Warranty Mishap

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I don't have the patience to tell the entire story. It would fill an entire page! I know what a normal p2 is supposed to be like and I assure you that this one was not right. There was more
Steel missing from the edge than I could Sharpen away in years, the lock was ridiculously sticky and there was a crazy amount of blade play.
As far as other bad knives goes I have had to return to the vendor a Millie and an endura because the person that sharpen The knife fell asleep with the knife on the grinder.

I really hate to add to the dog pile again, but I too have noticed this problem as of late. (mainly with the Golden knives)

I expect some variance in blade length from the factory with any hand sharpened knife, but with a few P2's and millies I've bought lately, there is as much as 1/8 inch of difference between various blades. 1/8 of an inch doesn't sound like a lot, but when you take into account just how much sharpening it takes to remove that much steel it makes you think "wtf?"

I am very neurotic about blade length, so this in particular bugs me. Wish they were more consistent than that. A couple thou or maybe even millimeters I can handle, but 1/8 inch is a little too much.
 
I hear ya CTS, and agree. My experiences with their CS was terrific. It's just disheartening to read of so many negative experiences, or percieved to be negative.

I don't have the patience to tell the entire story. It would fill an entire page! I know what a normal p2 is supposed to be like and I assure you that this one was not right. There was more
Steel missing from the edge than I could Sharpen away in years, the lock was ridiculously sticky and there was a crazy amount of blade play.
As far as other bad knives goes I have had to return to the vendor a Millie and an endura because the person that sharpen The knife fell asleep with the knife on the grinder.
Let me just ask, do some of your knives look as if they were oversharpened?, near the handle in particular?
 
Where's the Spydercrew on this one? I love Spyderco, but negative CS is a big issue. Maybe somebody should link this thread on the Spyderco.com forum.
 
I hear ya CTS, and agree. My experiences with their CS was terrific. It's just disheartening to read of so many negative experiences, or percieved to be negative.


Let me just ask, do some of your knives look as if they were oversharpened?, near the handle in particular?

It varies from knife to knife. For example, the m390 millie I just got is ground perfectly straight in front of the choil while one of my XHP millies has a very pronounced 'dip' in front of the choil. This little variance doesn't really bug me but what I don't like is when I hold 2 of the same model knife side by side and one blade is clearly smaller(length and height) than the other by a significant amount. The 'dip' near the choil on the XHP is ok because that portion of the knife doesn't do much cutting and the rest of the blade looks like a millie should. The millie and endura I returned were over sharpened across the entire blade to the point that they just looked silly. We all know that spyderco knives are hand sharpened and there will be some variation but there needs to be more consistency.
 
We're watching the thread. Sorry for those that are not happy. We're looking into it.

Hey CTS, did you ever send me that Native that caused the big "Hey Rube" that you said you would send to me?

sal
 
Thanks for posting Sal. I didn't mean to create a fuss, but I do think it's a good thing that a few of these things are coming out.
 
I hate that this seems like a dog pile. I mean I'm pretty certain all of us here are avid Spyderco collectors and fans and for the most part Spyderco gets it right.
Its just when a problem arises with your knife the warranty/ customer service department aren't as smooth as could or should be. But if I had to give Spyderco
credit for what they're ncredibly great at its listening to their customers. I'm sure Spyderco will take care of it.
 
I hate that this seems like a dog pile. I mean I'm pretty certain all of us here are avid Spyderco collectors and fans and for the most part Spyderco gets it right.
Its just when a problem arises with your knife the warranty/ customer service department aren't as smooth as could or should be. But if I had to give Spyderco
credit for what they're ncredibly great at its listening to their customers. I'm sure Spyderco will take care of it.

I agree. The way I got it back, it wouldn't pass for a 2nd.
 
It varies from knife to knife. For example, the m390 millie I just got is ground perfectly straight in front of the choil while one of my XHP millies has a very pronounced 'dip' in front of the choil. This little variance doesn't really bug me but what I don't like is when I hold 2 of the same model knife side by side and one blade is clearly smaller(length and height) than the other by a significant amount. The 'dip' near the choil on the XHP is ok because that portion of the knife doesn't do much cutting and the rest of the blade looks like a millie should. The millie and endura I returned were over sharpened across the entire blade to the point that they just looked silly. We all know that spyderco knives are hand sharpened and there will be some variation but there needs to be more consistency.

Thank you. I also have a couple of knives (Golden made) that look the same way. Specifically, I think this began with the CF S90V Para2. i,ve caught it on the 20CP, and XHP Military. Yes, the knives were sharp as anyone could ask for, but it does appear that some life had been scrubbed off by the sharpening. Not a huge deal in my eyes, but it was noticeable. I will still continue to buy them as many others, just wondering what happened.
 
I've been on this thread saying some negative things so now i'm going to throw in a positive just so the spyderco crew and everyone else knows I'm not just starting crap, that this is a legitimate issue. I've owned around 40 spydercos never ever ever had a QC issue ever, every knife has been perfect, I have a para 2 that i carry daily and i don't baby it at all, I build car frames for a living and this knife has hit metal, its cut things it aint supposed to cut , and the knife is still perfect, same with my manix 2s all are perfect, well even my enduras and delicas are all strong. I would not hesitate to buy a spyderco again, even though i said otherwise in a previous post, It just really pisses me off that from the sound of it we got a certain employee who doesn't want to answer the phone and when the employee does answer the phone they are rude. The purpose of me posting my problem was not to turn anyone away from spyderco, because they do make kick ass knives, I understand when you make production products your gonna have bad ones come out, as said i make car frames and we have bad ones every single day. I believe this is just an employee problem and not a spyderco problem. After i checked the thread and saw that Sal indeed got my e-mail i have full faith that this issue will be resolved and that something positive will come out of this thread for us the customer, and spyderco.Sal is a stand up guy, i mean i've never read a bad thing about him, you dont get that kind of reputation from doing people wrong. I will chime in again when my knife gets back from the factory.
 
if i can chime in with my experience, i've always had a good contact with CS by mail, no phone as i'm in europe and i can't really speak english very well.
they always replied within a couple of days, for informations or screws/clip request ... always received the parts quite fast ... no problem on this.

regarding sprint runs, imho this is just plain not acceptable. i clearly understand the sprint run thing, it's limited, that's the point. but loosening the tolerances and saying that a knife that's clearly defective is within specs because they have no way to fix it is not acceptable. i've followed a thread on this and if i where the owner i think this would certainly stop me from buying any more spyderco. keeping some spare parts is the bare minimum, i've never heard something like this in any industry of any sort, like you buy a special product, you preorder for getting it, you wait, and if it's defective ... what ? nothing? no service at all ?

for the lenght differences, i've had this on my XHP milie, and what bothers me is not the missing lenght and height (very noticeable) what bothers me is that the oversharpened blade has the cutting edge in a thicker part of the blade, my XHP one doesn't have the thin tip my other milies have, that's no big deal, it has replaced my digicam S30V as a "beater" milie but i expected something thinner.

on a side note, those threads can look alarming, but keep in mind that the few people that posted here are not very representative of all the knives in circulation or CS experiences. only the bad exemple show up...
 
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I consider myself very lucky. Over the years I've had about 30 different Spyderco knives and have never had to send one in for service. The only times I've ever called Golden was to buy pocket clips. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
 
I have my first Spyderco on its way to me and it's a sprint run.

I sure hope I don't have to deal with warranty service, I know faults are a norm in production but bad manners and rudeness are unacceptable.
Poor after sales service just leaves the impression of not caring.

The over grinding of the blades has me concerned, I simply won't accept an overground blade which is out of spec.

This reminds me of Omega, a quality product with great design but dealing with Swatch Group Service is a gamble, watches being returned with scratches, dents, finger prints in the hands and movement etc.
As an Omega customer I dread having to deal with Swatch Group Service.
 
The thing is, I could buy a $30 Buck or Kershaw at Walmart and receive top quality service for life. Spydercos aren't cheap, I would think they could afford better shop supervisors and Customer Service. I guess they spend all their budget on design and exotic steels, then give the scraps to the workers. Honestly, I can't support a company that might not support me in the future. It sucks because I love Spyderco knives, but there are other companies to go to.
 
Spyderco is my favorite production company and I don't see that changing anytime in the future. My experience with their customer service was top notch. Im sure these problems will be fixed because Sal can take criticism better then a few other heads of company's I have seen on this forum (not going to name names).
 
Well i promised an update here it is. I e-mailed spyderco again today, and i recieved an e-mail back. I'm not gonna copy and paste the e-mail but ill hit the points. She told me my knife had came up for repair and would be shipping out on Monday. She apologized if i felt ignored and told me that was not their intentions at all, she remembered the contents of the e-mails i sent her, how i have carpel tunnel and to excuse my hand writing. She also explained how she was the only one in the warranty and repair to answer phones,e-mails and to log the knives in as well. She explained they have a high volume of knives at the moment and they do not contact customers when knives arrive or depart only if there is a problem. I want to publicly apologize to the spyderco crew for jumping to conclusions about the warranty and repair department, I assumed i was just being ignored by them and this is not the case at all, I understand now why I haven't been able to reach anyone as spyderco makes lots of knives and to have 1 person doing all the sorting to say shes got a huge workload is an understatement. So Charlynn i do apologize for rushing to judgment against you, and i appreciate the return e-mail, Sal and whoever else read this thread thank you as well, My faith is renewed in Spyderco, now I'm off to buy an m390 para 2. My intentions never were to bash the company, I just was wondering about my knife, so i thought it should be brought to someones attention. I've said it a million times Sal is a class act, and so are the spyderco crew.
 
I really hate to add to the dog pile again, but I too have noticed this problem as of late. (mainly with the Golden knives)

I expect some variance in blade length from the factory with any hand sharpened knife, but with a few P2's and millies I've bought lately, there is as much as 1/8 inch of difference between various blades. 1/8 of an inch doesn't sound like a lot, but when you take into account just how much sharpening it takes to remove that much steel it makes you think "wtf?"

I am very neurotic about blade length, so this in particular bugs me. Wish they were more consistent than that. A couple thou or maybe even millimeters I can handle, but 1/8 inch is a little too much.

CTS, can you show us some examples ? That's a large difference. I've not seen that in my little over 20 years of Spyderco's and over 200 not counting the ones I used to sell. Thanks,

Joe
 
i can't post a pic right now but i'll answer for him.

i have my M4,a mint S30V and XHP milie in my hands right now. M4 and S30V are similar side by side, i've not bothered measuring both took the M4 to compare.

the XHP measures 3 and a hair mm less than the M4 from ricasso just where the hole meets to the tip, measured with a digital caliper. the XHP and m4 are sharpened, i've just raised a burr once on the XHP, the m4 actually has seen much more use/sharpening.

blade height at the ricasso on the M4 is 32mm, barely 30 on the XHP.

anyway i don't see this as a big problem, we're talking about milimeters here, i won't complain about blade life lost, it sounds really unrealistic to expect perfect consistency on production goods, i'll take a properly hand sharpened and honed blade out of the box for some length variations.
 
I'll add my .02 cents. I love Spyderco, but for now on when I want to be mistreated instead of calling W&R, I'll just tell my wife she looks fat in her new sweater.
 
Ive only communicated with Charlynn per mail, and she's replied to every mail ive sent promptly and politely.
 
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