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Nothing is wrong with Cold Steal. Oh yeah:jerkit:
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Different viewpoints are what make this forum (and life in general) interesting, albeit challenging at times. I'm glad you said "Educated knife enthusiasts are not the focus of CS marketing" or other forum members, myself included, might have taken offence. If you don't like CS products or business practices that's fine - you're entitled to an opinion that may be based on personal experience. I haven't had any negatives, and from some of the other positive posts it would appear that I am not alone. I'm pleased to see that you didn't actually say their products are crap, which IMO would be the primary reason to not buy a product. As to value for money - that's a valid consideration but not the sole criterion on which buying decisions are made.
Sure - there are some CS models that could be placed in the mall-ninja category - but that could arguably be applied to a lot of other knives including some Busse models, balisongs, OTF's, stilettoes and kukri's. How would you categorise the CS Sisu? - one of the most elegant production knives I have ever seen - hardly something a mall-ninja would be toting is it?
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sisu= ridiculously overpriced copy of a traditional Scandinavian design. and with vastly inferior steel. Here is a hint: laminated steel is supposed to have premium steel in the middle, not low end stainless. for the price of a sisu, you could get any number of vastly superior traditional Scandinavian blades, and best of all your money doesn't go into the pockets of a giant douche.
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Interesting rant - still not a mall-ninja though is it? - I see from the Fallkniven website that the F1 is also made using a VG10 laminate - hmmm - Swedish Army must've really f'd up on that one - and after 8 years development too.
BTW I do have other Scandi's - none are as elegant as the Sisu - I bought mine because I like the way it looks . Yes, it is based on traditional scandi designs (CS says this on their website) but has oriental influences that I find interesting and unique. I certainly don't have any complaints about it's quality of finish. Mr Thompson hasn't ever done anything to offend me personally so I don't have a problem with handing over some of my hard earned cash to him and intend to buy more CS products in the future.
End of the day - you buy the knives you want for your reasons and I'll buy my knives for mine. I think we'd better just agree to disagree on this topic before it gets personal
First, where is that written in some uber secret knife codec that is known only to a selected few? That is what you want it to be. Laminated steel is laminated steel there are no requirements for "premium" in it. Second, does this make the performance of the knife suck? If so bring some facts to the table. Again it is about LT and not the knife
The key is it's his money and it can fund any douche that he likes. He likes his Sisu. You prefer to line the pockets of other vaginal hygiene products. America, the land of choice, isn't it great
I'm not a big stainless fan usually. I really liked their Carbon V knives, I think the Master Hunter and SRK are 2 of my all time favorites. Great steel, as Case, Becker, and Marbles can all attest to.
Having said that, I'm not a huge fan of their advertising, it seems aimed at 16 yr. old boys. But I do like some of their "unique" non-knife things, diversity is a good thing.
Having said that, I'm not a huge fan of their advertising, it seems aimed at 16 yr. old boys. But I do like some of their "unique" non-knife things, diversity is a good thing.
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Cold Steel knives that I own:
-AK-47
-Med. clip point Voyager
-Double Agent 2
I love all of these knives, and would buy Cold Steel again without hesitation.
I also own and love Spyderco, Rat Cutlery and Benchmade.
The Cold Steels feel good, sharp as hell and very very solid. Decent price point.
I don't know about the business practices of Lynn Thompson, but he seems to be a fellow knife enthusiast, so can't be all bad?
-AK-47
-Med. clip point Voyager
-Double Agent 2
I love all of these knives, and would buy Cold Steel again without hesitation.
I also own and love Spyderco, Rat Cutlery and Benchmade.
The Cold Steels feel good, sharp as hell and very very solid. Decent price point.
I don't know about the business practices of Lynn Thompson, but he seems to be a fellow knife enthusiast, so can't be all bad?
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ah, now there is the heart of it isn't it? You obviously don't like Mr Thompson so you have some fairly well-developed bias towards Cold Steel. I like some of their products, many of their designs are interesting because they go outside of the 'same old'. Mind you, I agree with you about the pricing and would buy very few of their folders, but I buy the knife that appeals to my needs, or tastes. Why only live for being completely serious about something? Makes life duller. Ya Lynn Thompson is a douchebag, but as long as his company markets blades I like, he'll get some of my money.
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VG1 is not the same thing as VG10
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Unbunch your panties for a second.
When they are charging an excessive premium for a knife based on its fabulous "San Mai III laminated steel" one would assume it is a top end premium steel, must be better than ATS34/ZDP189/ATS34 Laminate at that price! . . . That is not the case. It is not a premium steel, despite the claims of the Cold Steal lie factory. And laminating steel is nothing special. You can get laminated steel knives for a few dollars.
LT is just icing on the cake. If you want a good laugh and an insight into the BS that is Cold Steal, simply read their warranty sometime.
I have issue with disreputable shysters like LT and the ethically challenged who support his ilk, but you cannot separate the company from LT. LT is the company. And LT steals designs. That makes him and his company parasites of the knife world.
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Mora's come to mind
You say this like it's a bad thing. Ignorant mall ninjas' money is just as good as anybody's
The same could have been said for Spyderco for a while. To some extent, it still can. This is one of the silliest of the recurring criticisms of Cold Steel.
It would seem they couldn't survive by actually stealing. But what's a little drama between knife nuts?
This may true. I wouldn't know. I've never bought a warranty. I buy knives.
They charge exactly what the market will bear. The same way Buck sells expensive knives in 420HC.
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I stand corrected :foot:
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Have they ever been found guilty of patent infringement?Sure, why would anyone take facts seriously? Lies are so much more entertaining.
By all means, try to refute the facts.
Anyone know the outcome of this?
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I kindly agree with this reply. Though I don't own many Cold Steel products myself, the CS knives are tremendously popular in my part of the woods. From sportsmen, survival instructors, hunting and fishing guides, etc., they are everywhere out here in the west (especially the Carbon V variety). Most knife consumers don't follow the politics of knife companies. Knife forum people...another story.
A bunch of people buying garbage doesn't make it not garbage.
Bear in mind, "most knife consumers" also think paying more than $40.00 for a folding knife is ridiculous.
I was walking through Lowe's today, and I noticed that Appalachian Trail--a maker of cheap knockoff knives--is now making copies of the Lone Wolf Paul series of knives with the pivot button lock.
I have no doubt that plenty of hard-working people will buy and enjoy these knives, and think they're just fantastic--even though they're a dirt cheap, poorly made version of a knife most of these people will probably never even know exists.
And if that's how you're comfortable spending your money as a consumer, by all means, go right ahead.
Just don't be surprised that people on a knife messageboard aren't lining up to pat you on the back for it.
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That really about sums it up, and I couldn't agree more.
Having owned two Voyagers, one was given to me and the other was my own purchase, I can say that neither one has impressed me much. I lost one, thats how little I carried them. The other got relegated to the tool box. The molded clip got broken off years ago and the tip has been reground several times. It rarely sees the light of day.