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The point about caches was interesting, never thought about that before. Also very honored to have Don Rearic comment on this thread. Quick question in regards to lock picking gear, wouldn't having a bump key( or keys) be better and also be lower profile? I also have to look into CERT training and is that available in my little corner of the world. Please let's keep this thread going.
 
Thanks for the kinds words.

I think Bump Key Tools (and the method) are interesting but there is a problem. You have to have the keys which means, at a minimum, you are going to have KW1, Y1 and SC1 (keyways and blanks) for the most popular locks by Kwikset, Yale and Schlage, respectfully. Then you have a couple different sizes for Master Lock Co. and American Lock Co. and right on down the line. Then the bump hammer.

I think it would be better to have a modest set of tools along with some Peterson Bypass Tools, Padlock Shims and a couple very well made snap picks. You can't get good pick guns anymore, all of them that I know of are made in China now and I have two people reporting back that they're trash. If you can get an old Majestic Lock Co. Lock-Aid™ Pick Gun, you'd be in like Flynn...or so they say. :)

If a Tom Brown Tracker is a Lock-Aid™ Pick Gun, then the snap pick is a Mora - and that is not a bad thing, either. You can fabricate a snap pick out of steel piano wire, some windshield wiper blades, heavy duty coat hangers and some of the newer, screw off car antennas. With a good hand file, they don't take long to make. With the file found on a Leatherman WAVE and Leatherman Super-Tool, it takes a while as they are not as large - wide and long, nor are they as aggressive as something like a Nicholson Mill Bastard Coarse File.

BUT! It can be done with a Leatherman Tool. Just like you can go into almost any convenience store now and get cheap, pot-metal framed sunglasses and fabricate picks out of them...

I would say that a well-made snap pick is about 75% as effective as a Lock-Aid Pick Gun.
 
Alright, several people commented or emailed me about the bucket cache idea on the previous page. I considered starting a new thread, but this is a really good one and I would like to see it continue on as I feel it could be beneficial to some.

The idea of these bucket caches is to supplement your BOB, EDC, etc or completely replace them. Regardless, it's something that you can place between your work and home, or your work and survival retreat, etc. I used buckets because they are cheap, strong and waterproof, while still being able to open it relatively easily. I've experimented with caching a rifle in pvc tubes, etc. but the tube isn't really reuseable unless you pack sealant, etc. and you need a saw to open it.

When I was stationed in NC I buried a bucket cache on Ft. Bragg that contained basically everything I would need to get started for survival. The idea was basic supplies to get me to the mountains where I could survive longer in unpopulated areas. After that? I don't know, I would have to figure it out, depending on whatever situation forced me to flee.

In that first bucket was: backpack, knife, pocket chainsaw, firestarter kit, signal kit, MREs, hydration bladder, water treatment, trauma kit, tarp and stakes, headlamp and lithium batteries, sportsman's blanket, wool cap, survival book, map, ammo, 550 cord, etc. The idea was basic supplies to get me to the mountains where I could survive longer in unpopulated areas. After that? I don't know, I would have to figure it out, depending on whatever situation forced me to flee.

I then buried another bucket in the Uwharrie Mountains that contained more food, more first aid, more batteries, another knife, etc.

Then I buried another one in the Blue Ridge Mountains in NC (this is a long haul from the Uwharrie's), and another one in the mountains in Kentucky and another in Virginia so that I would have something whether I decided to go north or further west.

These buckets were buried in places that I visited often and knew well so I could check on them and I would have no problems finding them.
 
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In Japan I used a similar plan and I was there during the whole Y2K scare and I wanted to be prepared just in case somebody was actually right about it. I was on the other side of the earth from home and felt I needed something, just in case.

I buried a container in the mountains near where I lived with a backpack, knife, multi-tool, bamboo saw (for shelter building), wood saw, hatchet, firestarter kit, signalling kit, etc. MRE's are hard to find in Japan so I filled up the remaining space with canned goods. The container was buried deep enough and in a tucked away space so that it was kept cool in the summer and below frost line in the winter, to preserve the food. I built it just a few miles from my house with the idea that it would be a quick place to run to if I needed to that was not too far away. I built a primitive shelter there, a cinder block barbecue, stacked a little firewood, etc. and hid it all. But I just wasn't satisfied.

Further up in the mountains where people rarely go (and is rumored to have been an old ninja training area and haunted so people tended to avoid it) I located a cave and built up defenses there. It was only accessible by foot, there was good spring water and it was fairly sheltered from the worst weather. The cave was small (about 20 or so feet deep and a few feet wide) so I hid the entrance from plain sight by transplanting small trees near the entrance and stacking small logs. I built hasty fighting positions near there (I didn't have a gun there, so it was really rather pointless, but it was fun and a learning experience). I buried caches of food, pots, wire for utility and trapping purposes, fishing kit, some basic tools, cinder blocks and grill for cooking, etc. Stacked tons of firewood and located summer and winter food sources (there were abandoned orchards not too far away, bamboo, wild game [tanuki, bear, deer, squirrels, monkeys, birds, etc], a creek with fish and scary giant salamanders, etc.). I dug out the spring and lined it with large rocks to give me more water, I built simple saw horses that could be disassembled easily and look like forest debris, but could be used for building things, a table, etc,. I cut lots of logs and saplings for building things at a later date.

This was my occassional weekend project that lasted for nearly 3 years, even after Y2K didn't materialize. It was a fun and interesting project that kept me busy, gave me a place to escape to and taught me a lot.
 
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I started a cache line going from Utah to Idaho, but kept waffling about which direction to go to avoid people that was near enough to a road that if I had a car I could retrieve my buckets or if I was on foot I could get it without being seen. The open prairie proved to be more difficult to hide things and to find them again in the future.

I buried 3 buckets over a hundred miles, but never completed it.

Now I live on the west coast and have no such system in place, but this thread has got me thinking about it again.
 
Being a complete city boy (working on that)I have to ask, where did you get the buckets from? I like the idea but the most likely scenario for me using them would be a hurricane evac on foot or a bug in and I'm worried about having to clear out a ton of debris and then start digging to get my supplies.
 
I've found plastic buckets to get really brittle after a time outdoors, even without direct sunlight exposure. Or maybe it's jsut especially cheap ones. The ones I use for brewing have lasted for years without incident.

The idea of metal pipe with threads for gun cache is interesting. sealing the threads is easy, and good paint job can prevent rusting. A good length of pipe would be nice for stove setup if I was able to move it to a location where I'd be setting up for a while. Can't really think of an obvious use for 4 feet of 6 or 8 inch PVC that's worth carrying it around. (okay, it can hold water. so can waterbags and canteens)
 
Tengu Joker: You can get the buckets from any hardware store, but Koyote is right in that they get brittle after a while. I doubled bagged everything in them in contractor bags and XL ziplocs to keep them waterproof. In Japan I used containers that were used in soy sauce making and they were thick and heavy duty and lasted without problems.

When I buried things like garden tools I just dug a trench and lined it with a tarp. I coated the tools in vaseline and bagged them up, folded the tarp over them and buried them. Not great, but it worked, plus my goal was more short term there, instead of returning in 15 years, or what have you.

Koyote: good thinking on using a metal pipe and having it do double duty as a stove pipe. We need to get together and put our minds to work, seeing as we live so close.
 
pop an email out from my website anytime. Bit busy for right now, but I'm sure I'll manage once the schedules change.
 
Another quick question, how many people here have made there own lockpick set or where did you buy yours' from? How often do you practice with them?
 
I have a set of basic picks and a set of jiggler keys. I practice whenever I get bored and have the chance. I've had to use them on several occasions before, mostly for other people. :)
 
I have a set of basic picks and a set of jiggler keys. I practice whenever I get bored and have the chance. I've had to use them on several occasions before, mostly for other people. :)
 
I really wonder about the self promoted "experts" that keep making decrees in these type of threads, endorsing behaviors that will increase your personal risk during an emergency, and actively arguing with or insulting anyone who has a different viewpoint. I seriously question advice that puts people at serious risk, while advocating carrying many pounds of tools on the remote chance of needing to breech a fortified building?

Here are a couple of "facts"...not saying right/wrong...just fact.

*A "kit" containing bolt cutters/pry bar/lock pics/etc., carried on your person, or in your vehicle in a time of emergency, or in preparation for an emergency, will be viewed as "burglary tools" by any LEO you happen to come across.

*Possession of "burglary tools" is a felony in every state during normal times. In an emergency with civil authority (LEO/National Guard) dealing with looting/riot/etc. using such a kit very well may get you shot, and at minimum will get you locked up for the duration.

Not the best "survival" strategy for your waiting family if you are indefinitely detained for a felony on the way home with your "survival" kit.

Here are a couple of reality based "opinions" on urban survival...

*Anyone living in tornado/hurricane/earthquake areas (all of us) would be foolish not to have an ax/prybar set/and leather work gloves in their home to aid in getting out of a partially destroyed or flooded house or apartment, (and to aid others once out).

*A 10 ounce mutitool will defeat any chain link fence in the country, if you need to take an urban shortcut in an emergency.

*If you actually need to force entry to a building to gain emergency shelter in a true emergency...I would guess 98% + of the buildings in the US have a glass window somewhere.

*If you have to walk home, (likely in an earthquake affected urban area), it will increase our survival chances if we prepare for "real world" challenges.

*Unimpeded by excess carried weight, it's pretty easy to walk 30 miles in 24hrs safely and with comfort if you have;
/decent footwear
/light rain jacket & gloves
/surefire light
/water
/jerky & cliff bars etc.
/cash
/small AM-FM radio
/multi tool
/personal defense weapon,
/and a good attitude.
 
Don Rearic: I did get your e-mail, haven't really done any looking around but I did bookmark your site and blog. Let me guess the info I'm looking for is on your site?

Sunshine: I understand your point but in the right circumstances, a multi-tool can be considered a burglary tool. But to be honest, my BOB is everything you have listed. I'm looking at a first-aid kit for lite injuries. . .

I keep on seeing cliff bars and jerky. What about trail mix and 5 hour energy shots?
 
Sunshine: I understand your point but in the right circumstances, a multi-tool can be considered a burglary tool. But to be honest, my BOB is everything you have listed. I'm looking at a first-aid kit for lite injuries. . .

I keep on seeing cliff bars and jerky. What about trail mix and 5 hour energy shots?


Good catch...small med kit is needed for sure. Tourniquet, a couple compression bandages, band aids, antiseptic, asprin. I also have a few suture kits from the local vet in mine, pretty basic.

As far as a basic multi-tool being grounds for arrest or detention as burglery tools..I think that would be a real stretch for any sworn officer to go on record with. Not saying it could not happen, just very unlikely, and would never hold up...even in a Cali court. "Reasonable" is still the Rule of Law.

On Cliff Bars, they are just the best of that type of item for me. I tried all the off shelf "bar" type food I could find, and just liked them best. Same with the jerky..I just don't like tuna, or sardines, etc., so that combo works for me. Can of nuts would be good too. For a short term thing, (24-48 hrs), I just want something easy to eat/well packaged off the shelf/and light.

Everyone has different tastes...nothing wrong with a good trail mix.
I know a guy that swears by his home made trail mix and sardines. I wish I liked sardines...a lot of protein in a well packaged/easy to open little can. I just can't stomach them.
I don't drink or know much about energy drinks, they may be just the thing for a 30 mile hike. I do use the little individual gatorade foil packets though.
 
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