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WALKING DEAD Season 4, Sunday 10-13-13
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S4-2, Yea thinking things are getting back around now. Still have to figure out the new bug but good to see the killing picken up. The fence is going to be a malfunction soon. At least now everyone is seeing the vulnerability of the prison and this has to force something to happen ie LEAVE. Spent to much time on the farm and now to much at the prison in MHO, time to get moving to better resources.
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Yeah in the preview they show thousands of walkers coming at the car. Those fences would do no good against that.
I was also thinking that I would have had my cell door shut. Also it would be a good idea for every one to tie a rope from a cell bar to themselves just in case. I haven't seen a walker untie a rope yet. I think they may drop the hemorrhagic fever thing now that they seem to have gotten rid of all the carriers. Just doesn't seem a good idea to keep on with.
I was also thinking that I would have had my cell door shut. Also it would be a good idea for every one to tie a rope from a cell bar to themselves just in case. I haven't seen a walker untie a rope yet. I think they may drop the hemorrhagic fever thing now that they seem to have gotten rid of all the carriers. Just doesn't seem a good idea to keep on with.
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Looks like AMC is going to make me wait a few more days before viewing, it now has a log on that requires me to verify my cable or satellite provider, :grumpy:
I hope I can eventually watch. Did they do that last year? Anyone in the know?
I hope I can eventually watch. Did they do that last year? Anyone in the know?
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I'm trying to re-watch episode 2 right now but it won't work!!! (I have a Time Warner account)
But I don't think you can watch it, I think they're only letting people watch the first episode without provider info... They did the whole last season of Breaking Bad (best show to ever exist, btw) like that where you had to login to your cable providers page, so I think that's how it will be with all the shows, they're just giving a freebee with the 1st episode of TWD.
And I think they just started that, I remember being able to watch BB and TWD without logging into anything last year.
But I don't think you can watch it, I think they're only letting people watch the first episode without provider info... They did the whole last season of Breaking Bad (best show to ever exist, btw) like that where you had to login to your cable providers page, so I think that's how it will be with all the shows, they're just giving a freebee with the 1st episode of TWD.
And I think they just started that, I remember being able to watch BB and TWD without logging into anything last year.
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Spoilers Ahead!
What a great episode! Loved it, some great moments. When the walkers nearly got through the fence I was on the edge of my seat! Serious tension there. And I think Michonne may have lost a child, the way she refused to hold Judith and then breaking down. The devastation in Rick's face was heartbreaking, knowing he could never be a simple farmer, that he was in it for the long haul.
I love how strong Carol has become, from victim Carol asked him is he was okay and all he says is "I've got to be." Some real great character development in this show.
Who is feeding rats to the walkers? The ex-army medic? A spy for the Governor?
Bring on the next episode! Can't wait!
What a great episode! Loved it, some great moments. When the walkers nearly got through the fence I was on the edge of my seat! Serious tension there. And I think Michonne may have lost a child, the way she refused to hold Judith and then breaking down. The devastation in Rick's face was heartbreaking, knowing he could never be a simple farmer, that he was in it for the long haul.
I love how strong Carol has become, from victim Carol asked him is he was okay and all he says is "I've got to be." Some real great character development in this show.
Who is feeding rats to the walkers? The ex-army medic? A spy for the Governor?
Bring on the next episode! Can't wait!
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Has to be the kids, they named the things and treat them as pets so I can easily see them feeding them.
Still don't know why Rick did that to the piglets though. The zombies started to move when they heard one squeal, which they did that when Rick picked them up. So I think it was unnecessary for Rick to give up 3 piglets to a heard of zombies.
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Ah, that makes sense, give a freebie to get ya hooked....... Ah well, at least got to see one.
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I agree. I figured he was planning on taking the pigs and getting the walkers attention and then just let the pigs go. Those pigs running through the woods would have kept the walkers busy for hours if not longer. Why kill them and let them eat them right next to the fence. No common sense with these guys.
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No spoilers here. I've got mixed feelings about TWD. Never read the book. Love apocalyptic/TEOTWAWKI done believably. TWD starts with an interesting fun premise. But the premise has a lifespan that is limited from the get-go.
Once you survive the initial shock of the pandemic/mass dieoff/loss of all techno infrastructure, further survival is pretty simple and doable. Human teeth aren't much of a weapon and TWD zombies have about the physical threat level of an Alzheimers grampa. Other human survivors would be the main threat, competing for remaining manufactured-goods resources. We all know that, so after a couple of good seasons out of following the little band to some alzheimers-biting-grampa (ABG) proof stronghold, the show's over.
So the plot gets trapped into every week jumping bigger and bigger sharks. Characters have to do ever more unbelievably stupid things in order to give the ABGs an improbable opening (Don't not lock the doors! Don't put down all your weapons! Don't walk down that dark corridor alone unarmed! Don't split up!). So every week there has to be this HUGE predictable shark jump so the ABGs can continue to be any kind of menace.
Besides the shark jump, there's the action budget issue. The cheapest, most profitable script-page-filmed-per-commercial-minute-sold ratio comes from having our characters just standing around yakking at each other. Soap Opera Rules. Have characters exchange Long Meaningful Glances, say Cryptic Innuendoes, cut to a lot of earnest stock reaction shots to each other, have somebody walk off in a huff and, bang, you've filled another 5 minutes of airtime. Writers know this is BS, but they also know the fans will keep watching because, hey, everybody writes their shows like this so there's nothing better on to switch to.
Not to rain on anybody's parade here. The show always had potential, and it's had its moments. But the moments have gotten few and far between for me. The premise is no longer believable to me, the characters for me honestly never grew into their potential, and the shark jumps just keep getting Fonz-ier.
The virus thing is way too dark and fatalistic to sustain so they are going to have to go into another direction. At some point they may write themselves into a corner and have to have a Reboot.
My 'Reboot' premise would be Rick waking up from coma in the original hospital, it's all been a dream, but then he discovers the hospital really is abandoned, although a little different than he remembers from the first time, and The Reboot is off and running. They might do this for Season XVIII when all the original cast looks like Herschel.
Once you survive the initial shock of the pandemic/mass dieoff/loss of all techno infrastructure, further survival is pretty simple and doable. Human teeth aren't much of a weapon and TWD zombies have about the physical threat level of an Alzheimers grampa. Other human survivors would be the main threat, competing for remaining manufactured-goods resources. We all know that, so after a couple of good seasons out of following the little band to some alzheimers-biting-grampa (ABG) proof stronghold, the show's over.
So the plot gets trapped into every week jumping bigger and bigger sharks. Characters have to do ever more unbelievably stupid things in order to give the ABGs an improbable opening (Don't not lock the doors! Don't put down all your weapons! Don't walk down that dark corridor alone unarmed! Don't split up!). So every week there has to be this HUGE predictable shark jump so the ABGs can continue to be any kind of menace.
Besides the shark jump, there's the action budget issue. The cheapest, most profitable script-page-filmed-per-commercial-minute-sold ratio comes from having our characters just standing around yakking at each other. Soap Opera Rules. Have characters exchange Long Meaningful Glances, say Cryptic Innuendoes, cut to a lot of earnest stock reaction shots to each other, have somebody walk off in a huff and, bang, you've filled another 5 minutes of airtime. Writers know this is BS, but they also know the fans will keep watching because, hey, everybody writes their shows like this so there's nothing better on to switch to.
Not to rain on anybody's parade here. The show always had potential, and it's had its moments. But the moments have gotten few and far between for me. The premise is no longer believable to me, the characters for me honestly never grew into their potential, and the shark jumps just keep getting Fonz-ier.
The virus thing is way too dark and fatalistic to sustain so they are going to have to go into another direction. At some point they may write themselves into a corner and have to have a Reboot.
My 'Reboot' premise would be Rick waking up from coma in the original hospital, it's all been a dream, but then he discovers the hospital really is abandoned, although a little different than he remembers from the first time, and The Reboot is off and running. They might do this for Season XVIII when all the original cast looks like Herschel.
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By the way, I'm reminded of the plot transformation of the original 1960s LOST IN SPACE.
The show was originally conceived as seriously grim scifi drama. Dr Smith was this truly evil, openly malevolent spy/assassin/saboteur who stows away at launch, sabotages the Robinson ship, repeatedly plans to murder them all in their beds, total villain, and is completely to blame for all their crises.
The Smith character was so maniacal and such a threat that the menfolk would have had to kill him for their own safety and survival before the end of the first season. And then the plot becomes this group life sentence of trying to survive on some desert planet while grimly trying to fix the radio to signal Earth before they starve or freeze. The 'dark' premise sold, but was unsustainable over any long run.
So the producers did a 180. They rewrote Smith, with Jonathon Harris' help, as comic and nonthreatening, more slacker than villain. The entire plot lightened up and the premise morphed into a weekly sitcom about this hypochondriac shirker, a straight-man robot and a cute kid. Totally different show, but it was sustainable where Twilight Zone dark drama would not have been (or so they decided. I think it could have been a Dark Shadows like cult hit on reruns).
When the premise becomes no longer sustainable, you either reinvent the series or rewrite the premise. IMHO that's the same challenge the writers for TWD face.
My two cents. Because I really, really want to believe in this show again.
The show was originally conceived as seriously grim scifi drama. Dr Smith was this truly evil, openly malevolent spy/assassin/saboteur who stows away at launch, sabotages the Robinson ship, repeatedly plans to murder them all in their beds, total villain, and is completely to blame for all their crises.
The Smith character was so maniacal and such a threat that the menfolk would have had to kill him for their own safety and survival before the end of the first season. And then the plot becomes this group life sentence of trying to survive on some desert planet while grimly trying to fix the radio to signal Earth before they starve or freeze. The 'dark' premise sold, but was unsustainable over any long run.
So the producers did a 180. They rewrote Smith, with Jonathon Harris' help, as comic and nonthreatening, more slacker than villain. The entire plot lightened up and the premise morphed into a weekly sitcom about this hypochondriac shirker, a straight-man robot and a cute kid. Totally different show, but it was sustainable where Twilight Zone dark drama would not have been (or so they decided. I think it could have been a Dark Shadows like cult hit on reruns).
When the premise becomes no longer sustainable, you either reinvent the series or rewrite the premise. IMHO that's the same challenge the writers for TWD face.
My two cents. Because I really, really want to believe in this show again.
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That would piss off just about(if not every) every TWD fan.I don't think they'd be that stupid.
Not blown away by events so far. If they have so many issues with that fence, why not dig a trench or put up steaks or something? Why not just dump some gasoline and torch the big bundle of them together?
I don't get the Carol character either, she preaches survival, but I don't remember her being especially tough or useful throughout the entire show, pipe down lady, I hope you get eaten. The other characters are becoming pretty "meh" as well, not really anyone to cheer for.
I don't get the Carol character either, she preaches survival, but I don't remember her being especially tough or useful throughout the entire show, pipe down lady, I hope you get eaten. The other characters are becoming pretty "meh" as well, not really anyone to cheer for.