Wal Mart Native!

Geez life gets complicated. I saw a Native at Wal Mart for less than $40 when I payed $60 plus shipping for mine. I thought I will run to the Spyderco forums and tell the guys. I just wanted to save money on Sypdies! Now I am really confused.:confused: I don't want first class dealers like NGK hurt. They are GREAT folks but when I can save $30 on a knife I can't help being tempted.:(
 
I certainly appreciate all of the input. As usual, your opinions are valued. That's how we learn about our market.

Walmart was interested in a model that very few or our long time dealers and distributors even carry. John, if you check your history of Plain edge Native purchases for the past 12 months, I think you will agree that my point is taken.

The test is to see how well the model will sell in some of the Wal-Mart stores. If they well well, they will add them to the rest of the stores.

Wal-Mart offers low prices, same as NGK or any other of the dealers that you choose to patronize for their "low price" offering. They just do it bigger and better.

Many companies cannot compete with Wal-Mart. It is sad, Reality is a firm, but honest teacher". Many companies cannot compete with China either.

From my perspective, I worry more about oil money supporting terrorists.

If Schrade could have kept Wal-Mart, they might have had a better chance of surviving. Schrade used to make up the Wal-Mart board and they put many of their own items on the board. Gerber took their Wal-Mart board. I don't think that Wal-Mart had anything to do with causing Schrade's failing.

Lil Coo Coo, Welcome to the Spyderco forum. Spyderco will treat Wal-Mart honorably as we would any customer. We can only do what we can do. We have offered them only one model. It still has an S30V blade. The ELU will still get a good knife.

Wal-Mart certainly forces a company to be more efficient. Gerber, Kershaw, CRKT, Leatherman all sell to WAl-Mart.

I am open to any dialogue on this issue. We believe we've done our homework and we believe it will be a good thing. Only time will tell for sure.

sal
 
Sal, I think you've done a good thing here. Thought I haven't been a Spyderco fan for long, I think you and your company have the integrity not to let Wal-Mart hurt you in anyway.

So I was happy to hear about this because Wal-Mart is such a driving force in the retail industry. It's nice to see them have a very high quality piece made from top of the line materials. Could this start a shift in the way they do business, moving from lower quality and price point to a slightly higher price point with dramatically increased quality? Who knows, but it's a start.

I've never bought a knife at Wal-Mart before, I just coudln't bring myself to add to their income. But when I found out that the Spyderco that they'd be selling was a plain edge Native, I had to have it. The reason I didn't own a Native before today is because I couldn't find one in plain edge (I wanted to handle the knife first... I'll order online if it's a stockman or Buck 110, I know what they feel like).

I'm happy to say that this is a wonderful knife at a wonderful price, and I may have myself a new EDC. It'll be hard to put that Endura down for long though... and when the new Endura comes out, the Native may get some time off. But right now I'm as happy as a kid at Christmas.

I've always been a little turned off by smaller knives, and the Native is the smallest I own, but it feel so much bigger because of the chiol. I'm a happy boy.

Thanks, Sal.
 
I have been a knife dealer for several years, and carry quite a few different brands ~ Spyderco being one of them, In the gun show climate I sell in, they aren't the best sellers, but I carry several models; usually in plain & combo edges.

There are always both plain & combo edge Natives in my case; and I believe the plain edge out sells the combo edge: Possibly because that has been my EDC for quite a few years, and when asked which knife I carry, I show them them my plain edge Native. When someone walks up and asks me to show them the best folding knife of all those displayed in my 5 showcases, I show them the Native. That of course is my opinion; but they asked; and I usually sell them the Native.

I am not going to go into the whole Walmart deal; EXCEPT - the prices quoted above for what they are charging for the Native, is less than what I pay for them from one of the largest knife wholesale houses in this country. True - I don't make bulk buys; and generally buy by the piece. If the above is true I will be better off going to the local Walmart, buying my Natives, and saving shipping costs too.

Also it should be noted that this is the same Native that Spyderco lists on their web site with a MSRP of $94.95. Go Figure.

Not a rant ~ Just my 2 cents......
 
Sal I was initially so excited by the fact that I could now buy a Spyderco and first get to play with several and pick the one I wanted that I went right down to Wal-Mart and bought one right after reading about the availability. Truthfully I would have gladly paid more for it than if I had ordered it from NGK or Knifeoutlet. The price is great and I sure can't argue with it but it was the hands on thing that made me happy. To be honest the model didn't even matter. Just the thrill of being able to play with it first before I buy one for the first time ever and pick from several to chose from was all I needed to hear.

I see the dealers problems that do carry the Native, and for those that have some left in stock now that will be harder to sell due to the competition now in place by Wal-Mart I feel for their dilema. If I were one of your dealers in that situation I'd probably be asking you to work with me on trading me out for the remaining Natives that I could not sell for a break even scenario now since I would have more in it than I could buy it for at my local Wally world. This way I could get something in stock I could sell and make a few bucks on. To me that would solve any problem I had with a bad investment or upside down situation from competitors or any bad tastes in my mouth. If you worked with me on it even if it just meant a slightly sweeter % off on my next purchase for inventory or something like that I think it could be a simple fix when dealing with just one model.

The real problem would be if suddenly all the best selling Spydies were now available at Wal-Mart leaving the ones that don't sell as well in my inventory. That would be a bad deal IMO, but one I'm sure you won't let happen.

It seems to me that Spyderco deserves a few spots on the display board at Wal-Mart right beside the Gerbers, Bucks, and Kershaws and any others there. Why not? It only makes sense and most of the dealers stocking your stuff also carry one or more of those makers knives in their inventory too.

Once the word is out on the Native being there I am sure it will become one of Wal-Marts best sellers. The steel is a great advantage in your knives but what will sell the knife best is how it feels in the hand. Once held the Native is hard to deny pocket time to. I'm sure if it had a 440A blade and people would still buy it just for the feel and grip of it alone. I'm glad it doesn't have a cheap mill rolled steel but you know what I mean.

I wish you luck with your venture here and look forward to seeing more than just one model to represent Spyderco there.
 
Mr. Glesser,


Being a student on a budget and their being no 12-step programs for blade addictions, I fully welcome the initiative of Spyderco being sold in Wal-Mart stores.

My one question though is are their plans for Canadian Wal-Marts to start selling the Native as well? Considering that most Natives I've seen in stores up here start at around $100 CAD, a Wal-Mart venue would be greatly appreciated.
 
Yeah, we got them down here in Chattanooga TN. Tried to push a sale to a guy looking at a gerber, but couldn't sway him.
 
The thing I am worried about is if the Walmart production takes up capacity in Golden and limits new stuff. I think the Golden Native is due for either a makeover or a replacement. But if that production capacity is locked in on making an old model for Walmart for years, we lose out.

Walmart has a lot of garbage in their stores. Does anyone really need an 88-cent fake swiss army knife? Those Winchesters are so bad they are insulting to even offer. I have very little respect for stores and manufacturers that choose to be bottom feeders. I'm not saying it's unethical or illegal (people can buy whatever junk they want to buy), but from a personal standards point of view they are scum.

It's tempting to hate Walmart for selling so much junk, but people are buying it. It's all free choices. Customers settling for junk, stores happy to sell junk because they have no pride, and manufacturers doing the same. Why make Walmart look like the only bad guy in the cycle?

It's nice that Walmart wants to sell a good American knife. They also have some nice MP3 players now. I hope the trend continues upward.

In the end, I think Schrade failed to make new knives users wanted. Regardless of which stores might have demanded Schrade do anything in particular, looking at their attempts at modern knives I can tell that the biggest problem was their own mistakes. It's sad because I have always been a Schrade fan.
 
I think that this will be a good move for Spyderco in some ways. However, I don't see myself going to Walmart to buy a Spyderco. I and many other people make an effort not to shop there unless it's absolutley necessary. Personally, I would rather pay more and purchase it online rather than support Walmart.

I'm also concerned that Walmarts demands might hurt the overall quality of Spyderco. I suspect that if the model sells well, that Walmart will be ordering a considerable number of knives. I would hate to see the quality of the knives compromised to meet the demand of Walmart.
 
What usually happens is that Walmart says "oh yes we would like to buy xxx bazzillion whatever's but we need bigger jars or you need to shave xxx off the price"

Those in charge see big dollar signs so they retool and shave prices and try and meet the demand from walmart. walmart continues to squeeze them on price until they go bankrupt.

Or, if they can't meet demand, or refuse to do deal with walmart then they call their overseaes supplies and make exact copies. There was a childs clothing line, well thought of, that they duplicated in total becaus ethe original company wouldn't sell to walmart. I don't know if that company survived.

walmarts the devil, it's just cloaked in low prices. A google search turn up a million plus hits on articles about their business practices.

Oh, here's the childrens clothing thing:

March 2000

* Supreme Court Rules for Wal-Mart in Clothing Knockoff Case. On March 22, 2000 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a lawsuit filed against Wal-Mart for trademark infringement, holding that the retail chain did not infringe on a line of children’s clothes. Wal-Mart hired a company in 1995 to make children’s clothing modeled after a design used by Samara Brothers; Wal-Mart paperwork used in planning for the order showed photos of garments with the Samara label. Samara sued the retail chain for infringing on its copyright and distinctive clothing design. A jury awarded Samara $912,856 in damages for copyright infringement and $240,458 for trade-dress infringement. Most of the jury award was upheld by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, which found that “Wal-Mart's marketing of the knockoffs was willful piracy with an intent to deceive consumers as to the source of the product.” In reversing the verdict, the Supreme Court ruled that the clothing design was not inherently distinctive and did not serve to identify a brand but only to make the clothing more appealing to consumers. “We see it as a clear victory for our customers,” stated Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams. Wal-Mart Stores v. Samara Brothers, U.S. Supreme Court No. 99-150. For a detailed discussion of the legal issues in this case, see Gail Dalickas, "What Is a 'Trademark Look'?" The Legal Intelligencer (November 4, 1999), p.5. (Posted March 2000).

An another example is Buck, who uses China made knives to supply walmart. The problem is that people still think of Buck as American made and they surpised when they see their knife isn't made in US. IMO that damaged Buck's reputation.
 
Sal, I bought a PE Native 3-D when they first came out. I like the knife, but I don't carry it because it is as stiff as a post. Do the new ones for sale at wally-world have lighter springs than the older ones? That is really the only improvement it needs.
 
I bought a Native at the Stafford VA WalMart last night. I was there to buy a portable basketball hoop and I gravitated over to the knife counter because I had heard on BladeForums about the Natives being at WalMart. They had 4 of them in stock and I had the clerk lay them all out on the counter so I could take my pick. The fit and finish was good on all of them, blade centered perfectly on all 4. They were all very sharp out of the box.

One of them was a fraction of a milimeter off at the tip where the edge met up with the "tapered" top edge of the blade - on one side the two bevels met up just a tiny bit "higher" off the edge than the other side. This would not have prevented me from buying that knife if it was the one I wanted.

It's a little on the small side for my hand but it "feels good" when I choke up with my index finger in the choil and my thumb on the thumb ridges. I have heard people say they think the thumb ridges are a little too "sharp" on Spyderco's but I like the confident grip it gives me and it was one of the reasons I bought my Military.

I selected one that seemed to have the most satisfying click when opened. I haven't had a chance to use it for anything other than opening the mail when I got home, but I'm going to EDC it for a few weeks and I think it will have a favored spot in my rotation.
 
I want to get a regular Native, but I hope they don't have a problem with Walmart. Those guys and gals at Wallyworld corporate are cutthroat. If this works in the first few months, and Spyderco makes a ton to sell to Walmart, and sales go down, WM could force Spyderco to take all those knives back, at a loss to Spyderco. I've read some tales on how WM treats their suppliers, and the record is not good.

I'm going to look at the WM's in Hunt Valley MD, Westminster MD, Hampstead MD, Belair MD, Aberdeen MD, the ones in Shrewsbury PA, Hanover PA, York PA, Gettysburg PA.
 
silenthunterstudios said:
I'm going to look at the WM's in Hunt Valley MD, Westminster MD, Hampstead MD, Belair MD, Aberdeen MD, the ones in Shrewsbury PA, Hanover PA, York PA, Gettysburg PA.
i can save you a trip a good friends mom runs the sporting goods in hanover and was proud to tell me that they now carry spyderco natives i had been bugin her about it for about a year
 
Well, I've given up on the walmart natives. I'm out to a 2.5 hour drive from my house and nobody has any, even at the super Walmart. Good thing I let my fingers do the walking first else I'd have really wasted a bunch of time.

So.... what's the 411 on these nativeIII on ebay for $38? I see the blade is vg10 vs the s30v for the walmart edition. Is there much of a real performance difference between these two steals for an everyday Joe average user? Would your average Joe really notice performance difference between these two blade steels?

How about the shape, size, and ergonomics on the nativeIII, same as the walmart ones?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-C78PBK...577701878QQcategoryZ63800QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks
Wayne
 
Anyone had any luck in the Los Angeles or Orange County areas of Southern California? I've called about a half dozen Wal-Marts and have had no luck.

Thanks,

Jim

PS I was very tempted by that VG10 Native on ebay for $38.00. I can't believe there'd be a significant difference in performance between one with VG10 and one with S30V.
 
longbeachguy said:
PS I was very tempted by that VG10 Native on ebay for $38.00. I can't believe there'd be a significant difference in performance between one with VG10 and one with S30V.
Thanks for the reply. So the shape, size, and ergonomics are exactly the same between the two?

Wayne
 
Wrace said:
Thanks for the reply. So the shape, size, and ergonomics are exactly the same between the two?

Wayne

Well, not exactly. The VG-10 version has somewhat thicker handles than the S30V version. There are also different designs on the handles. The overall blade shape is basically the same except for some minor differences. You can see those differences in the pictures below. The S30V version has a black metal clip and the VG-10 version has a wire clip.

This is just my personal experience but the S30V version is a little easier to open than the VG-10 version. The S30V version also feels a little smoother opening up. The S30V version is also Made in the U.S.A. which is a big plus for me. I still have a native in VG10, though, as they are both excellent knives.

As for which is favorable: S30V vs. VG10, there are other threads about that argument. :D

Native S30V
C41BK_M.jpg


Native 3D VG-10
C78BK_M.jpg
http://spyderco.com/pix/products/med/C78BK_M.jpg
 
heathah said:
This is just my personal experience but the S30V version is a little easier to open than the VG-10 version. The S30V version also feels a little smoother opening up. The S30V version is also Made in the U.S.A. which is a big plus for me.
Ok, thanks. I think I'll wait on the native for awhile. I've got a caly jr. zdp and a salt on the way, so I'll play with those first and see where it leads.

I find the older I get and more I actually use these knives the more concerned I am about ergonomics, ease of opening/closing, and robustness than I am about having the latest blade material.

Wayne
 
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