Attention UPDATED EXCHANGE RULES

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craytab said:
That is a dick move. You are essentially dictating how you want a sellers ad to read, removing the choice of the seller to leave the price or not. As it says in the rules, it is the sellers choice. As it says in the rules, it is the sellers choice. Do that in my sales thread not only will you not get the item. I will ask a mod to remove the price you selfishly quoted.
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Based your response above, I do not think that we will ever do business together. So, you need not worry about my posting anything in an ad of yours.

However, I really do not understand why it's necessary to remove the initial offering price from an ad after the knife is sold. So, perhaps you can explain to me (and others) why you (and some other sellers) think it is necessary to do this.

Exactly why does the original selling price in your ad need to be kept secret after it is sold?
 
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sgt1372 said:
Based your response above, I do think think that we will ever do business together. So, you need not worry about my posting anything in an ad that you post.

However, I really do not understand why it's necessary to remove the initial offering price from an ad after the knife being offered for sale is sold. So, perhaps you can explain to me (and others) why you (and some other sellers) think it is necessary to do this.

Exactly why does the selling price need to be kept secret?
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I agree, how is it a dick move to quote the already stated price? Keeping prices up for reference purposes isnt a big deal and doesnt negatively affect anyone in anyway.

Not to derail the thread. Pure curiosity.
 
Boru13 said:
The Exchange rules have been updated/modified to the following:

SECTION 2 - Rules/Procedures for Selling, Buying, Trading, & Offering Services:
The implementation of common sense is strongly encouraged beyond this point. This applies directly to the persons involved in the transactions.

Sellers/Selling -
  1. Be 100% sure that you want to sell the item, have it in your possession and clearly list the TOTAL selling price.
    • There is no "testing the waters" or "gauge buyer interest".
    • "Net to me" needs to be figured into your LISTED PRICE
    • Insurance is the responsibility of the SELLER not the Buyer. This is for your protection.
    • Paypal "friends & family" is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED. This is for your protection.

In plain English, there will be no more "net to me" sales or add 3.5%, 4%, or 30% PayPal fees :rolleyes:... sellers need to do their own math and list a TOTAL selling price shipped.

Insurance is the responsibility of the SELLER, NOT THE BUYER.

If buyers use PayPal and pay with "friends & family" and you do not receive what you paid for, do not come crying to the Mod staff on Bladeforums... you're on your own.
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Thank you, so tired of sellers inflating the PAYPAL fees and having to do the math.
Long over due .
 
This was a great move by the Mods to streamline the ads.

However, this will only stop you from having to do math. This won’t stop a seller from inflating their fees and just putting it as a higher total price.
 
allhatnocattle said:
This was a great move by the Mods to streamline the ads.

However, this will only stop you from having to do math. This won’t stop a seller from inflating their fees and just putting it as a higher total price.
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If the for sale price is too high, the seller will eventually have to lower it to make the sale. Things will sell for what the market will bear, and this won't change a thing. That is, unless someone is the type of person who thinks they're getting such a great deal when something is selling for $99.99 instead of $100... People honestly make such a big fuss over a measly $5-$10 sometimes, it's stupid. :rolleyes:
 
sgt1372 said:
Sounds great!

As solely a buyer to date on BF, I'd also like to offer an additional suggestion.

It would be nice if sellers would NOT delete the initial asking price from their ads by deleting the price and inserting SPF or SOLD instead. Not every seller does this but many do and I'm not sure why this is done at all.

It would be useful to retain the asking prices in the ads to provide a history of the sale prices of the knives sold. You can see what knives have been previously sold for on EB and this information provides a basis for determining whether the asking price there is reasonable and would be equally useful on BF for the same reason.

FWIW, I have taken to saying "I'll take it for $xxx" when I buy a knife so that others will know how much it sold for. I've seen other buyers do this as well and it is helpful for the reason mentioned above but would be unnecessary if sellers would just leave their asking prices in place when the knife is sold.

A simple SOLD notice is sufficient to avoid further comment if the thread is not otherwise close to further comment.
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Hey Marty,

I always have removed the price because that was how it was done on my first handful of purchases. I figured it was done to prevent people from thinking they could still buy something that was already sold. E.I. If there's a price there, it's for sale.

Many people don't actually read the entire ad and will hastily post or send PMs if they see something they're after with a decent price.

With that being said, I will change the way I do it from now on. I typically post my price (always including paypal fees, insurance and shipping) in bolded red and then update the SPF or SOLD in that font. On future deals, I will continue to do that but I will also put the sold for or asking price (in the case of a multiple knives package) in italics for future reference.

I think the package deals is where it gets complicated as if I have 2 knives posted, one for $150 and one for $250, and I let them go to one buyer for $375 because it saves me having to mail 2 separate packages, what was the "selling price" or "value" of those knives?

People have contacted me in the past and I've contacted others regarding knives sold and everyone has been very open regarding prices so that is always a viable option.

Sorry mods if this is off topic.

Chris
 
SpyderPhreak said:
If the for sale price is too high, the seller will eventually have to lower it to make the sale. Things will sell for what the market will bear, and this won't change a thing. That is, unless someone is the type of person who thinks they're getting such a great deal when something is selling for $99.99 instead of $100... People honestly make such a big fuss over a measly $5-$10 sometimes, it's stupid. :rolleyes:
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I agree wholeheartedly, although I used to quibble over those measly $5-10, I have matured in my time here at BF. When I first started buying and selling on here, I thought every penny counted because I didn't want to "lose money". Lol When I look at the five figures I've spent on the exchange in the last 6 months, I realize that I've "lost" a lot of money. :D:D:D But I've gained some awesome steel and friends along the way.

Now. I just look at it as a place to hang with knife-lovers and get my hands on the best knives in the world at a discount or without all the waiting with regards to those knives that fetch a premium. If it's something I want at a decent price, I buy it. If the seller has more than one knife I want to check out, I ask for a package price but I generally pay what they are asking unless I feel that it's highly overvalued in which case I just move on. There will always be more deals. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Thanks to Sparks and the mods for putting this place together!
 
This is long overdue and most welcome. I have always conducted business on the forum with these same principles. In fact, I have intentionally avoided sellers using these tactics, even if it was a knife that I really wanted. It pained me to see so many attempting to make the costs of their sale the buyer's responsibility without including it in the price. Thank you Spark and thank you mods for enforcing fair and equitable rules on this forum!
 
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WatermanChris said:
Hey Marty,

I always have removed the price because that was how it was done on my first handful of purchases. I figured it was done to prevent people from thinking they could still buy something that was already sold. E.I. If there's a price there, it's for sale.

Many people don't actually read the entire ad and will hastily post or send PMs if they see something they're after with a decent price.

With that being said, I will change the way I do it from now on. I typically post my price (always including paypal fees, insurance and shipping) in bolded red and then update the SPF or SOLD in that font. On future deals, I will continue to do that but I will also put the sold for or asking price (in the case of a multiple knives package) in italics for future reference.

I think the package deals is where it gets complicated as if I have 2 knives posted, one for $150 and one for $250, and I let them go to one buyer for $375 because it saves me having to mail 2 separate packages, what was the "selling price" or "value" of those knives?

People have contacted me in the past and I've contacted others regarding knives sold and everyone has been very open regarding prices so that is always a viable option.

Sorry mods if this is off topic.

Chris
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Fair dues always wondered myself why prices were removed , it would be handy to see older prices to get a rough idea what a knife is making. It wouldn't put me off buying a knife if one was a bit more than another if I really wanted it. Obviously it's the sellers discretion to do as he likes but I don't see the harm in leaving it up.
Just me opinon.
 
sgt1372 said:
Based your response above, I do think think that we will ever do business together. So, you need not worry about my posting anything in an ad that you post.

However, I really do not understand why it's necessary to remove the initial offering price from an ad after the knife being offered for sale is sold. So, perhaps you can explain to me (and others) why you (and some other sellers) think it is necessary to do this.

Exactly why does the selling price need to be kept secret?
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You can search out the many threads where this issue is discussed. I won't derail this thread on great news by beating this dead horse further.

DrRollinstein said:
I agree, how is it a dick move to quote the already stated price? Keeping prices up for reference purposes isnt a big deal and doesnt negatively affect anyone in anyway.

Not to derail the thread. Pure curiosity.
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It is a dick move, and for the very reason I stated. Please read that again.

And you are derailing what should be a great thread with an issue that has been discussed to death. Like I told the other guy, go search out the many many threads that discuss this issue.
 
I have a question how is this going to be enforced ? Just curious because I don't think many folks are even bothering to read the new rules .
 
Great! Thanks for this update. I'd like to think people buy and sell here, instead of using something like eBay, because the forum represents a community of people with shared interests, who for the most part are willing help to each other in enjoying the hobby, thus engendering an appreciable degree of trust in the integrity of the transactions here. The forum benefits from clear, fair exchange rules.
 
LEGION 12 said:
I have a question how is this going to be enforced ? Just curious because I don't think many folks are even bothering to read the new rules .
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Very good question. People generally don't read any rules. Boru13 Boru13 should we be reporting people? That could mean a ton of reports and a lot of work for you folks. I bet overtime it would reduce but still.
 
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