Unloading a Little Giant

My 25 is bolted to a 4" stack of plywood, which is bolted to the floor and it works OK. My old 25 in my old shop was bolted to a concrete foundation, it hit harder and moved hot steel much more efficiently. I don't use the 25 much, so haven't poured a foundation yet, but will one day.

When I got my old 100 lb LG years ago, it was bolted to a large 1" thick steel plate and I set it on the dirt floor of the forge area. It worked OK, but when I bolted it to it's new foundation, it came alive :eek::cool:

For best results, bolt your power hammer to a mass of reinforced concrete that weighs more than the hammer.
 
Don Hanson III said:
My 25 is bolted to a 4" stack of plywood, which is bolted to the floor and it works OK. My old 25 in my old shop was bolted to a concrete foundation, it hit harder and moved hot steel much more efficiently. I don't use the 25 much, so haven't poured a foundation yet, but will one day.

When I got my old 100 lb LG years ago, it was bolted to a large 1" thick steel plate and I set it on the dirt floor of the forge area. It worked OK, but when I bolted it to it's new foundation, it came alive :eek::cool:

For best results, bolt your power hammer to a mass of reinforced concrete that weighs more than the hammer.
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Don can you lend me you older 100# for a month just to see what you're mean. I'll give it back...really :)
 
I'm like Don on foundations. Bolt it to concrete if possible. Preferably the same weight as the hammer or a little more. But then again I've seen 25's like Don's (Mine is set up the same way on 4X4s) and attached to 3/4" steel plate do some amazing things. Every year at the Rebuild course in Nebraska City for Little Giants we run the rebuilt hammer not attached to anything. It does get kind of fun chasing it though.

Dave from Diller
 
It is a good question why I went and dug the footing:thumbup:. There are many reasons.
Top of the list is,
To get the most out of the hammer I can within reason.
A 25lb hammer acting like a 15lb or 20lb hammer is not worth my investment into the tool.
A side note is my floor in the garage is cracked in many places. My wife says when I work with my 4.5lb hammer and 260lb anvil I shake stuff on the mantle. I should have her glue the pictures down:D.
The next reason is to do any job or knife right may mean to tackle areas that may seam like overkill. That's why I chose to learn to solder my guards on and not glue them. Both soldered or glued will work but I was taught by a MS to solder.
I have other reasons some have to do with my personal likes and dislikes.
But how ever a person decides to tackle a project, thought should go into the end goal.
PS. My Wife and I Even considered moving to a new house in the country with a 3 car garage and a loft.
 
Dave,

Excellent reply.

I think I'd still glue the pictures to the mantle. I'm positive that hammer will do all you want it to and more.

Dave from Diller
 
loussharp1 said:
It is a good question why I went and dug the footing:thumbup:. There are many reasons.
Top of the list is,
To get the most out of the hammer I can within reason.
A 25lb hammer acting like a 15lb or 20lb hammer is not worth my investment into the tool.
A side note is my floor in the garage is cracked in many places. My wife says when I work with my 4.5lb hammer and 260lb anvil I shake stuff on the mantle. I should have her glue the pictures down:D.
The next reason is to do any job or knife right may mean to tackle areas that may seam like overkill. That's why I chose to learn to solder my guards on and not glue them. Both soldered or glued will work but I was taught by a MS to solder.
I have other reasons some have to do with my personal likes and dislikes.
But how ever a person decides to tackle a project, thought should go into the end goal.
PS. My Wife and I Even considered moving to a new house in the country with a 3 car garage and a loft.
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As you know I wasn't doubting you and actually you answered the question very well. I definately would do as you are if my concrete already had damage. I'm walking a fine line just buying this machine and my wife (great wife) has no clue that I hope to get a 100# within a couple of years.
I do really enjoy your post and I absolutely love your sense of humor (the pit photos). I hope to meet you some day.
"when I work with my 4.5lb hammer and 260lb anvil I shake stuff on the mantle." Funny thing though....when I strike with my 4-5 pound hammers no one even knows I'm working. I think I better start lifting weights.
 
Don Hanson III said:
Man, you're a lot closer to Bill Burke and he has a 100 LG like mine :cool:
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I still have to visit Bill but I'll let him know you said I could have his 100# hammer. I think that's what you meant wasn't it?
BTW Don love you work...of course but I really like what you're doing with those hammers. I can't wait to see pics of the 25 placed next to the older siblings. I would actually love a screensaver of an image like that.
Dean
 
deloid said:
i still have to visit bill but i'll let him know you said i could have his 100# hammer. I think that's what you meant wasn't it?
Btw don love you work...of course but i really like what you're doing with those hammers. I can't wait to see pics of the 25 placed next to the older siblings. I would actually love a screensaver of an image like that.
Dean
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Bill Burke said:
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You know Bill, Ive thought about going at that thing with a wire brush every time i am up there....how long has it been there???
 
Well the LG is up and running.
What I expected happened. Learning to run it was made substantially easier by learning and practicing forging blades by hand for a few years.
The noise factor to the neighbors is manageable for now. What caught me by surprise is if you are in the room next to the garage the floor has a heavy vibration and you can't talk or be understood. I will be sound proofing the wall between the garage and the house and forging when nobody is home. The footing under the LG is 20" thick so the floor vibrating right now I don"t see any solution :confused:

Some day when I move I will get a separate building to forge in and the new owners of my house will wonder why there is a concrete block with Little Giant written in the concrete.:D



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Dave,

The noise in the next room just means it's hitting hard. Glad to see you got it up and running. Man that's a good looking hammer.

Have fun.

Dave from Diller
 
If you still have access to the concrete saw, you might consider
separating the hammer base from the rest of the garage floor.
The existing floor is probably acting as a large resonator and
shaking the whole durn house.

Just an idea.

Bill
 
Looks good, man!!!

I left a 1/2"+ space between my base and the floor, and caulked it. Is your base touching the floor? If so, do like Bill said, and run a concrete saw around it.

My new 140lb LG is isolated but still rattles the whole shop.
 
Bill Hoffman said:
If you still have access to the concrete saw, you might consider
separating the hammer base from the rest of the garage floor.
The existing floor is probably acting as a large resonator and
shaking the whole durn house.

Just an idea.

Bill
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First time poster here.

To follow Bills suggestion a bit further, and I agree isolate its pad from the other structure if you can. Sand can be of good use in this matter.

I have worked in quite a few recording studios throughout my life. The major studio's all have separate foundations. In fact a studio with 2 rooms might have separate foundation for each room, where they do not touch each other at all. The purpose of this it to keep noise transmission/resonating down. Also all the framing is isolated as well.

When or if you sound proof your shop. Mass is what matters. Hang multiple layers of sheet rock on resilient channel. Seal up all the holes with a soundproof caulk, Look at acoustical clay to help seal up a/c outlets, cables runs etc... Sound and vibration will find its least path of resistance.

Michael
 
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