Urban E&E skills?

Completely agree. If I were out of shape, no way I would've made it home on crutches during the blackout. No way.

I also advocate traveling as light as possible. Doing most of my travel on foot and public transit here in the City, I learned over the years what's essential and what's dead weight, and how even a few ounces add up to make your life hell after walking for 40 minutes or more.

It's not something many people in suburban environments think about b/c they have cars to throw stuff in. But to MLRS' point -- the moment you are your own pack mule -- every ounce counts.

In terms of "survival gear," I never walk around with anything more than a pocket knife, flashlight, some water and a protein or granola bar. In Big Cities, there are so many sources for things you might need that in the wilderness you'd have to bring with you (cord, fire, nourishment, shelter) that it doesn't pay to carry a lot of this stuff around with you all the time.

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This is were it is different for me. I live on the outskirts of town and most of the plans and routes I have take me right out of the city or skirting the edges of the city. In my case that is why I need a little more gear. If I was in the middle of a big city I would tone the gear down a little but probably not much. My view on that is this. There are alot of things you could get in a big city where you can't in the country. The concern I would have would be being able to get it if I need it. If there is no power I am sure the stores are going to lock the doors. You could just take it, but do you want to be one of those people that are running in a grabbing something with the looters that will be around? Me personaly, I would rather stay away form the groups or individuals that are doing that stuff. My main goal is to get away from whatever to where I am going and to do it as safely as possible so I get to my destination alive. Remember that this is just my opinion. I may be wrong having never lived in a huge city. For me I would just rather have what I need then hope I was able to scavenge it after something happens.


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...If there is no power I am sure the stores are going to lock the doors. You could just take it, but do you want to be one of those people that are running in a grabbing something with the looters that will be around?...

I have some faith in the capitalistic greed of NYC inhabitants. While ATM machines and most cash registers will not work in a power outage, many stores and capitalists will find a way to sell for cash...albeit at inflated prices. Thus the need for cash.

Surprisingly, given the size of the 2003 North East Power Outage, which effected some 55 million people in 8 states and parts of Canada, I witnessed no looting, and a surprising to me a general willingness to help strangers. Maybe some post 9/11 effect?

At the end of the day, hope for the best, and prepare for the worst...
 
Handy fire starter:)

A PDF firestarter? That's an interesting concept. :)

hahah,.. ya I made up the name they call it a public health legal manual, but when you read the forward it explains what they are trying to accomplish. I haven’t gone through the whole thing, and you guys are right that there are some pretty silly and or antiquated rules out there, however I’m happy this city is as least thinking about the implications of potential lawlessness.
 
This is were it is different for me. I live on the outskirts of town and most of the plans and routes I have take me right out of the city or skirting the edges of the city. In my case that is why I need a little more gear. If I was in the middle of a big city I would tone the gear down a little but probably not much. My view on that is this. There are alot of things you could get in a big city where you can't in the country. The concern I would have would be being able to get it if I need it. If there is no power I am sure the stores are going to lock the doors. You could just take it, but do you want to be one of those people that are running in a grabbing something with the looters that will be around? Me personaly, I would rather stay away form the groups or individuals that are doing that stuff. My main goal is to get away from whatever to where I am going and to do it as safely as possible so I get to my destination alive. Remember that this is just my opinion. I may be wrong having never lived in a huge city. For me I would just rather need what I have then hope I was able to scavenge or but it after something happens.


mlrs

I agree with your rationale completely. If I were in your situation and had a vehicle, I'd definitely carry more gear. No question.

In speaking of "traveling light," I was talking in terms of walking around dense urban environments -- either as a resident or visitor -- for the sake of those who might be used to thinking of "survival" mostly from the standpoint of wilderness or rural environments.

You can be nomadic almost indefinitely in the wilderness/country, or even on the outskirts of a town, so having a portable shelter/food/weapon etc makes a lot of sense.

Not in the big city: you need a safe house, or you need to get out. You don't want to be a nomad, exposing yourself on the street; unless that’s part of your escape tactic, in which case traveling light would still be key.

Many businesses did not close their doors during the most recent blackout here, because they saw the opportunity to profit from the situation, and rule of law remained intact. Particularly with stores and restaurants with perishable food, it behooved them to sell as much as possible to diminish their losses. That’s why the restaurant I mentioned visiting in my initial post only had eggs left by the time we got there.

Given these factors: when in or about a big city, my approach/advice is to carry only what you need to get you to a safe house/location, where you keep everything else for long-term survival/evasion.

Or, if you're visiting -- carry a smaller kit with you and leave the bulkier stuff in your hotel room/temporary domicile, for example.

I have everything I need at home to not have to rely on stores and others for at least a couple weeks, I'd say.

That's why I mentioned my goal in a disaster would be to get home ASAP, which is what I did during the blackout. Once home, I have what I need and can assess whether to wait it out or leave.

Another thing: I live in an apartment building, so if my strategy were to wait out a particularly bad disaster, or if i were stuck without the possibility of leaving, one of my first steps would be to get as many neighbors onboard to help with fortifying/planning/preparing the entire building for medium- to long-term survival. That way, we’d be pooling resources and increasing odds of survival.

One of the weakest links here in NYC as far as disaster preparedness is our severe handicap in terms of self defense given the gun and less-lethal weapon laws foisted upon us.

Fortunately, I live two blocks from my local precinct.
 
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I have some faith in the capitalistic greed of NYC inhabitants. While ATM machines and most cash registers will not work in a power outage, many stores and capitalists will find a way to sell for cash...albeit at inflated prices. Thus the need for cash.

Surprisingly, given the size of the 2003 North East Power Outage, which effected some 55 million people in 8 states and parts of Canada, I witnessed no looting, and a surprising to me a general willingness to help strangers. Maybe some post 9/11 effect?

At the end of the day, hope for the best, and prepare for the worst...

I witnessed the same thing -- remarkable camradery among the people and opportunism from local businesses.

I do think the fact that 9/11 was still on many of our minds had to do a lot with making the 2003 blackout a positive experience, instead of a negative one.

Handling some prolonged darkness and uncomfortably hot temperatures was nothing compared to planes flying into buildings.
 
New York City catastrophic event legal manual. Check it out, read or download.

http://www.nycourts.gov/whatsnew/pdf/PublicHealthLegalManual.pdf

A lot of people are trying to access this right now so the link may be a little slow.

That's a really interesting part where they discuss police powers to quarantine and where they cite the two different times Typhoid Mary was quarantined, the last time for years until she died.

Too bad that Typhoid and TB were unpopular diseases with no vocal minority to object to such strenuous measures. :)
 
I witnessed the same thing -- remarkable camradery among the people and opportunism from local businesses.

I do think the fact that 9/11 was still on many of our minds had to do a lot with making the 2003 blackout a positive experience, instead of a negative one.

Handling some prolonged darkness and uncomfortably hot temperatures was nothing compared to planes flying into buildings.

I watched the news after the buildings came down on September 11th and actor Daniel Day Lewis was carrying water for people. Rare sight to see something like that. It's one thing to visit a country that has terrible conditions but you are being well taken care of off camera...Sally Struthers...and quite another to see something like he did.
 
That's a really interesting part where they discuss police powers to quarantine and where they cite the two different times Typhoid Mary was quarantined, the last time for years until she died.

Too bad that Typhoid and TB were unpopular diseases with no vocal minority to object to such strenuous measures. :)

Just downloaded the pdf, but haven't read it yet.

The fact that it's authored by the New York Bar Association says a lot.

Regarding Daniel Day Lewis and other celebs' response to 9/11, I agree it is refreshing to see that sort of behavior.

That was one of the things about 9/11 that in retrospect is interesting to dissect from a social perspective: It took disaster to the doorstep of the rich, famous and powerful.

Disasters and children are the great equalizers, I say. All of the BS we normally care about in daily life is irrelevant when dealing with either.
 
I totally concur with the stupidity of NYS laws.
+1...this is the state where a state legislator proposed banning the use of salt in restaurant cooking, leaving only shakers on the table in restaurants. Yes, you read right, ban salt...in restaurants. The fact that someone would even think that to be a rational thing to propose makes me weep for humanity.
 
I agree with your rationale completely. If I were in your situation and had a vehicle, I'd definitely carry more gear. No question.

In speaking of "traveling light," I was talking in terms of walking around dense urban environments -- either as a resident or visitor -- for the sake of those who might be used to thinking of "survival" mostly from the standpoint of wilderness or rural environments.

You can be nomadic almost indefinitely in the wilderness/country, or even on the outskirts of a town, so having a portable shelter/food/weapon etc makes a lot of sense.

Not in the big city: you need a safe house, or you need to get out. You don't want to be a nomad, exposing yourself on the street; unless that’s part of your escape tactic, in which case traveling light would still be key.

Many businesses did not close their doors during the most recent blackout here, because they saw the opportunity to profit from the situation, and rule of law remained intact. Particularly with stores and restaurants with perishable food, it behooved them to sell as much as possible to diminish their losses. That’s why the restaurant I mentioned visiting in my initial post only had eggs left by the time we got there.

Given these factors: when in or about a big city, my approach/advice is to carry only what you need to get you to a safe house/location, where you keep everything else for long-term survival/evasion.

Or, if you're visiting -- carry a smaller kit with you and leave the bulkier stuff in your hotel room/temporary domicile, for example.

I have everything I need at home to not have to rely on stores and others for at least a couple weeks, I'd say.

That's why I mentioned my goal in a disaster would be to get home ASAP, which is what I did during the blackout. Once home, I have what I need and can assess whether to wait it out or leave.

Another thing: I live in an apartment building, so if my strategy were to wait out a particularly bad disaster, or if i were stuck without the possibility of leaving, one of my first steps would be to get as many neighbors onboard to help with fortifying/planning/preparing the entire building for medium- to long-term survival. That way, we’d be pooling resources and increasing odds of survival.

One of the weakest links here in NYC as far as disaster preparedness is our severe handicap in terms of self defense given the gun and less-lethal weapon laws foisted upon us.

Fortunately, I live two blocks from my local precinct.

I understand what you are saying. Reading and discussing all of this has opened me up as to how different it really is between where I live and living in a big city. If I went 25 or 30 miles north, east, or west I would have traveled thru the city and be in the country. 3 or 4 miles south and I am in the country. It really interests me the differences between the two.


mlrs
 
I totally agree with staying in shape regardless of where you are. I have about 15 miles to go if I had to get from work to home and have done that easily with heavier packs than I currently use. I've noticed that at about the 1/2 way mark the area gets much better so that at least is a plus. Time to get new boots though. :D
 
I live in a medium sized town which is on the outskirts of the state capital, which is where I work. My commute is about 15 miles and could be done easily on foot. My main concern would be getting across a few rivers if bridges were an issue. We have a lot of waterways and water crossings here and they can't be taken for granted in a bad situation. If bridges were not available, I'd need to consider some sort of flotation device and the means to propel it to the other side as most of the rivers are pretty fast moving. I think a good plan is to use something like Google Earth and really evaluate routes, especially where water is a concern.

Other than that, thankfully being in the South, I have a lot of freedoms when it comes to being armed, etc. I park in a secure lot patrolled by law enforcement, my building is secured by the same and badge access only. So getting out of the building and to my vehicle is the easy part and I should be good to go for the rest of the commute.

I am not well prepared for things right now, but would like to build some bugout bags with the basics. Anybody have some good resources for this? Good info!
 
... My main concern would be getting across a few rivers if bridges were an issue. We have a lot of waterways and water crossings here and they can't be taken for granted in a bad situation. If bridges were not available, I'd need to consider some sort of flotation device and the means to propel it to the other side as most of the rivers are pretty fast moving. I think a good plan is to use something like Google Earth and really evaluate routes, especially where water is a concern. ... would like to build some bugout bags with the basics. Anybody have some good resources for this? Good info!

ESEE should have the bags soon I understand. In a worse case scenario, garbage bags could assist non swimmers in a river crossing. It would be risky.

We see a lot of foolish people die on rivers when they misjudge the danger.

A raft built with ESEE knives and paracord would be a great summer project.
 
Though I don't have much new to contribute here, I want to thank those of you who have because I am learning a lot and figuring out better ways to stay prepared.

This is a great thread! I like the backpack EDC idea that doesn't stick out this way you aren't a target for your own belongings. Since I am a college student my backpack is mostly filled with books, but I am beginning to think that carrying a slightly larger bookbag with more pockets would be a good idea, that way I can still carry my laptop, books and school things while having another compartment for gear. :D
 
Though I don't have much new to contribute here, I want to thank those of you who have because I am learning a lot and figuring out better ways to stay prepared.

This is a great thread! I like the backpack EDC idea that doesn't stick out this way you aren't a target for your own belongings. Since I am a college student my backpack is mostly filled with books, but I am beginning to think that carrying a slightly larger bookbag with more pockets would be a good idea, that way I can still carry my laptop, books and school things while having another compartment for gear. :D

Some of these "store brand" or China brand packs seem like good deals. Something like this would double well as a school pack and as a BOB I imagine.
 
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