Warning and advice for liner lock owners!

The stick test. Note distance between fingers and blade. :D

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I do twisting thrusts with the knife still taped to the same stick.
 
Originally posted by The General

I am not that bothered with the CRK&T M16Z as it is not a knife I like much or carry anymore, the Benchmade is a pity though, its very cute. Cute = weak? Not so the EDC from Camillus well done Will!
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General, I've seen another Pardue Benchmade knife, a 350, fail miserably with just light taps on my knee. In this case, the lock simply wasn't broken in far enough. It was barely engaging the blade tang, so I opened it hard and scraped it along the blade tang a bit until it engaged firmly. After that, it wouldn't fail at all.

If the liner doesn't completely engage the blade tang, that's a mistake by the manufacturer, but one that's cleared up easily enough. Open the knife hard 50 times and it'll engage firmly. If it fails the spine whack now, then it's a problem.

Joe
 
Someone posted earlier that he thought that human error was involved in a lot of the lock failures. I agree with this fully. Anyone who is old enough to have learned to use folders the safe way before the days of all the different types of locks, and practice what they were taught and learned, cut themselves very rarely. I would be very reluctant to do some of the types of usage that I have seen posted with a folder,lock or no lock. Sounds like a lot of the guys need to be using a fixed blade instead of a folder. Just an old fuddy duddy with over 50 years of knive usage experience.
 
Cheers Joe I will take a close look at that.

One point in general I would like to make is in the past I also was of the opinion that I did not use a knife in a manner which really required a lock. Well that is simply no longer true, if we all used a knife expecting the lock to fail at the slightest provication we would spend more time worrying about what we were doing that getting the job done and done right now! A bad lock is far WORSE than no lock at all as it gives you a FALSE sense of security.

Think how we would all drive if a 6" spike was looking at you on the dashboard! Oh and you had no seatbelt either.

A bad lock is no joke, looking at how sharp my knives and I am sure many Formites blades are loss of fingers is a real possibility. Or at the very least a very serious cut requireing many stitches at serious cost. In my humble opinion the liner lock is a lock that cannot be trusted as well as other 'better' locks. Even the finest liner lock is still more of a 'what if' factor to me now than even a lockback. Until the last few days I never worried about what type of lock a knife had, I just bought it if I liked it. Now I am starting to worry, they are my fingers after all. A lock aught to remain solid even if you hit a paper back book or the palm of your hand.

One thing I do know, I showed a couple of non-KnifeKnut friends my M16Z today. When I showed them how easy is folded using my palm, one of my friends said something which struck a very serious chord. Quite simply he said "Do you want to drop it in the bin or shall I?"

Nuff said.
 
Just this very second recieved a very polite and as ever very helpful answer to my e-mail to customer support at Spyderco regarding my Starmate. They have even suggested I try returning the knife to the main supplier in the UK as a way of saving on the postal! That is a very cool idea and I will give them a phone on Sat.

Cheers Spyderco!
 
Walt2:

Then, in your opinion, why would a person bother to put locks on folding knife at all?

We should all just use our slip joint or friction folders properly, or just carry fixed blades even if we are not allowed into the building where we work.

With all due respect to our elders, there are folders today that are reliable for what a "tactical" folder is supposed to be reliable for, and they are not liner locks with some very rare exceptions.

So what is the intended use this guy has in mind for his tactical folders I wonder?

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Originally posted by Steve Harvey
Walt2:

Then, in your opinion, why would a person bother to put locks on folding knife at all?

We should all just use our slip joint or friction folders properly, or just carry fixed blades even if we are not allowed into the building where we work.

With all due respect to our elders, there are folders today that are reliable for what a "tactical" folder is supposed to be reliable for, and they are not liner locks with some very rare exceptions.

So what is the intended use this guy has in mind for his tactical folders I wonder?

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What I was trying to say was a lot of injuries both with knives and otherwise could be prevented by a little safety consideration in the products usage. Thank goodness we don't have the restrictive laws you guys do in your state. As far as the guys intentions in the picture?? Looks to me like he's looking for a cocked and locked .45
 
So what is the intended use this guy has in mind for his tactical folders I wonder?

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At a guess whittleing wood? Or I know! Cutting paper? Or how about leaving them on the shelf to collect dust so I don't need no new age fangled lock mithingimybob?:rolleyes:

Steve I agree with you 100%

If you give a car an airbag and it don't work, thats bad. You have airbags and pay EXTRA for them as they are a saftey feature. The important words are FEATURE and SAFTEY. A lock on a knife is a SAFTEY FEATURE, it don't work? Thats BAD!
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No excuses or bull from anyone please.

Spyderco are doing the right thing here, the honourable thing, fixing the slip up and I thank them for this. I have a lot of time for them as a company as this is the first SERIOUS flaw I have ever had with a Spyderco knife. You may wish to note I also had a Benchmade and CRK&T knife fail as well. The CRK&T knife is not worth the trouble to send back I will see if I can fix it myself. I will e-mail Benchmade about the 855 and see what happens... :eek:
 
OwenM:

Yup! Over and over!

Walt2:

You are right. That is definitely the "All righty then. Who stole my Glock?" look.
 
I have just sent this to Benchmade and will see what happens... I have removed my surname for this cut and paste.

Hello, my name is Wayne ******** (aka The General on your Forum, Bladeforums and Knifeforums) I had some problems in the past with my 800 HS AFCK, you might remember me. Well this time it is my 855 knife with problems. It has failed the spine whack test with ease. Into the palm of my hand no less. Now the last several e-mails I have sent you have never been returned with regards to me not being able to post to the Benchmade Forum any more. I hope you will not hold this against me as I have a genuine problem (again!) with a Benchmade product. This is otherwise a great little knife and one I am proud to own. Can you advise me if there is a simple fix to prevent the lock failing or advise me as to my best course of action. I have under no circumstances opened this knife up as I understand this would void the warranty. I have however adjusted the tension of the pivot screw to try and fix the problem. No luck.

I hope you at least consider my problem and let me know what you can do to help a customer in need.

Cheers!

Wayne ************** (UK)
 
Originally posted by The General
I don't know why but something tells me you are talking about a CRK&T knife? Am I right?
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No it was not a CRK&t it was a Outdoor Edge Impulse. Has anybody else had any problems with these ? I had two but only one failed on me.
 
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