Welcome MVPKNIFE!

I certainly have no idea. However it is a good question. Then again would you believe or trust any answer? I really do not want to be casting aspirsions it is none of my business I simply wanted to show and state what was my understanding. No one owes any explanations or has violated any legalitys. The way things are going I may have to liquidate my collection to make sure it is saved by ( those who care private collectors) in order to preseve it at least piece by piece. The reason I did not buy the Schrade collection was because I did not feel that financially I could keep it together ( preserve it ). As I have mentioned before. I do not have the backing or associates of Smokey or Mr Taylor. Nor do I wish to. Frankly I am fed up with the entire subject It seems that very few people are aware or care and it is old news. However if you think that this is the end of further nefarious enterprises from this area my opinions are that you delude yourself . Nail me once shame on you nail me twice shame on me. Good luck to all. LT
 
I, for one, greatly appreciate your showing the pictures of the collection as it was. And would be pleased to see more.
Codger
 
redshanks said:
When MVPKNIFE surfaced here a couple of days ago, I was hoping he would stick around and respond to some of these same concerns. I doubt now that we'll ever see him again. Is Smoky going to add and display any of these knives at his museum? Why sell off ALL of the Schrades, surely these are as significant as many of the other knife collections on permanent display.
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I was in SMKW's a couple of weeks ago and asked about the collection, the clerk said that to his knowledge it was all going to be sold off and doubted any of it would be displayed in the Museum which will open in a few months
 
Did he mention whether or not they were in posession of the Camillus collection still? I wonder if Camillus reclaimed it when they sold off their interest in SMKW.
Codger
 
As LT has pointed out, no laws have been broken.

It is however, a sad commentary on our society when the man's word is no longer binding. They told LT that they were going to keep the collection together, obviously that has not happened. Personally, I am through with Taylor Cutlery. I have never been fond of their products. Now I have even more reason not to purchase anything from them.

I could even understand if MVP had stayed around and answered a few questions. It may have been that the investment in the Schrade collection was more money than they anticipated and were able to sustain, thereby necessitating the collection's liquidation. I suppose we will never know because MVP did not stick around to defend his honor. This tells me they really don't care. If the man's honor is not worth defending, he must not have any.

Just my $.02 and MHO
Dale
 
Realisticly speaking, I seriously doubt that MVPKNIFE was the owner of SMKW. I believe that is more likely the moniker is used by a SMKW employee to sell some of the knives on ebay. If that is the case, expressing ire in that direction does not do any more good than doing the same to a lowly counter clerk at your Wal-Mart store for something corporate management is responsible for. Just my opinion.

Codger
 
I don't know who told LT that they would keep the collection together. It would be nice if that person would come to the forum and explain why they have not done so.
Having spent many years in retail management, I do know the clerks pass their customer's complaints on up the ladder. I have heard many customer complaints, (as well as employee complaints), in my years of retail management.
It may not be totally a lost cause. Maybe Mr. Pipes or one of his partners will choose to come here and defend his/their position........ but I'm not holding my breath.

IMHO, it is all about making money, with little or nothing to do about honor and integrity.
 
BK420 said:
I was in SMKW's a couple of weeks ago and asked about the collection, the clerk said that to his knowledge it was all going to be sold off and doubted any of it would be displayed in the Museum which will open in a few months
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Might've missed something here , but appears BK420 is new to the Forum..

WELCOME !! BK420!!!

Others will be along soon with a spirited forum welcome, you just happened in on a very intense discussion....

I was in SMKW back in December - didn't leave anything with them for their "economic" properity however !!!

regards,

dannyb
 
As a greenhorn on this forum,I was not completely sure about the where all the smoke was coming from.
So,I went over to the bay to see.
Lo and behold,my suspicions were confirmed !!

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Well, here we go, The Schrade Factory Collection!!! In October of 2004 Smoky Mountain Knife Works and our very good friends in the cutlery business, Blue Ridge Knives, purchased the entire Factory Collection from bankruptcy court. We spent a lot of time running through the regular finished product and we have now decided to start selling this spectacular group of knives that were at one time displayed at the Schrade factory in Ellenville. We are very excited to offer parts of this wonderful collection to our great customers here on ebay. Over the next couple of months you will have the opportunity to bid on a lot of great collectibles. These items will include several antique Schrade-Walden & Schrade Cut. Co. knives, Hammer Brand knives, knives from the Mirando collection, some great old Imperial knives and many other knives built by Schrade over the years for other companies. Some other items will include the 1,000,000th LB7 to come off the production line, the serial #000 75th Anniversary Stag Clasp knife with custom filework by Herman Williams and the last great project by the Schrade Cutlery Co., a one-of-a-kind Diamond encrusted 100th Anniversary Stag Bowie. Original Schrade knives are already and are destined to remain some of the hottest collectibles on the market, so don't miss out on your chance to add some great knives to your collection. All knives will come with a Certificate of Authenticity signed by Phil Martin, Pres. of Blue Ridge Knives and Kevin Pipes, Pres. of Smoky Mountain Knife Works. Each COA will be printed with the items description and the date purchased. We have included a picture of a blank copy of the certificate below
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It's a shame the gentleman didn't have oysters enough to stick around and talk.
Ron
 
I was told the information when I was deciding whether to place a bid on the collection by the then president of Schrade. However later that day the information was given out to everyone there, which included many prominent people some well known in the field.

Micheal I appreciate your opinion and respect you and your right to it. I was not in the same line of work as yourself as such apparently we sometimes seem to draw different conclusions on circumstances. In law enforcment while feelings and hunchs may lead you in correct directions and correct conclusions until affirmed by facts that is all they are.

While it is not a big deal either way I do not from the information given see how you can draw a conclusion on who signed in under the MVPKNIFE. However it is certainly your right. Nor do I care apparently who ever it was did so for whatever reason they had and has excercised free will and perhapes common sense by not responding to any questions or possible intimidation that they are under no obligation to subject themselves.

Once again from the information given, and the llimited knowledge predetermining who signed in under that name is like predetermining what Schrade would have done in the future. I know I am the only one who should be using my sign in but you are correct that is a big outfit and may do things different.

While I do not want to heap anything not deserved on anybody. I also do not feel it is correct to soften or condon with the unconfirmed, or prophecy or what could be.. If I were to do that then I would have to take the others side of the coin and call them Low life lying, commy loving, dirtbags and I would never do that since it would mean calling in my feelings as fact, even though in this case most of those negative statments can be shown at least to some extent be factual.

I have no desire to persue any type of indictment or accusations. They are people who function within the law I am neither in a position or nor do I feel that I have any right to say anything regarding there legal endeavers. I have only stated what I believe to be factual. It has come to my attention that plans to divest the collection were made almost immediately upon it being acquired.. It was supposed to be bought sold and forgotten. Well two out of three ain't bad pretty soon it will also be a forgotten bit of history.

In conclusion it is my opinion that this will happen soon enough without inuendos which appear to give them pluses which ( IT IS MY OPINION ) they do not deserve. In this case I do not see a reason to give a benefit of the doubt.

LT
 
No way I can add much to this thread. There was, a couple of years ago, a photo/writeup in smokey catalogs showing a gent behind a counter-- I forget his name-- who was handling SMKW 'collectibles'-- buying and selling. Perhaps he is MVPknife. I don't know nor care. I do see that that entity frequently buys on ebay, and he does know his knives. Or knows what will sell at profit, I guess. Anyone have an old catalog?

Whatever. Doubtful he will return, doubtful SMKW pays him enough to take abuse from us. He is an employee of that company; it is his job to do his employer's bidding. Maybe he is, maybe he is not happy about it. I dunna know.
 
MVPKNIFE is here to stay, make all the comments you like. I know you guys are not happy that this collection was broke up but do you not realize that Schrade Cutlery was bankrupt????? Hello???? All of this product was about to be offered at public auction, what do you think would have happened then. The auction company (and the bank) had every intention of selling these items piece by piece but we simply made the deal beforhand and here we are. And LT, no deal was ever made or even breached upon to keep this collection whole, get your facts straight. No ofense but we made the deal with the bank, do you think they really cared what happened to the collection... NO, all they were concerned with was money, plain and simple. you should all be pleased to know that several of these panels have been preserved and will be on display here in our store and we would love for all of you to come by and check them out in our new addition. As I said MVPKNIFE is here to stay, you may not see us here everyday, we do have some work to do, but I will check in as often as possible. I am looking forward to some great discussions with all of you. Best regards, Jay Parker
 
Jay, thanks for sticking around. I look forward to whatever knowledge you can share. Are you from the same family as Jim Parker? Is Lisa Parker related to you? It seems like I have done a lot of business with Parkers down Tennessee way.
 
Jim was my Uncle, I sure do miss him. Lisa is my step-mother, been doing some sells on ebay for my Dad, John Parker. Dad was the co-founder of SMKW along with Kevin Pipes nearly 30 years ago so I have been in this business my whole life. I come by it honest without a doubt. thanks for giving me a pleasant welcome, I look forward to speaking with you more. JP
 
Jay, with your experience and knowledge of the business, and especially with all of the Schrades that Smoky has on hand, I would expect you to be a valuable resource for information on Schrade knives.
 
Well Well Well an honor. Please stay but not as big brother, jump right in. Lurking is a sign of weakness. Yes it was supposed to be offered to the public I and you knew collectors who were chaffing at the bit to buy these items some to preserve them some to sell them. Now the only difference is that you sold it to whoever you wanted to instead of giving everyone a fair shot. I also know the big name dealers who got first divvys on a lot of stuff from you instead of an equal auction. What would have happened at a auction was just what happened now, except the recipiants were chosen by you and you made money and kicked up the prices for you. (ie the automatic board and fosolone collection) It also totaly disseminated with no historical way to preserve individual items on ebay. Well at least those items went to people who will appreciate them even though they will never understand where they fit in the overall picture. The original auction would have driven UP prices not down which also is something the bank did not want or they would have let Schrade collect on the million knives it had sold at the time of closure. Which became part of the WIP lot that you received 7 trailer trucks loads of for a pitience. So much stuff that someone down there called Schrade and said stop sending you have fullfilled you 30,000 dollar obligation. Gee how do I make this up. Well for one thing I was there. So what did your act of self sacrifice do it made you a profit and broke it down even further than it would have been and let you pick and choose who bought it. After these dealers bought it who do you think they called to sell it to. Ok thats what you are in business for now tell me once again that PIpes did not say he would hold on to the collection and made an offer to sell it back if it could be preseved. In stead it STARTED TO BE DISEMBOWELLED immediately upon being bought. Your right the bank did want your deal to go through for all the reasons I have posted since it happened. As far as Schrade being bankrupt I am glad you informed me I also enjoyed your condecending HELLO??? I was offered a chance to put in a blanket bid I did not because I had been informed that your intention was to preserve it. I felt that was the thing to do. I could not do that ( preserve it intact) so I passed. I have dealt with you folks in the past I knew your (edited. uncle) ( my condolences ) and as I have mentioned before got along with him as i have with you, in the past, I understand you are in business however please HELLO???? you don't have to pet that puppy so hard. Just come out and say what went on, there was more collusion in this deal than Watergate. From what I understand the amount you have saved for display was a token which further verifys that you stated and intimated that the collection would be kept intact, so you kept a couple pieces together for that reason and not the historical purpose ( history dosen't make money). I am glad you will be around even if it took a little proding to get you to speak up. Heck I am just one guy and you folks are big time but, I will be around also. Just so the deck stays straight. LT.
 
Bladeforums.com is thoughtful enough to provide an 'ignore user' feature.

Edited to remove my comment made in bad taste and ignorance.
 
Death transends a lot. Once again I am sorry for your loss I feel one thing has nothing to do with another and sorrow like death is universal. I know you were not aware Phil. LT
 
aha, now I know where he went!!

years ago I banished 'NotMee' from my house (you know, whenever you ask little people "Who did that?" the answer was usually "NotMee!".)

well, it appears that he wandered all the way down to them thar hills of Tennessee!

of course, being upstanding, truthful, honest, moral, ethical and trustworthy businessmen, you only did what was "right" with all the truckloads of material from the Schrade factory

and, since the 'poor 'ol bank' needed your help, you were only too glad to help another rightous, upstanding business out

sorry, my head is hurting from falling off the turnip truck!!!
 
MVP;

From the genealogy you have given, then you and James are cousins, correct? Is he independent, or does he likewise have "association" with SMKW??? Just curious.....

dannyb
 
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