Venom New Concept - lockbar with secondary lock

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45Wheelgun

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I picked this up recently as I am fascinated with knives that have unique features. While a lockbar which locks in the open position isn't a new idea, I have never seen this type of implementation. Lionsteel's "Rotoblock" solution is manually activated and seems to require two hands to lock or unlock. This lock engages when the knife is opened and disengages with your thumb using the gear shaped wheel - this being accomplished without changing the hold on the knife as you close the blade. After closing the knife twice, it became second nature to do this with one hand and a two step motion.


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The knife itself is extremely well made. S35VN steel, Titanium scales, caged ceramic bearings, stainless steel lockbar insert and over-travel stop. It flips like a Russian Gymnast. Blade is dead center, early lockup and no play in any direction. It arrived shaving sharp. The knife feels great in the hand and no apparent hotspots. In my opinion it could use some jimping behind the blade.


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The machining of the scales is exceptional. I am a big fan of "sun burst" type patterns and this is very well executed. With the pattern starting around the pivot pin extremely tight, the "rays" expanding toward the end of the scales. The Anodizing has an interesting two-tone effect I haven't seen before. With indirect lighting it appears to be green anodizing, but in direct light the edges have a gold/yellow appearance. Not sure how they do that, but I like it. I'm not a fan of proprietary fasteners and this knife does not come with a tool. I will say I like the looks of the fasteners but wish I had a tool. The insides of the scales have hollowed out pockets to reduce weight and have a smooth uniform finish - a nice attention to detail I have seen skipped on other knives.

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Definitely a handsome knife & I like interesting innovations.

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Great looking machining!! Love the color and the blade shape! The innovative locking system is icing on the cake!!
Enjoy that beauty brother!!
Joe
 
Once again, an otherwise great looking knife is ruined by a massive logo and text on the blade.

Also, secondary locks are pretty much a deal breaker for me. All of the secondary locking mechanisms I've experienced have been annoying and gimmicky.

All that being said, the machining on the scales and the anodizing look very good. I just think they should have skipped the two aforementioned things.
 
That's a very handsome blade sir. Congrats. I too like nifty features on knives. Even if they are a bit gimmicky.
 
kniferbro said:
Isn't this basically autoLAWKS in a different location?
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If by "the same" you mean they are both liner/frame lock safeties then yes. The implementation differences are more than location.

The method of deactivation is much simpler and intuitive. You only move the wheel one notch of the gear and push to the left. Two steps but a single motion. I watched the video from CRKT, and the employee made their system look awkward at best.

I think folding knife lock safeties are a solution looking for a problem. Personally I've never seen the need to lock the lock, but this implementation is much more elegant than other solutions.

I totally agree about logos on the blade. This one isn't as bad as some, but I could do without the snake. I really like Rat Worx's solution of putting there company info inside the scales.

Truth might be that it is a really beautiful, well made knife that I didn't really need, and I might have used this feature as
an excuse to justify the purchase - research and development - ya know?

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I cant help but think of the whole “Yo Dawg, I herd you like locks, so I put lock in your lock..." meme thing. :D
 
45Wheelgun said:
Do you have anything of value to discussion?
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I find what he has added quite valuable. Change my impression of the knife entirely from "knife with a gimmicky locking 'system'" to "knife with a gimmicky locking 'system' made by a notorious knockoff maker"

Thanks for pointing it out Blues Bender. :thumbup:
 
marcinek said:
I find what he has added quite valuable. Change my impression of the knife entirely from "knife with a gimmicky locking 'system'" to "knife with a gimmicky locking 'system' made by a notorious knockoff maker"

Thanks for pointing it out Blues Bender. :thumbup:
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Agreed.

We have rules here about knock-off's and clones.

They're not just rules for the sake of rules, if you think about it for just a fraction of a second, there are some very obvious reasons that a knife hobbyist, or a website for knife hobbyists would have no interest in pushing this crap.

I have no idea why we can't just give this topic a rest.
 
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Is this the typhoon? If so it doesn't seem like the OP knife is a blatant copy. Somewhat similar in design but that could be said with many framelocks.
 
It isn't a clone or a knock off, it is an original design. No different than the Venom2.

The venom2 got rave reviews here when you all though it was an original design from Custom Knife Factory call the Daboia. CKF has publicly admitted they purchased them directy from Kevin John and that it was his design that they rebranded.

Interestingly, the same man who owns the copyright for the Kevin John logo as well as the Venom logo also owns the copyright to the CKF logo. But we love CKF right?

My Brian Nadeau reference wasn't about this knife, which clearly shares no design similarities, but a reference to history between Mr Bender and myself.

So to recap Daboia good when it a CKF original design , bad when proven to be a Kevin John original design.

This knife is "fantasic looking" "handsome blade" "great looking knife" whose "machining and anodizing is great" with "innovative locking system" with "interesting innovations" knife, until it is a unique Kevin John design then it is crap.

The knife stands on its own merits and isn't a clone or copy of anyone's knife. The lockbar lock (the subject of this thread) is a unique design and implementation. Of dubious value? Possibly, but plenty of other makers have attempted to solve this "problem" as well.

All of you current favorite Chinese manufacturers started with the same history as KJ and you love their current original designs. The reality is you don't know if your favorite Chinese brand doesn't come out of same factory as this knife

While I and others have referred to KJ as if he is a human, I personally believe it to be a brand name and not a person.

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Yup......quick search and found this pic. Blues speaks the truth.
It's a Kevin John piece. Ugh
Joe
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palonej said:
Yup......quick search and found this pic. Blues speaks the truth.
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I never said he didn't. Anyone who knows anything about Chinese knives knows what a Venom is and who made it.

It's a Kevin John piece. Ugh
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Search BF on the Daboia and read all the glowing reviews of the very knife you posted a picture of.


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Sorry you feel that way, but that name just rubs me the wrong way. That's just me though.
 
Sorry you feel that way brother. Whenever I hear that name I get a shitty feeling.......but that's just the way I feel though.
 
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