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R.A.T. said:
Appreciate you buying an RC-4. Let us know how it performs for you.

Zevon had sort of a cult following more than a rock start status following. Even though Werewolves Of London is the song associated with him, he had much better music than that. He was a writer mainly and a lot of songs that others made famous, Zevon wrote. For sure a rebel and outlaw and it showed through in his music.

Long Live Warren Zevon!
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Just as an aside because I love music...we should all be able to face death this bravely.

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/warrenzevon/articles/story/5940086/warren_zevons_last_words
 
BoxANT said:
Glad to hear you're voting Libertarian R.A.T.

However, I feel they should be honored by being brought home. .
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I am not going to debate whether or not we should be in Iraq, the fact is we are now there. Also, I'm not trying to poke anybody in the eye or deny somebody their right to their opinion. However, as somebody who wears the uniform I want to provide my personal viewpoint. We are not beaten in Iraq nor do I feel that we are in an endless quagmire. If we are pulled out without completing our mission because some politician thinks we should not have been there in the first place, then people died for nothing.

We sent troops into Somalia, some were killed and we left. What did they die for? The politicians send troops into harms way and then pull the rug out from under them when things get tough. It emboldens our enemies and our allies doubt our commitment. If my opponent backs off every time things get tough, why would I let up on him?

We need to think long and hard about committing our military. We need to do it smart and with realistic objectives. Once we are committed, we need to see it through. If we aren't ready to hang in there through some tough times, don't send in the troops. If we aren't willing to accept casualties, don't send in the troops. If it was easy, we wouldn't need to send in the military.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I basically agree with you but it is interesting to note that you brought up Somalia. Clinton's Secretary of Defense at the time, Les Aspin, was harshly criticized, and rightfully so, over the issue of armor and other issues that had a lot to do with the KIAs we suffered there.

I agree with you when you say, "If we aren't willing to accept casualties, don't send in the troops." I also believe that we should try to limit the amount of casualties that we suffer in commonsense ways which was clearly not done in Iraq. Instead of declaring victory, and I don't care who put the sign up on the ship, we should have hammered the enemy into submission because that is also what war is about.

A large reason Germany and Japan were easily occupied and rebuilt, compared to this conflict, is because we basically killed off most military age males in both countries and anyone left was, quite frankly, scared shitless of us. That counts.

It's not so much that I disagree with what might have been a mistake. As you said, we're in there now, we broke it and we bought it, but the Iraqi government, sitting on a huge surplus of money, should be cut off from our money so I guess we are only renting it at this point since they have such vast resources they can draw on.

There are other problems that have happened, all around the issue of money. It didn't have to be this way and I think after tonight you will see the results of the folley.
 
Didn't read the the posts after this, but I had to respond to this one. I used the term arsenal because I think it sounds cool :cool:. Why would I own any guns if I had anything against other gun owners? :confused: The only reason I don't own more guns than I do is because I only have what I can afford to have. The assertions you make are downright ridiculous. Maybe you should think a little more before you post next time. :mad:
 
Don Rearic said:
What you describe is a small gun collection. Gun control advocates love to say that anyone with more than a couple of firearms has an "arsenal" and they wish to license those "arsenals."

"Arsenal" always sounds so much more menacing, that is why they prefer to use that term instead of "gun collection."

I know the definition of an "arsenal" and I also know the realistic definition of an arsenal is basically multiples of the same series of firearms like you would find in a National Guard Armory. So, yeah, if you have four AR-15s, five 1911 .45 Autos, yadda, yadda, yadda, I guess that could be called a small "arsenal."

I just hate the snotty liberalness of the term which is used to instill fear in the ignorant and stupid among us.



As I understand it, it is incredibly difficult to get one in NYC but a New York State Permit is not that tough at all, but is also not valid in NYC.



Let me tell you a little story. If a politician says that a Corvette is a Mustang, that Corvette is a Mustang until a Judge tells the politician it's really a Ford Mustang. Where we run into a problem is when a Judge, and I really shouldn't capitalize that word, states in a decision that a Chevrolet Corvette is a Ford Mustang. Then we must wait and hope that another Judge in a higher Court will then correct the lower Court's decision and bring sanity to the case and decision in question. Roll the dice. Such was the case when The Supreme Court (SCOTUS) ruled on the Second Amendment recently.

If you asked Mayor Adrian Fenty of Washington, D.C. why he allows D.C. Metro Line Officers to carry machineguns, he would laugh in your face. Yet, in the direct aftermath of the SCOTUS Ruling on the Second Amendment, Fenty declared semi-automatic handguns to be "machineguns" and being such, would still be banned under Washington, D.C. Law. Not my opinion, this is a fact.

I believe the Court has since corrected the petty little tyrant.

I expect an Obama-Biden Administration will play all sorts of similar word games, they could possibly do a lot of damage along with what is projected to be a democrat majority in both the House of Representatives and Senate.

I would also expect that if McCain-Palin wins, which I doubt will be the case, that McCain, ever the appeaser on the gun issues of the day, will acquiesce to the demonstrably insatiable appetite for gun control that the democrat party is infected with.
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Also, where I live is inconsequetial unless you are using it as a basis on which to judge me, (obviously you are) and even then I would assert that it is still inconsequential. You are correct that it is easier to obtain a concealed permit in some areas of NY than others, and that I live in a more urban area (though not NYC). SO WHAT! Apparently you are trying to single me out, as if I haven't already done that for myself. You are a moron. Go post on a page for other morons.
 
i just got back from 16 long hours working at the polls
all i can say is that i love this country and all the good people in it.
I may not agree with their decision but people exercised their rights and I'm proud of my countrymen for doing that.
God Bless America
 
Well, I thought this thread was going good and now it has resorted to unnecessary name calling. It's childish.There is never a need in any debate or discussion to resort to calling someone names. This thread is closed. Mainly I'm closing it because I have to be away from the office for the next 2 days and I don't want this to degenerate into a flame war. Well, it was good while it lasted and I appreciate everyone who stated their point and did it with respect to others, even if they didn't agree with them.

Tony, if new threads are started on this subject please edit out the text in the posts and close them down.

BTW: StringsMartyr, it is a great country and I love it also. Thanks for voting and being part of it.

Thanks to all of you who participated in this thread.

Onward!
 
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