Vlad contact good or bad seller?

[nozh2002]

Many of these knives ended up being sold on knife forums in Russia.

I never see anything sold in Russian knife forums. I think I know I think all of them and in general they all are not place to sell knives, especially expensive to make 100000 on this sales.

Do you have links to this Russian knife forums where that stolen knives were sold?

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/64/68781-6.html

 

[nozh2002]

Well, it is subforum dedicated to Review and that thread in particular to Knife Photoes. I guess similar way he post (or may post) pictures of that knives here on Bladeforum or any other forums. Simple auto translation can clearly show that there is no any selling there.

I guess this is not enough to say "Many of these knives ended up being sold on knife forums in Russia".

Based on photoes posted in subforum like Galeria etc does not mean that it is possible to say "Many of these knives ended up being sold on knife forums in [whatever forum was used for postin pictures]".

Is it only basis for this negative statement against Russian knife forums?

Guns.ru BTW very popular and respected Russian forum and there anybody can post. I post link to this thread because people there were very impressed by the knives on the pictures. Now I think they will know about Vlad bit more.

Thanks, Vassili.

P.S. I trace all his posts on guns.ru - no any selling or something of this nature.

P.P.S. He was active there only at March-April last year.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Actually, a great number of the knives ended up being sold on this forum. I really don't think it is making negative comments about Russian knife forums to state that Vlad sold knives there. He has sold knives lots of places.

There was also a dealer that was working with Vlad to sell these knives on other forums (possibly Russian forums), but I am not sure at this point who that was.

 

[nozh2002]

Why then "Many of these knives ended up being sold on knife forums in Russia" was sad? If it was actually more appropriate to say "Many of these knives ended up being sold here on BladeForums". How Russia came out here - it was american knifemakers and isralian crook?

There are no evidence that it was sold ever on Russian forum, so why? As I understand your post you may put possible Canadian forums or any other country as well. Or Russia is just a usual suspect in any cases of wrong doings?

Thanks, Vassili.

P.S. I think this is offensive statement.

 

[GigOne]

Vlad operates on quite a few knife and gun forums, and uses a wide variety of "user names." The knives that he attempts to hawk range in price and variety.

Does he operate on several "Russian" knife and gun forums - - - - yes.

Try to look at it from this perspective. . . .

1. Vlad is a thief.

2. The people that purchase a knife or knives from him are victims.

3. Vlad doesn't believe in isolationism.


The Internet is global. . . .as such. . . .most forums have members from all over the world. What an amazing concept.

 

[nozh2002]

Vlad operates on quite a few knife and gun forums, and uses a wide variety of "user names." The knives that he attempts to hawk range in price and variety.

Does he operate on several "Russian" knife and gun forums - - - - yes.

Try to look at it from this perspective. . . .

1. Vlad is a thief.

2. The people that purchase a knife or knives from him are victims.

3. Vlad doesn't believe in isolationism.


The Internet is global. . . .as such. . . .most forums have members from all over the world. What an amazing concept.

Yes, I know, power of imagination is unbelivable, but this is not excuse to this kind of statements.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[notdos]

Relax partner. If he sold one knife (or many knives) the fact remains he sold stolen sh*t. Russian forum, Greek forum or Fag forum,,we wanna know about it.

 

[GigOne]

Yes, I know, power of imagination is unbelivable, but this is not excuse to this kind of statements.

Unfortunately, the statement(s) made is/are true. This doesn't not mean the forum owners, moderators, or forum members of any forum support Vlad's illegal activities. So, in a nutshell, no one is pointing any fingers.

notdos brings up a critical and important point. That is - for us to stay focused on Vlad and his activities. . . .no matter what forum he is on. This allows us to hinder his ability to operate freely in our somewhat small community.

Vlad is a POS and we don't need his type !

 

[nozh2002]

I am not sure what fact are you reffering to - you sad it is true - why? There are no any evidence of this. He did not sell anything on Russian forum. Instead according to Keith he did it here - selling stolen stuff etc.

So "Many of these knives ended up being sold on knife forums in Russia" is BS.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[GigOne]

There are no any evidence of this. He did not sell anything on Russian forum.

Believe what you want.

Instead according to Keith he did it here - selling stolen stuff etc.

You misunderstood what Keith posted.



Again, this isn't a finger pointing contest and no one is trying to tarnish the reputation of any "Russian" forum(s), or their owners, staff and members.

It's obvious that you're upset that the claim was made about Vlad selling his illegally obtained goods on Russian forums. I also believe no matter what is provided, you will attempt to dispute it. Have a nice day.

 

[nozh2002]

Believe what you want.

Why do you think this is matter of belive? Can you show any evidence of this? I check what Keith gave - nothing about selling knives on Russian forums there.

You misunderstood what Keith posted.

OK, this is what he sad "Actually, a great number of the knives ended up being sold on this forum." How else should I understand this?

Again, this isn't a finger pointing contest and no one is trying to tarnish the reputation of any "Russian" forum(s), or their owners, staff and members.

No it is directly pointed to Russian forums, not any but Russian.

It's obvious that you're upset that the claim was made about Vlad selling his illegally obtained goods on Russian forums. I also believe no matter what is provided, you will attempt to dispute it. Have a nice day.

Well, yes I upset - I asked are there any reasons to say so, I was given link and it turn out this is not a case. You may belive "that no matter what is provided" will not make me think different, but provide the fact first. I think it will be correct to provide it if you have it, even you are such a "beliver", but at least others will see that you are not BSing.

If not just say so - there is no reason to say that -
"Many of these knives ended up being sold on knife forums in Russia".

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[GigOne]

Why do you think this is matter of belive? Can you show any evidence of this? I check what Keith gave - nothing about selling knives on Russian forums there.

A single link was provided. Let's take a look the link provided. Vlad is using three "user names" at that particular forum. One of the "user names" has listings of knives for sale and has sold knives on that forum. Yep, it's a "Russian" forum. Big deal. The important topic to focus on - he's a "thief" and operating on a number of forums !

OK, this is what he sad "Actually, a great number of the knives ended up being sold on this forum." How else should I understand this?

True, but keying in on a portion of what's written versus the entire post often leads to knee-jerk reactions. There was much more to the post than the tidbit at you're focusing on.

Actually, a great number of the knives ended up being sold on this forum. I really don't think it is making negative comments about Russian knife forums to state that Vlad sold knives there. He has sold knives lots of places.

No it is directly pointed to Russian forums, not any but Russian.

As I've stated before, "Vlad operates on quite a few knife and gun forums, and uses a wide variety of "user names."

Maybe this will help. Vlad has disposed of his illegally gotten gains on many forums. . . .Russian, US, Israeli, etc. To facilitate this task, Vlad uses a wide variety of "user names."

You may belive "that no matter what is provided" will not make me think different, but provide the fact first. I think it will be correct to provide it if you have it, even you are such a "beliver", but at least others will see that you are not BSing.

ROTFLMAO


You're the only one that seems to have a problem with it.

I really don't care if you or anyone else believes I'm "BSing."

Who do you think outted Vlad here and on several other forums towards the end of December and actually provided proof of what we're discussing ? I don't see the need to be your copy & paste agent. The search function is operating just fine.

While I may not be an all inclusive subject matter expert about Vlad, I sure as hell know a considerable more than the average joe / jane or nosh. Does this mean that I have to bow to you wishes ? I'm afraid not.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

It is very likely that through one or more of his aliases or associates, Vlad did sell knives on Russian knife forums. Once again, it is not the fault of the forums, it is Vlad that is the crook. The people that run the forums had no way of knowing what he was doing. Just look at what happened here with ann_dem. Under that alias, Vlad had the support of a number of highly repected members of this forum. The fact that Vlad sold knives on forums does not make the forums bad places. Stating that knives were sold on Russian knife forums does not infer that the forums were at fault; at least to me it doesn't.

 

[nozh2002]

It is very likely that through one or more of his aliases or associates, Vlad did sell knives on Russian knife forums. Once again, it is not the fault of the forums, it is Vlad that is the crook. The people that run the forums had no way of knowing what he was doing. Just look at what happened here with ann_dem. Under that alias, Vlad had the support of a number of highly repected members of this forum. The fact that Vlad sold knives on forums does not make the forums bad places. Stating that knives were sold on Russian knife forums does not infer that the forums were at fault; at least to me it doesn't.

Fine, but this statement is simple false. You are answering in the way that if this happen - it does not affect reputation of the forum, but so far there is no indication that any were sold, in that forum. And so why it was sad this way? Because it is possible theoretically, because it is likely? This way anyone can blame anybody else in any crime just becaes it is possible to imagine and likely!

In given context, having in mind entier post it may look like russian knife forum is the place to sell stolen goods, which is not true and misleading.

I think author of this false statement shuld clearify this. Otherwise it looks like isralean croock (as you sad) stole knives from american knifemakes to sell them on Russian knifeforums, ridiculos!

So far the situation is - he post pictures of that knives about year ago on guns.ru, everybody there appretiate beauty of that knives and craftsmeship of makers and expressed jealosy because nobody on that forum are capable to afford that knives. Now after you gave me this link I post there warning about Vlad and link to this thread.

Thanks, Vassili.

P.S. I add ann_dem story to my post on guns.ru

 

[GigOne]

. . . .but so far there is no indication that any were sold, in that forum. And so why it was sad this way? Because it is possible theoretically, because it is likely? This way anyone can blame anybody else in any crime just becaes it is possible to imagine and likely!

It's not false. It's not theoretical. It's not likely. It's FACT ! You've chosen not to see it.

By the way, the ONLY person that is being blamed is Vlad ! It's very simple. . . .thieves have victims and Vlad's a thief.

In given context, having in mind entier post it may look like russian knife forum is the place to sell stolen goods, which is not true and misleading.

You honestly don't get it !

I think author of this false statement shuld clearify this. Otherwise it looks like isralean croock (as you sad) stole knives from american knifemakes to sell them on Russian knifeforums, ridiculos!

There are no false statements in what was posted and it's not as ridiculous as you seem to believe.

So far the situation is - he post pictures of that knives about year ago on guns.ru, everybody there appretiate beauty of that knives and craftsmeship of makers and expressed jealosy because nobody on that forum are capable to afford that knives.

The world according to nozh2002 ! :jerkit:

Just to give you an idea about Vlad's picture sharing. . . . .Vlad wasn't able to afford several of those knives that he so proudly displayed. That's why he ripped them off; not the pictures, but several of the knives. In other words, he took them illegally.

I truly wish I could dumb down a response so that you could see, but again, no matter what is provided you'll attempt to dispute it.

In fact, it looks like you're trying to defend Vlad.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Nohz, this is an old thread about Vlad Pavlov that you resurrected. There are more recent threads about him and his more recent crimes.

No one is blaming Russians or Russian forums in particular; we were fooled just as they were.

 

[nozh2002]

No one is blaming Russians or Russian forums in particular

I feel like Neil is blaming...

This is like whole criminal transaction he came up with which ended up in Russia:

"...he has stolen well over $100,000.00 worth of knives from collectors, dealers and Knifemakers over the last 2 years. Many of these knives ended up being sold on knife forums in Russia..."

Let see what Nail will say about it.

I like him to say that no any of these knives ended up being sold on knife forums in Russia or at least he has no any proves of this.

Fair statement should be:
"...he has stolen well over $100,000.00 worth of knives from collectors, dealers and Knifemakers over the last 2 years. Many of these knives ended up being sold on knife forums..."

I do not see why Russia is here at all, while actually it was sold here see ann_dem post.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Cougar Allen]

I do not see why Russia is here at all

That's because you haven't read the other threads on this forum.

 

[nozh2002]

That's because you haven't read the other threads on this forum.

Oh, really? I like you to explain this in details, this is really interesting and do not point me to all thread, but please give me some facts.

So far I did not see again that any these knives were sold in Russian knifeforums.

Thanks, Vassili.