Venom New Concept - lockbar with secondary lock

Yeah, looks more like the Cyclone by same maker. But still far from a copy. I would be curious what knife it is a blatant ripoff of? And who's locking mechanism it copied?

Even if the 'maker' has made some direct copies (has 'he'?) this knife doesn't appear to be one. And furthermore, it appears to have an original "gimmick" locking system that I'm actually curious about. I don't like liner and frame locks as I've had multiple fail (not cheapos either, $50-$100+ knives). From a blade unlocking from a very light tap on the spine of the blade, and a liner unlocking from repeated squeezing and rocking of the blade causing the lock to walk to the unlock position, to a Ti frame lock moving all the way across the tang where it developed vertical play. The last being a sprint/limited run knife that couldn't be fixed...or replaced, because they were long sold out- though not that long as the knife was right around a year old which is a ridiculously short life span for a EDC knife that was used to cut stuff and not abused. That doesn't even take into account lock stick that never cleared up and technically isn't a failure and my overall dislike of the design from an engineering standpoint as a mechanical engineer.

Anyways, I like the gimmicky secondary locks if I'm going to be stuck with a frame lock in an otherwise amazing knife. Not that this one is amazing, but I may be more tempted to buy some of the knives I would own if it weren't for having a frame lock, had they incorporated said gimmick. I have a Lionsteel SR1 with rotolock and really like the design and don't find it burdensome to use.

Anyways, given the amount of frame/liner locks I'm probably in the vast minority and mostly alone with my dislike of the design and wasting bandwidth participating in this particular thread. But since I started, I personally can't wait for the patent to expire on the AXIS lock in the next few years. It's an amazing design in comparison and it will be refreshing to have another lock type in the public domain for everyone to freely use. Hopefully it's availability is taken advantage of when the time comes and we get some much needed variety in lock types.

/rambling

Edit: correct autocorrect
 
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45Wheelgun said:
It isn't a clone or a knock off, it is an original design. No different than the Venom2.

The venom2 got rave reviews here when you all though it was an original design from Custom Knife Factory call the Daboia. CKF has publicly admitted they purchased them directy from Kevin John and that it was his design that they rebranded.

Interestingly, the same man who owns the copyright for the Kevin John logo as well as the Venom logo also owns the copyright to the CKF logo. But we love CKF right?

My Brian Nadeau reference wasn't about this knife, which clearly shares no design similarities, but a reference to history between Mr Bender and myself.

So to recap Daboia good when it a CKF original design , bad when proven to be a Kevin John original design.

This knife is "fantasic looking" "handsome blade" "great looking knife" whose "machining and anodizing is great" with "innovative locking system" with "interesting innovations" knife, until it is a unique Kevin John design then it is crap.

The knife stands on its own merits and isn't a clone or copy of anyone's knife. The lockbar lock (the subject of this thread) is a unique design and implementation. Of dubious value? Possibly, but plenty of other makers have attempted to solve this "problem" as well.

All of you current favorite Chinese manufacturers started with the same history as KJ and you love their current original designs. The reality is you don't know if your favorite Chinese brand doesn't come out of same factory as this knife

While I and others have referred to KJ as if he is a human, I personally believe it to be a brand name and not a person.

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Justify it however you'd like, I'm free to voice my opinion wether you like it or not. And no, not all of us like CKF; there is a reason why I avoid them like the plague.

I'm a fan of Kizer and Reate due to their original designs. There is no evidence that they are ex-clone manufacturers, but if that somehow were true they'd no longer get my dollar:thumbup:

So let's ask a serious question here: Do you have anything of value to add to the knife community?
 
I always thought Custom Knife Factory was a moronic name. They seemed to be a manufactory.
Now I read they buy knives & relabel them. Maybe they are just a brand name.
 
Blues Bender said:
So let's ask a serious question here: Do you have anything of value to add to the knife community?
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Nice.

I don't need to justify my existence to you or anyone else. The purpose of this thread was to discuss the lock mechanism in the knife along with fit, finish workmanship and overall good looks of this knife. It was rather civil with different opinions represented until you stepped in.

So valued forum member, what knife is this a counterfeit of?

Better get rid of you Reate's, the founding partners have openly discussed the fact that they had to rebrand their existing company to move past their counterfeiting past. They admit it, but it is true of all the favored Chinese brands.

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FlaMtnBkr said:
Even if the 'maker' has made some direct copies (has 'he'?) this knife doesn't appear to be one. And furthermore, it appears to have an original "gimmick" locking system that I'm actually curious about.
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Thank you. This knife, it's quality and it's unique feature was the only point of this thread.




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Some, including me, will frankly never get over the ripoff's that the Kevin John name (whatever that means - I frankly couldn't care less) evokes. Stealing may be culturally "OK" in some places in the world, but to me it is deplorable. I will NEVER have anything to do with anything remotely associated with "Kevin John", and I appreciate Blues giving the heads up on this one. I mean no offense to you 45Wheelgun.
 
45Wheelgun said:
I don't need to justify my existence to you or anyone else.
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Then why did you ask me pretty much the same question?

45Wheelgun said:
It was rather civil with different opinions represented until you stepped in.
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No, it's been civil the whole time; you're just butthurt:D

45Wheelgun said:
Better get rid of you Reate's, the founding partners have openly discussed the fact that they had to rebrand their existing company to move past their counterfeiting past. They admit it, but it is true of all the favored Chinese brands.
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Evidence...
This quote needs it...
 
Reate used to be Adai or A Dai, as notorious for cloning as the Kevin John company. The other guy is right.

And CKF, at least, uses a clone knife manufacturer to make knives for them. I'm sure a lot of American knife companies do. Live with it or find another hobby because it's so common you can't get away from it.

As far as the OP, it's a nice looking knife and until something comes out proving they're ripping someone off then I'll keep thinking it's a nice looking knife.
 
Blues Bender said:
Then why did you ask me pretty much the same question?



No, it's been civil the whole time; you're just butthurt:D
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I asked what you brought to this thread, you ask what I bring to the knife community? Moral equivalency?

I'm done with you. I'll be adding you to my ignore list, I suggest you do the same.


Evidence...
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Google it yourself.



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I think awareness of this reality, or unforeseen consequence, of outsourcing to the funnily enough unforeseen competition in another free market with market going global with not only competitive pricing in our end products but also in the production thereto. Outsourcing to a different economic support system. We pay not be paying for product but we are still paying for their economic support, people and furthering the capital of another channeling away from ours.

Sure, there's a lot of people elsewhere that will work for beans. Now, there's also a lot of people here that will work for beans, let alone minimum wage city pay.

It's all true. Where are our factories with interns learning while working? 1 semester credit. How much more would it take to just do it ourselves? We know we can. Where is the man power in the knife industry for production? So many smart and skilled here alone.

Why the disconnect and over reliance between 'designer' and our knife brands? Why the self importance in name on every single knife released? At one time, these big hits would be enough for the room, then copied, and again. Now, Asia is pushing out design like babies. It's like 10 new designs a week.. and a lot pushing design in new direction. Those sources making our stuff may not be able to sell to us but that didn't mean they couldn't sell to them. The designs they had someone make off our designs become that guys design. Where are their big names? Not there yet? Kevin John? Custom Knife Factory?

Yeah, but neither are we. America doesn't quite have the team I think it once had. All had to do that crappy job learning a shtty skill nobody likes doing cause it's too much work and use it in the best way we can. Get it together. Make America strong?

There does not to be some rethinking and perhaps reworking of industry as a whole.
 
Nice looking knife. The secondary lock concept in various forms seems to be becoming more common. The one LionSteel I have is a well-made knife, so I would think it would be well-executed.

Edit: I misunderstood the initial post and thought this was a LionSteel knife. It isn't, so please disregard my comments.
 
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MaxFactor said:
Once again, an otherwise great looking knife is ruined by a massive logo and text on the blade.

Also, secondary locks are pretty much a deal breaker for me. All of the secondary locking mechanisms I've experienced have been annoying and gimmicky.

All that being said, the machining on the scales and the anodizing look very good. I just think they should have skipped the two aforementioned things.
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This.
I LOVE the color & blade shape.
 
Since forum sponsors bladehq.com is now selling these, I guess that means we can discuss them? Or shall we discuss bladehq.com support for Kevin John?

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This knife is an original design, as far as I know, and looks pretty cool. Too bad some folks around here will go into uncontrollable spasms at the name Kevin John being uttered.
 
seems liked a lot of money considering some of their other offerings are way less.I think its 100.00 too much,you can never recoop that money like a sebenza if you needed cash in a hurry,youd probably lose 50% of what you paid to move it, that's the biggest problem I have with some of these knives.
 
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