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Welcome to Ingsoc: British Scout Assoc. bans knives...

looks like it's a move that's a tad throw back in time.
oh well, it's about time the next genertation of boys start learning how to make stone age flit implements.
that would be true back to nature experience, stone axe and all!
 
no one addresses the real problem.....all these violent video games sex and murder on the news nightly. id rather ban tv and video games than ban knives.
 
mcjhrobinson said:
no one addresses the real problem.....all these violent video games sex and murder on the news nightly. id rather ban tv and video games than ban knives.
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I don't think that violent media can cause a regular, "mild mannered" child or adult to become violent enough to assault and/or kill people. I think this goes back to the 1980s lawsuits against Ozzy Osbourne and Judas Priest with both entities receiving loads of grief over the suicides of a few teenagers.

I think people can have adverse reactions to various types of media. I think kids who are depressed can have a negative reaction to music and that can lead to suicide but that doesn't mean the music caused the suicide. The problem was there all along, brewing. Same thing with violence that points outward instead of inward.

Someone did a study in the 1980s, it might have been Johns Hopkins, I don't remember, it was on movies that depicted rape and murder, especially slasher flicks like the classic, "I Spit On Your Grave." They found that after watching these movies over and over, over a matter of a few weeks that attitudes began to change about sexual assault, for example. The movies had a desensitizing effect on young people.

To be totally logical about it, if slasher flicks like "Friday The 13th" and the like caused murder, we would be having a lot of machete-hacking mass murders, wouldn't we? Just like liberals who cry about guns and knives being the problem or the NRA or legal gun owners being the problem - if we were the problem, there would be a lot more dead people in the street than you currently see.

Yet, this type of media and interactive, violent video games can have a negative effect on young people, they don't cause it but they can stoke fantasies. This is a parental problem, not a government-needs-to-intervene problem.
 
Now that I am done some morning stuff that I had to do, I can touch on part of this again...

I believe that media can have a positive or negative affect (effect and affect always get me even after all of these years!) on a person. I mean, Budweiser and other companies spend tens of millions to hundreds of millions of dollars for seconds of advertising during events like The Superbowl, right? So, that being the reality...media does influence. But I don't think those commercials make people alcoholics, either.

People who are predisposed to madness are probably going to partake of that madness when prodded. That also includes being exposed to firearms and weapons, knives included. I have seen this happen to people, they touch a firearm and you can see the wheels starting to turn in the wrong directions. Just like the media, this can be a good thing or bad thing.

Personally? I think a lot of the cultural problems with violent media have to do with a lack of clear-cut heroes. I really do. When I was growing up in the 70s, I watched a lot of older movies because my Dad was older and some of them were just coming out, you know...JOHN WAYNE. Clint Eastwood's "Dirty Harry" was a morality-ethics-Constitutional drama all rolled up into one but even when he broke the rules, it was for a reason and there was some specificity to the act.

I hate to say it, I know what people will think, but look at the culture and look what it has turned into, you will have many answers to your questions.

But all through this, what I want to say is, you don't ban something because you disagree with it. That's how we get knife and gun bans, that's how we ban inanimate objects like brass knuckles and all sorts of other things which is an excercise in total futility, symbolism over substance. And I don't think we should be banning media, either. Although some of it truly is scum with little or no value whatsoever.
 
What do you get with knife bans?

I did a short check on amazon.de -
with common knives
people who bought this article also bought:
books on survival, books on carving, camping stuff

with baseball bats:
balaclavas, heavy gloves (filled with sand in the outer part apparently), pepper spray ... oh and the odd baseball ... or baseball glove ...


... no comment ...
 
When I was in the scouts, many scouts were hunters and marksmanship was a big deal. That was all good, but the parading about bit like a bunch of nancies with our kerchiefs rolled just so grew a bit tiresome for me and led to bullying, intimidation and violence.. but then I was asked to leave.
 
HELP! I'm cornered in my house! there is a pile of knives sitting on the table , I think they might stab me. They are just sitting there, PLOTTING! i think they are going to disembowel me....i'm scared!
 
Outlaw knives and people will start killing each other with hammers. It's not the weapon that should be the focus, it's the motive.
 
Shotgun said:
Outlaw knives and people will start killing each other with hammers. It's not the weapon that should be the focus, it's the motive.
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OT but I had to share

Last time I was in New Orleans (August of 2004 IIRC) there was a hammer fight.

A guy got into a cab and then tried to start to assualt the cabbie with a hammer he pulled out of his bag. The cabbie managed to wrestle the hammer away from him and then the guy pulled ANOTHER hammer out of his bag. At this point the cabbie gave up, pulled over and let the guy take the car.

I heard this on the local news while sitting in a bar, the bartender looks at me and says, "That's New Orleans".

And I thought Detroit was bad.
 
it's a myth. someone, somewhere has got the wrong end of the stick.
http://scouts.org.uk/news/225/scouting-refutes-knife-ban-claims
the scouts in the UK can still carry our knives, although (as it has been for a long time) at leaders discresion.

edit: I see someone got there before me.

I also will point out that leaders discresion can mean there are some groups who may well be forbidden from carrying knives.
I know one of our district leaders (assistant district commisioner I think) seems to think that is the way to go. but then again that could just have been him on one of his power trips. again.
 
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What irresponsible journalism. I hope that young Scouts in the UK learn from all this that you cannot trust everything you read in the papers.

Agenda driven news reporting is unethical, but it appears that as long as the reporter's agenda is popular amongst his or her peers, then there seems to be no professional repercussions. And Big Media can't seem to figure out why they are tanking financially!
 
The more laws and policies that I see enacted, it really makes me think humanity must of done a fine job of breeding common sense out of the gene pool.
 
the article also said the banned camp fires last year at one of the major gatherings. really if all survival elements are removed from this type of association then they should just send the kids and thier parents to a nice safe hotel where they can watch family friendly movies and order room service.
 
nydude said:
the article also said the banned camp fires last year at one of the major gatherings.
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we can't be sure of the background to that. it could have been that the ground was particualy dry at the time, and they didn't want anyone starting a fire, catching the grass ect on fire, and ending up starting a forest fire.

plus also, it could be the landowner that put that rule in place, not the scouting association.
 
Bhamster said:
When I was in the scouts, many scouts were hunters and marksmanship was a big deal. That was all good, but the parading about bit like a bunch of nancies with our kerchiefs rolled just so grew a bit tiresome for me and led to bullying, intimidation and violence.. but then I was asked to leave.
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I presume you are joking. Otherwise, sounds like a good decision by leadership, and don't let the door . . . .
 
Wait, Bear Grylls Chief Scout? I can see it now. Room Service Merit Badge. Do Not Disturb Totin' Chip. Motel 6 Woggles.

I'm kidding! I like Bear Grylls!
 
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