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Wdup with cold steel?
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That's another thing. People say "if they are stealing designs, they would be sued" Well, they are sued, but the fact is, a big company all lawyer-ed up like CS makes for a long drawn out legal battle that might never end. LT might be a scumbag, but he isn't stupid. An individual or small company suing a big company is often an exercise in futility, and prohibitively expensive.
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I think the VG-1 models are made in Japan. But don't quote me on that. 
@shecky:
Before I forget:
@shecky:
So you don't care what kind of warranty a company offer? A lot of companies would appreciate having you as a customer.
Are you serious? Spyderco has produced knives in Golden for a long, long time and Cold Steel has produced knives in the US for how long? And where is their factory? Oh wait, they don't have one...
Before I forget:
I think the VG-1 models are made in Japan. But don't quote me on that.
What's VG-1 comparable to? Thanks.
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This might be helpful: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=409934
And a bonus: How Cold Steel Screwed Up the Voyager Series
And a bonus: How Cold Steel Screwed Up the Voyager Series
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I don't know what other steel it is directly comparable with, but this chart shows it to be the lowest grade of VG series steel.
http://www.e-tokko.com/eng_original_list.htm
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composition of VG-1, close to MBS-26 or 19C27, high carbon stainless
http://www.e-tokko.com/eng_vg1.htm
http://www.e-tokko.com/eng_vg1.htm
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who makes something like the hatamoto?
Most companies make a tanto with no discernible difference from the competition.
and i agree that the only thing that need be said about them is look at their warranty. they talk THE MOST shit, and back it up THE LEAST.
they also undercut their dealers with direct sales. shitty move.
and you know all those TVs and DVDs they give away? you think they can sell you a $50 knife for $50 when they bought the dealer a $50 TV, and $20 in DVDs and then shipped it all? no. That $50 knife becomes the $115 Voyager.
Most companies make a tanto with no discernible difference from the competition.
and i agree that the only thing that need be said about them is look at their warranty. they talk THE MOST shit, and back it up THE LEAST.
they also undercut their dealers with direct sales. shitty move.
and you know all those TVs and DVDs they give away? you think they can sell you a $50 knife for $50 when they bought the dealer a $50 TV, and $20 in DVDs and then shipped it all? no. That $50 knife becomes the $115 Voyager.
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you mean like Benchmade, Spyderco, Kabar, Buck, etc.?
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I've owned and carried a number of Cold Steel products over the years. The Vaquero Grande, Culloden, and Safekeeper III are all very good products. Do not care for the majority of the newer designs. And the Givory "Nightshade" series is total garbage.
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probably because they're just big, dull, plastic pretend "knives"
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Wow that is strange. What was the case about? SOG and Cold Steel are two of the most disappointing companies in recent years for me. In fact along with Gerber they are all knife makers that I used to really like back in the 70's and 80's but in the last 20 years have really let me down.
I actually think SOG is the worst in terms of downfall and lack of originality, so it seems strange for them to be suing CS to me.
Can't really talk about the other companies, but I'm just curious, how does this happen? Flicking through the Spyderco website, the prices they sell their knives for are a fair bit higher than dealers like NGK and so on. I seem to remember someone (might have been Sal) saying that their website prices were meant to encourage people to buy from the dealers, but don't quote me on that one since I might be wrong on that one.
That said, I do remember BM and NGK having an... interesting... relationship.
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I actually like cold steel knives.
Not all, but a fair amount of them. In my experiences, they have had good edge retention and have generally served me well. I am sure I can do better, but I am 16, hell I am probably in that "phase".
I am currently looking into the recon 1, it seems like it would open excellently with me having a bum hand and all. The blades have proven their worth through extensive testing, of course the testing was not performed by cold steel employees, rather survivalists, torture testers and myself included.
I only carry my Kobun for self-defense these days, my leatherman wave is my primary E.D.C, but I'd probably be carrying other cold steel knives if I had the money in which to purchase them.
Not all, but a fair amount of them. In my experiences, they have had good edge retention and have generally served me well. I am sure I can do better, but I am 16, hell I am probably in that "phase".
I am currently looking into the recon 1, it seems like it would open excellently with me having a bum hand and all. The blades have proven their worth through extensive testing, of course the testing was not performed by cold steel employees, rather survivalists, torture testers and myself included.
I only carry my Kobun for self-defense these days, my leatherman wave is my primary E.D.C, but I'd probably be carrying other cold steel knives if I had the money in which to purchase them.
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they all charge msrp, which makes sense as they are the manufacturers. SFO does sell some stuff at a considerable discount (like the T-Mag) but I was just pointing out that plenty of knife companies sell their own product while distributing to retail as well. Special Projects will sell below msrp, but still higher than pretty much any of the popular retail sites. So you can pay msrp to cold steel, slight discount to special projects, or a much more highly discounted price, everywhere else. Their annual sale in CA would be the only good deals, for those who can go.
Educated knife enthusiasts are not the focus of Cold Steal's marketing. They Market to the Ignorant/mall ninja types.
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I agree %100. I think the important thing to note is not to take this personally. All I am reading from this is the thrust of CS's marketing is not the educated knife person. The best way to see this is to read the inside front cover of their catalog where Cold Steel discusses the steel it uses in their knives. They say that their VG-1 is better than ATS-34, 154CM, VG-10, etc. By what standard? These are measurable things. They are simply trying to overwhelm the uneducated reader with a lot of steel types whereas the knife nut type will see this statement as false or misleading immediately.
Now, this doesn't mean Cold Steel knives suck.They don't, in a manner of speaking (say compared to Frost). But for the person who really cares about materials, Cold Steel is simply not the best value for the money. Add Lynn Thompson's silly @ss to this equation, and you get a formula for disliking CS knives.
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I agree %100. I think the important thing to note is not to take this personally. All I am reading from this is the thrust of CS's marketing is not the educated knife person. The best way to see this is to read the inside front cover of their catalog where Cold Steel discusses the steel it uses in their knives. They say that their VG-1 is better than ATS-34, 154CM, VG-10, etc. By what standard? These are measurable things. They are simply trying to overwhelm the uneducated reader with a lot of steel types whereas the knife nut type will see this statement as false or misleading immediately.
Now, this doesn't mean Cold Steel knives suck.They don't, in a manner of speaking (say compared to Frost). But for the person who really cares about materials, Cold Steel is simply not the best value for the money. Add Lynn Thompson's silly @ss to this equation, and you get a formula for disliking CS knives.