What are some past Busse & Kin features that you absolutely love?

What are some past Busse & Kin features that you absolutely love?

  • Rounded Spine

    Votes: 24 35.8%

  • Fuller

    Votes: 25 37.3%

  • RES-C handle

    Votes: 27 40.3%

  • Micarta handle

    Votes: 33 49.3%

  • Hollow grind

    Votes: 18 26.9%

  • Flat grind

    Votes: 33 49.3%

  • Coated finish

    Votes: 12 17.9%

  • Uncoated finish (Comp/Stonewash/DC/Satin)

    Votes: 41 61.2%
  • Total voters
    67
AntDog said:
Yes. Please. For the love of God, small knives don’t need a whomping huge finger choil. It is taking away a good 1” of the most usable part of the blade. That section comes in really handy for cutting things with power and control right near the handle.

The choil getting hung up on stuff I’m cutting is my single biggest pet peeve about Busse knives. I want to be able to poke it in something all the way to the handle and slice. I hate having to eyeball every cut to make sure the edge stays in what I’m cutting.

I have sworn off of buying any more Busse or kin with a blade length of 5” or less that has a choil. Finger, elf, sharpening or otherwise. Want my business, give me back the whole edge of my knife.
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Yes! Having a huge choil on a small fixed blade is STUPID!
 
jeepin said:
jeepin said:
Yes! Having a huge choil on a small fixed blade is STUPID!
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Well it's been over 10 years since the last choilless knife from Busse, the Anniversary Straight Handle Battle Mistress. At the time, it was said by Jerry Busse Jerry Busse that there would never again be choilless knives moving forward because they loved choils and the people who bought choil were 10:1 compared to those who bought choilless (when the Boss Jack was offered I believe). That said, I think there is something to be said for trying to serve those who fall on either side of the argument. Look at ESEE, they've got the standard ESEE 3/4/5/6/etc. and then they have the ESEE 3/4/5/6 HM line which basically loses the choil and guard. That's been around for a good long while now so I believe it shows that it's something which can be sustainable or at least a periodic cyclical thing perhaps. 10 years is a long time and trends certainly can and do change, so I think it would be false to assume there is not a market for choilless designs at present moment without testing that theory.
 
Father & Son Traditional Sharpening said:
Well it's been over 10 years since the last choilless knife from Busse, the Anniversary Straight Handle Battle Mistress. At the time, it was said by Jerry Busse Jerry Busse that there would never again be choilless knives moving forward because they loved choils and the people who bought choil were 10:1 compared to those who bought choilless (when the Boss Jack was offered I believe). That said, I think there is something to be said for trying to serve those who fall on either side of the argument. Look at ESEE, they've got the standard ESEE 3/4/5/6/etc. and then they have the ESEE 3/4/5/6 HM line which basically loses the choil and guard. That's been around for a good long while now so I believe it shows that it's something which can be sustainable or at least a periodic cyclical thing perhaps. 10 years is a long time and trends certainly can and do change, so I think it would be false to assume there is not a market for choilless designs at present moment without testing that theory.
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I'll be honest, the choiless boss jack looked weird.
 
Andy the Aussie said:
Hesus, don't let the numpties at ESEE influence my knifing experience....... ;)
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Yeah, but… I can relate and have a laugh but damn. Seeing that big ol’ ludicrous “chomp” taken out of a short blade pisses me right off.

I mean, in every case it looks like somebody designed a really nice knife, then cut a dorky assed half moon out of the blade right near the handle. “It cuts really nice - waaay the F out here an inch away from the handle (where you have much less leverage and control)”. 🤣😡

*Shhhh* Don’t tell nobody, but it’s actually a running joke outside of the Kin circles… Trust me, the choils on small Busse knives are the butt of many a joke. Just not here.

My line in the sand is drawn. 5”+ I’m ok with it. Less than 5” I’m passing from now on if it has the chomp taken out of it.

Plenty of other manufacturers don’t play that ridiculousness.
 
Keep in mind I’m a very long time Busse fanboy and own many examples of the very thing I’m complaining about.

It’s just that after using the knives long term and those of competitors and imagining how much better these designs would be without that huge choil,… well, the koolaid don’t taste as sweet anymore.
 
See I am 100% the opposite, I have dressed more game than your average bunny ;) and can certainly make a choilless blade work for me but it is not my preference by a long shot. My HRLM user (and by user I mean triple digit critters now - second only to my B4) actually has had it's coil ENLARGED... :) ;)
 
Andy the Aussie said:
See I am 100% the opposite, I have dressed more game than your average bunny ;) and can certainly make a choilless blade work for me but it is not my preference by a long shot. My HRLM user (and by user I mean triple digit critters now - second only to my B4) actually has had it's coil ENLARGED... :) ;)
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Field dressing animals I can see how a choil would be useful. Using a knife without one you have to choke up with a pinch grip to get up inside.

I know you’re a hunter and have seen a lot of the pictures of the game you’ve taken. It’s impressive.

But what about the other probably 90% who don’t use these knives for that. Who wants to try to cut feather sticks with that big section of blade missing? Or whittle a stick to a point to roast a hot dog? Or stick it in a bag of charcoal and zip it open without getting that godawful choil hung up on it. Pfffffft.

Give me back my “angry inch”. I’m gonna start calling it that because when I see it missing it makes me angry.
 
See, this is why we all have different tastes ;) 80% of my knife use is on game and/or meaty treats and the rest I still like a choil :D :D ;) Even a little bitty one :D

Stay safe mate :) .
 
So I just checked the ESEE product line and there are fare more choilless designs than I remember even, in fact, it's quite an amazing lineup of choilless knives now. Now, it's again worth noting that 10 years ago ESEE had only THREE choilless offerings : Izula, Izula II, Junglas, So this would suggest that for what amounts to very similar style of knife, ESEE, in fact a strong competitor to Busse in that many people will buy them as survival/combat knives albeit a much lower pricepoint ---- THERE ARE NOW 5 TIMES THE NUMBER OF CHOILLESS KNIFE MODELS TO PURCHASE FROM ESEE. Let that point sink in for a minute..... 5 times the number of choilless offerings.

If Jerry Busse Jerry Busse has not revisited the idea of choilless knives being a viable purchase option in 2022 then I would suggest it is possibly out of bias (in that they do not feel choilless knives are ideal and have no interest in making them) or simply intertia and resistance to change . This to me suggests a somewhat selfish way of running a business, sort of, "our way is the only way type of mindset." I feel that a business should always strive to help consumers solve problems better and be merely a guide to the hero that is the consumer. I feel that in some ways Busse brand posits it's product as the hero and the knives end up being sort more or less bought for this sort of fantasy of what one MIGHT use the knife for in a life or death situtation... NOT typical use in life.

Now I could be wrong here because in the past there were options for many years but it certainly seems that way to someone looking in there is a sort of arrogance to the choil being a superior option and NOT simply, ANOTHER OPTION. I suggest that if Jerry Busse Jerry Busse will not test that "choilless market" to see what lays under that rock ten years later, then VooDooWitchDoctor VooDooWitchDoctor in all his experimental glory should take a serious dive into testing out the potential here for us all. We're in uncharted water in the Swamp now and there are no currents to ride upon here. Voodoo appears to be free of will to test all sorts of steel to his hearts content but steel means nothing if the knife design as a whole doesn't suit the expected work.

AND in that way I've come to the quite blasphemous decision that I would be far more content with virtually any knife pictured below than most any recent offerings from Busse & Company over the last ten years. Soft 1095 @ 55 RC is less of a problem to me than a knife that comes with the 'feature' of having a propensity for snagging unless carefully taking time and focus to cut AND decreased leverage advantage for heavy cutting near the handle. I think the whole 'choil' thing with Busse has become such an aweful taboo that few people even bring it up anymore because it will very obviously end up receiving comments like Andy's below or will be simply ignore by all who work at the Busse compound.

I say that knowing that Jerry Busse Jerry Busse does a fantastic job listening to his customer base as a whole and have seen with my own eyes dozens of times this has proven out with new designs being drawn up that fill a niche that a number of people here have wanted filled. So this is not an objection on the whole, but simply an observation that it doesn't extend that same logic to this particular subset of customers. I love your knives as a whole, Jerry, but the buck stops here for me and the 'Not another cent' rule applies here at this point and I've come back full circle to believing in expressing my views as clearly as possible and voting with my dollar when the request goes unanswered for 10 years now.


Hesus, don't let the numpties at ESEE influence my knifing experience....... ;)

Are you saying the people at ESEE are stupid? Can you elaborate, if so?
 
Andy the Aussie said:
........ not all of them.... but Jeff ...what can I say.... ???
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This doesn't convey to me WHY you think Jeff is stupid. Either it is so blatanly obvious to us all in that one can trivially find a large body of data or words showing such things or it is quite subtle and you can explain for us all what you find wrong with him. I'm not at all knowledgeable about many people emplyed with them beyond the surface so perhaps you can enlighten us all.
 
Andy the Aussie said:
......oh and to save you writing a treatise on ESEE/Jeff and I..... maybe just dig a little deeper and take note on the emojis.
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I dont' need a treatise but a few bullet points would be nice as it would appear that you simply have a bias against him because many of his knives in the lineup are choilless and you've expressed a strong preference for choil here for most everything you might do. Emoji's are of no use here, friend. They don't tell stories but may convey an emotion... are you taking an emotional bias against Jeff or is it based on some sort of sound logical principle?
 
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