Discussion in 'Tech Support, General Q&A, Site Feedback & More' started by Boru13, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. bbk357

    bbk357 Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 12, 2018

    Please don’t liken me to a person who is on rep forums... that was low blow.
    The majority of my forum experience has been with watch forums and USN. And yes “net” payment is practiced on most forums I participate in.

    I don’t find it dishonest at all. It’s pretty upfront, the fact that it’s in the listing.

    Look, I don’t care- I posted on this thread for further clarification. Then I got jumped on. I’ll be changing my sales post as it doesn’t bother me. The only thing that is bothersome is how a different opinion has really set some of you guys off.
  2. madcap_magician

    madcap_magician Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    No offense was intended, I apologize.
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  3. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    Your going to find it to your benefit since it does bother some-thus more potential buyers. Never good to anger part of your market
    Not trying to jump on you but here are some of the problems people had with it.
    1. against PP policy-seller suppose to pay the fees
    2. some use it to push buyers to F&F to avoid the fees
    3. some feel the seller is just lazy -not my favorite, but some feel strongly
    4 it is a bit of a marketing trick for those math weak $99 +3 % sounds better than $101.97
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  4. swimmerdude1127


    Mar 26, 2007
    I have not been checking the rules before every single sales post I have done, therefore I missed the new rule on posts done today. I have since revised any sales thread that was started after the rule - no ill intentions trying to "beat" the new rule.

    -Edited the rest of my post because I just sound like a whiney b!tch
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2019
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  5. benchwarmer380

    benchwarmer380 Valyrian Member Platinum Member

    Sep 17, 2012

    I agree to a degree.

    I have spoken against adding this rule in the past. Not because I agree or like NET prices or +% threads, but because I likened it with F&F sellers whom i do not want to do business with and those two methods of listing a price are usually a round about way to encourage a F&F price. I preferred to see that big sign that says to hit the back button right from go. What I've set in bold is also key as we are responsible for what we do.

    Now, I don't think that the new rule is silly, micro managing, nor does it dictate how transactions should go. Previously, you had folks requesting the buyer add PP fees and quite often the seller would pick a random percent that did not represent the actual fee. You also had people stating a NET price when they quite often did not know what NET means. For example, you would quite commonly see "NET shipped". That is just stupid and you are not netting your listed price if you're including shipping. Duh. I feel that the new rule creates a uniform standard so that the purchaser can either know what exactly they're paying or have a baseline to negotiate from, instead of first figuring out what the heck the sellers means and then going from there.

    I wouldn't have voted for this new rule, but I am not dissatisfied at it and hope it makes the Exchange a better place to use.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2019
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  6. DallasSTB

    DallasSTB Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 18, 2009
    I’m probably on those same forums too, and my opinion doesn’t change. I believe it’s bs because #1 - it artificially presents the price of an item and masks the true cost to the buyer, and #2 - it says that the seller is effectively washing his hands of the item once it’s dropped off for shipping. I don’t agree with that mindset. In the end the buyer and seller can agree to swap bananas if they want, but this sets a clear standard for advertising and support on this exchange. I like that.
  7. stonesell

    stonesell Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 20, 2009
    This is exactly true, and I believe that the main reason many sellers solicit for F&F is to be able to avoid any responsibility if the package is lost or damaged. They fancy holding all of the Aces, and leaving the buyer to suffer any loss without a recourse.
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  8. Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker

    Feb 28, 2011
    I'm honestly not trying to pick a fight, but it sure didn't look like you got jumped on for your question, you quoted someone and seemed offended or argumentative about the fact that they referred to the 'net' practice as BS, that's when you got pushback.

    Frankly, it reads to me like you unintentionally did something that a lot of folks here strongly dislike. Doesn't mean you're a scammer or bad person. However, I strongly recommend you take this thread and the comments as useful feedback and a way to be more successful in the Exchange rather than as a personal attack.
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  9. hhmoore

    hhmoore Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    Just a heads up that the sticky does not appear in the Knifemaker sections of the Exchange. (I noticed because the first ad I opened this morning was "net", and I was going to send him a link)
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  10. dsutton24

    dsutton24 Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 9, 2018
  11. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Apr 25, 2000
    Got it, thanks :thumbsup:
  12. AShearer


    Nov 30, 2016
    Glad to see it! These are common sense rules. Very good!
  13. Scotcha

    Scotcha Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 25, 2013
    This is a very welcome change.

    “Net to me” thingo was just ridiculous.

    Thank you.
  14. Crazor


    Aug 3, 2014
    Paypal fees don't depend on where you send the stuff you are selling. Paypal just takes their share, I think it's the 5% of the total price.
    Also, don't get why people make a big fuss about the shipping costs. From europe to the US is just 10$ more, and that is priority shipment. :)
  15. PirateSeulb


    Jun 6, 2017
    I only recently listed and sold an item and I priced it with what I wanted to get in the end + any fees and shipping. I can understand people interested in taking payment via other means as there are plenty of legitimate means to transfer money with varying fees. I would say anyone interested in accepting alternate payments could simply add a line of something to the effect of "Contact for alternate payment options". I don't know the risk level involved with any of these alternates but I know that PP offers a secure transaction for both parties and is widely used and accepted method and so is the default expectation.
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  16. BenchMEDAL


    Mar 17, 2018
    PayPal charges 2.9% + $0.30 of the total when a Buyer is located in the USA and 4.4% + $0.30 when a Buyer is located outside the USA.

    PayPal will still charge that same above fee even if an International Buyer asks to have the item shipped to an address inside the USA.
  17. Mossyhorn

    Mossyhorn Enlightened Rogue Gold Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    I just did a price quote on the USPS website for a medium flat rate box to Lichtenstein. The cost was $77.80.
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  18. hhmoore

    hhmoore Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    Even if the buyer is in the States, if their (bank) account on record is elsewhere, the higher fee is charged.
  19. BenchMEDAL


    Mar 17, 2018
    Yup. That’s what I meant to say, Buyer’s Bank Account.
    It has happened to me.
  20. RayseM

    RayseM Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 18, 2010
    PP also "makes money" on currency conversion. I don't begrudge PP making $$s they have provide me with an excellent service and buy/sell options. I don't want to imagine the aggravation and the costs without PP. :rolleyes:

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