be a bit careful otherwise to find this out tho , I found asking usually works .
Again I do apologise if this has made me read as smug in the text I wrote . It was not intended .
I go by the TSA outlet once in a while to go through the buckets of confiscated knives- can't complain about getting a Kershaw Leek for a dollar even if it needs a little cleaning- and what strikes me is the number of flashy Chinese made knives that are literally falling apart as they sit there. Scales falling off, springs broken so they don't stay closed, etc. Somebody was carrying these as EDCs up to the point they got confiscated at the airport, tossed in a bucket, and sent to the outlet.
The Chinese are perfectly capable of making a good knife- I have a few- but Taylor Brands obviously doesn't care. If they fall apart that readily, why would I take the chance on carrying one wondering if it will still be in one piece at the end of the day?
The Chinese are perfectly capable of making a good knife- I have a few- but Taylor Brands obviously doesn't care. If they fall apart that readily, why would I take the chance on carrying one wondering if it will still be in one piece at the end of the day?
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The kid at the show will learn that the box of knives he bought at the gun show, that were about two or three bucks a piece, are junk. Whether he decides to buy better knives is up to him. I got my education the hard way, by buying junk, and then progressively better knives. If someone takes it as a slight that they're Falcon/Frost/United Cutlery/knockoff is junk, they just have to get over it. If you come off as condescending, in regards to their Gerber or S&W, I think they have a right to get perturbed.
I have been in trade situations with acquaintances at gun shows, and have put up good knives (a small Sebenza once) in trade. It was used, but it was the worst knife ever made as far as the other party was concerned, although they were happy to get it, and I came out okay in the trade. Later on, I saw it on their table, and they said it was the best knife ever made, and worth more than XYZ I had for trade (custom fixed blade). A lot of knife talk can be bs.
A buddy of mine went nuts on the Frost channel, and for what he could have spent on many nice production knives, even more than a few good custom knives, he spent on cases and cases of junk. Some, like Case corelon models, weren't bad. Others were junk that fell apart on him right away. However, he was happy about his purchases, and very proud of himself for "getting a great deal". Trying to steer him in the right direction, when I should have shut up, I told him that that stuff wouldn't last, and he should buy some quality Case knives, at least. I had given him a Kabar, Spyderco and several other good knives. He obviously felt I was being rude to him, especially after he had given me some Frost folders as gifts. He stated that my knives were well made, but the Frost XYZ was better.
You don't want to berate good friends or family about the quality of their knives. If they're happy with it, let them go on. I just give away good knives to people I am close to.
Truthfully, with all of the high end production and custom knives in my collection, I would get by fine with a SAK, Mora and Estwing hatchet.
I have been in trade situations with acquaintances at gun shows, and have put up good knives (a small Sebenza once) in trade. It was used, but it was the worst knife ever made as far as the other party was concerned, although they were happy to get it, and I came out okay in the trade. Later on, I saw it on their table, and they said it was the best knife ever made, and worth more than XYZ I had for trade (custom fixed blade). A lot of knife talk can be bs.
A buddy of mine went nuts on the Frost channel, and for what he could have spent on many nice production knives, even more than a few good custom knives, he spent on cases and cases of junk. Some, like Case corelon models, weren't bad. Others were junk that fell apart on him right away. However, he was happy about his purchases, and very proud of himself for "getting a great deal". Trying to steer him in the right direction, when I should have shut up, I told him that that stuff wouldn't last, and he should buy some quality Case knives, at least. I had given him a Kabar, Spyderco and several other good knives. He obviously felt I was being rude to him, especially after he had given me some Frost folders as gifts. He stated that my knives were well made, but the Frost XYZ was better.
You don't want to berate good friends or family about the quality of their knives. If they're happy with it, let them go on. I just give away good knives to people I am close to.
Truthfully, with all of the high end production and custom knives in my collection, I would get by fine with a SAK, Mora and Estwing hatchet.
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I'm just glad when I find somebody responsibly carrying a knife. I do my best to try and point out the good and bad of knives I see in an even tone, more instructional than berating. Yesterday in HMV I saw a knife clipped to the cashiers pocket. When asked about it ge admitted it was a knife he put together from 2 others ge had. Admitted it doesn't fit properly together but works. I commended him on his ingenuity and actually appreciate the pride he felt with his unique, functional yet garbage folder. It does what he needs it to, and gives him a sense of accomplishment. All I can hope for.
As far as judging a knife without using it, don't be so fast to write off something as junk. My wife has carried a $1 liner lock on and off for about 6 years now. Cheap steel that takes an edge, linerlock that hasn't failed, and blue plastic handles. She took about 5 minutes picking the specific one out and it has proven to me how poorly ore snobbery comes off. I was unsure about the knife, and am really glad I didn't berate her like it seems so many on here would do.
Plus I doubt there are many of us that have not ever bought a poor knife- even ones with good brand names on them. I liken it to watching So You Think You Can Dance- I'm not formally trained, heck I couldn't even walk when I started watching the shows. But I know what I like, and know what I dislike. Sometimes I am on the same page as the judges, sometimes our opinions differ. Just because they know more about the technical side of dance does not mean my opinion is worth less to me. The same can be said about knives: Just because I have higher standards and much more technical knowledge does not mean that I can invalidate somebodies opinion of their knife- if it does everything expected of it then it is a good knife- regardless of make or materials.
As far as judging a knife without using it, don't be so fast to write off something as junk. My wife has carried a $1 liner lock on and off for about 6 years now. Cheap steel that takes an edge, linerlock that hasn't failed, and blue plastic handles. She took about 5 minutes picking the specific one out and it has proven to me how poorly ore snobbery comes off. I was unsure about the knife, and am really glad I didn't berate her like it seems so many on here would do.
Plus I doubt there are many of us that have not ever bought a poor knife- even ones with good brand names on them. I liken it to watching So You Think You Can Dance- I'm not formally trained, heck I couldn't even walk when I started watching the shows. But I know what I like, and know what I dislike. Sometimes I am on the same page as the judges, sometimes our opinions differ. Just because they know more about the technical side of dance does not mean my opinion is worth less to me. The same can be said about knives: Just because I have higher standards and much more technical knowledge does not mean that I can invalidate somebodies opinion of their knife- if it does everything expected of it then it is a good knife- regardless of make or materials.
Ignorant and bumptious knife know-nothings used to bother me with their accusing questions.
Now I just wearily look at them (ignoring their profoundly ignorant questions) and ask, "would you even know a quality knife if you saw one?" as they see my Sebenza.
Damn few EVER say "yes."
Now I just wearily look at them (ignoring their profoundly ignorant questions) and ask, "would you even know a quality knife if you saw one?" as they see my Sebenza.
Damn few EVER say "yes."
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I've seen more no name corn knives that have been used for over a generation still working well than I have any fancy knives.
I dont insult anyones knife as long as they use it, have it on them, and keep it sharp. even a 500 dollar custom isnt worth anything with a crappy edge which wont cut paper or has an edge which keeps folding because of an improper heat treatment!