Photos [Updated with BR’s response] Problems with Brand New Bark River Gunny CPM-3V

[22-rimfire]

I suppose if you are selling a Bark River knife here, one would need to say that "It's marked A-2" or whatever.... ...rather than it's A-2.

I am in the process of selling off some of my gun collection. A standard question is "was it shot?" I answer honestly and in many cases for my collector stuff, I wouldn't have considered shooting them, but can't speak for a previous owner. You will just have to look at the condition and decide for yourself.

 

[jimmyd1982]

I hate to admit it, but I agree with you generally on the first point (about "sending them out"). That would be a character flaw from my point of view, all business. But I don't condemn him for it. I don't think he thinks that he is screwing people or customers either. I think MS can be a bit snotty with people.

Sal G enjoys a very positive relationship with folks here at BF overall. Where as, if MS had a manufacture's forum, there would likely be a lot of negativity because other than what model is coming out next, it is about problems. I would love to see him correct that.

You might not see it that way but I'm sure there are plenty of people that would. A different steel can tack an extra $100+.
I'd be a bit upset if someone overcharged me $100 for anything.

 

[Quiet]

not me, the names and trash you’re talking about mike Stewart.

My point in the beginning of this is: these threads may be fake. This OP may never be heard from again. They are only created to talk trash about brk.

Introduce exhibit a: you.

These threads may be fake? Really? That's your defense? Alrighty then.

Again, I maintain how odd it is that here, you state: "They are only created to talk trash about brk" when back on page three, you stated:

I don't endorse mike Stewart or BRK and I'll admit, I don't know all the drama involved with them. I also don't care.
[snip]

Maybe I wear a tin foil hat but there is most definitely some type of agenda to continuously discredit and bash BRK. Yet they still sell a ton of great knives.

Take that as you like but pleas don't begin a debate with me, because I won't defend BRK. I'll only point out there is something fishy and nefarious about the dozens of similar threads

So, which is it? You won't defend BRK, and don't care? Or, you DO care, and you've been defending BRK and Mike Stewart for several pages? I'm a tad confused. Help me out?

 

[Quiet]

Anyway, this thread should be winding down now, since the OP is going to get sorted out. I look forward to seeing your commentary the next time someone gets a defective BRK so you can come into and try to crap on their thread, sorry "not defend them" and when you get put in your place, suddenly it's the "BF Mafia coming in with insults". LOL

 

[LukeTheSpook]

Awfully passionate about this debate. It’s almost as if you have an agenda.

I’m not defending brk. I’m calling out the behavior of people on this forum for their behavior of trash talking, name calling, and personal attack’s.

You sir, are the worst bf has to offer. But I’m sure your customer service is great.

 

[bikerector]

Why are LT Wright knives ruled out? The one I posted earlier is a great knife in real 3V!

I have a weird fixation on convex edges, but I’ll look into your recommendation in more detail. Thanks, 91bravo.

Edit: Typo

I believe all LT Wright have covex final edges.

LT Wright's shop sharpening video, "we sharpen all of our knives with a convex edge..."

 

[22-rimfire]

You might not see it that way but I'm sure there are plenty of people that would. A different steel can tack an extra $100+.
I'd be a bit upset if someone overcharged me $100 for anything.

I think Bark River squeezes every penny out of his knives he can and more than likely the A-2 ones are over priced and some of the super steels may be under priced or about right on. I can't quantify the difference in cost. His handles essentially cause you to not think too closely in my opinion because many are so nice looking. I know that I don't buy the cheapest handle models with the few I have purchased. That was a price hurdle I had to get over and it took some time to reach this point. I want a knife to be more than "just a knife".

If I wanted "just a knife", I would own every Becker model. They are good knives however. I generally just want something "a little more".

 

[Quiet]

Awfully passionate about this debate. It’s almost as if you have an agenda.

I’m not defending brk. I’m calling out the behavior of people on this forum for their behavior of trash talking, name calling, and personal attack’s.

You sir, are the worst bf has to offer. But I’m sure your customer service is great.

As opposed to your agenda of clearly defending Mike Stewart and BRK, right? Man, some people.

 

[Chris*33]

I doubt it's fraudulent - I just think they work with so many different steels (A2, 3V, M4, CPM-154, Elmax, etc.) that they probably lose track of which billet is which material. The fact that they're likely running the wrong heat treat cycles for the metal they're actually using makes it worse. Still, you'd figure they would notice when grinding...



Carothers would be your best bet, if you can get one, although secondary market prices tend to run high. If you're not in a hurry you'd probably be best off waiting for one of his drops, and hoping you can pick one up there.

LT Wright does good work, as well, in a variety of steels (including 3V), sizes, and grinds.

Cold Steel also has a few 3V blades that'll be half the price of anything you'd get from Bark River or LT Wright.



They'll get back to you when they can - they're good people.

Good point on the heat treat cycles.

 

[jimmyd1982]

Awfully passionate about this debate. It’s almost as if you have an agenda.

I’m not defending brk. I’m calling out the behavior of people on this forum for their behavior of trash talking, name calling, and personal attack’s.

You sir, are the worst bf has to offer. But I’m sure your customer service is great.

Way to take the high road and not resort to personal attacks

 

[bikerector]

Bark River has sold multiple knives that were not made of the steel the customer thought they were buying or heat treated as the wrong steel. That's not a QC issue, that's incompetence or fraud.

Mislabeled product is a classic QC scenario. Look into the number cause for food recalls; mislabeling often to the point of an undeclared allergen.

 

[shinyedges]

Awfully passionate about this debate. It’s almost as if you have an agenda.

I’m not defending brk. I’m calling out the behavior of people on this forum for their behavior of trash talking, name calling, and personal attack’s.

You sir, are the worst bf has to offer. But I’m sure your customer service is great.

Wow. Just wow. Defending bark river has led you to believe there is an "agenda" and a "conspiracy" as well as a "bf mafia" that exists... Oh my goodness. I can't believe you openly post these wild, off the wall accusations and assumptions.

 

[bikerector]

Not to add fuel to the fire... but this is how Sal handles his biz. Thoroughly, hands-on, and constant updates with the community. Class act @Sal Glesser!

I would add several other brands to that list but I think Sal is probably the biggest. Busse is another one that I think earn some of their cost by their hands on "warranty" policy. I say "warranty" because they correct/fix things that are clearly not warranty defects, it's doing things the tools clearly aren't intended for.

My opinion is that there are too many good options to bother with flaky options.

 

[NiceNife]

I would add several other brands to that list but I think Sal is probably the biggest. Busse is another one that I think earn some of their cost by their hands on "warranty" policy. I say "warranty" because they correct/fix things that are clearly not warranty defects, it's doing things the tools clearly aren't intended for.

My opinion is that there are too many good options to bother with flaky options.

Sal as in Spyderco’s Sal? For Busse, I really dislike how there’s a large gap (or finger groove) between the handle and the cutting part of the blade. Does not seem practical to me.

 

[Quiet]

Sal as in Spyderco’s Sal? For Busse, I really dislike how there’s a large gap (or finger groove) between the handle and the cutting part of the blade. Does not seem practical to me.

Hey man, welcome back to your trainwreck of a thread. LOL

Stick around, we're not all like some of the tinfoil folks here. Glad to have you here.

 

[Dadpool]

Sal as in Spyderco’s Sal? For Busse, I really dislike how there’s a large gap (or finger groove) between the handle and the cutting part of the blade. Does not seem practical to me.

There are some no-choil and tiny-choil (sometimes called "fairy choil") Busses out there.

Personally I love the choil on my Steel Heart Ergo 2 because it gives me an extra grip option, turning a relatively long knife into a relatively short knife in my hand, while still preserving the overall length for tasks where that's beneficial. But it's definitely a matter of personal preference.

 

[KingMC]

Sal as in Spyderco’s Sal? For Busse, I really dislike how there’s a large gap (or finger groove) between the handle and the cutting part of the blade. Does not seem practical to me.

Yes, Sal from Spyderco is one of the best in the business. Busse has so many designs I'm sure if you wanted one you'd be able to find one that fits your aesthetics, but you are right many of them have that large gap and I agree it's a bit obnoxious sometimes.

 

[Deinos]

I would add several other brands to that list but I think Sal is probably the biggest. Busse is another one that I think earn some of their cost by their hands on "warranty" policy. I say "warranty" because they correct/fix things that are clearly not warranty defects, it's doing things the tools clearly aren't intended for.

My opinion is that there are too many good options to bother with flaky options.

Sal as in Spyderco’s Sal? For Busse, I really dislike how there’s a large gap (or finger groove) between the handle and the cutting part of the blade. Does not seem practical to me.

Wasn't steering you toward Spyderco as a solution to what knife will meet the needs you stated in the original post. Just saying the example I posted is how I like to see CS and CQ concerns handled, in contrast to stories shared in regards to people's poor CS experiences. Here is a list of their fixed blades though, in case one pops out at you. They do make a bushcraft model.

 

[bikerector]

Sal as in Spyderco’s Sal? For Busse, I really dislike how there’s a large gap (or finger groove) between the handle and the cutting part of the blade. Does not seem practical to me.

Correct, spyderco's Sal Glesser, and his son Erik for that matter.

Not all busse models have choils, same can be said for spyderco models, but both companies do have choils on a lot of their models.

A finger choil is the term for the cutout between the handle and cutting edge for finger placement, generally allowing you to get a forward grip on the knife to put your hand close to the edge for tasks like push cutting/carving wood like making feather sticks and such. I'm not a fan of them on big knives and really only like them as 50/50 choils on smaller folders that allows a larger gripping area in a small package, even if that eats up some of the cutting edge (think spyderco native). They aren't deal breakers on some knives though, depending on the balance, as it is a decent way to make a forward weighted knife more balanced for some finer work. Preference is against them though.

 

[LukeTheSpook]

Hey man, welcome back to your trainwreck of a thread. LOL

Stick around, we're not all like some of the tinfoil folks here. Glad to have you here.

And there it is folks. Personal attacks and even a whine and cheese thread started to attack me. Never fails.