What Buck,What Gun ?

I have the skills and training to survive that situation.....IF I have the equipment.

Carrying a two-shot derringer is simply forgetting the boy scout motto.

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I vote for Glock 27 over Glock 26
"More is better" :cool:

I read this book called Vengeance by George Jonas
They made a movie called MUNICH from the book
In the book they talk about how the Mossad hit team used Beretta .22's
Beretta 70S
I think they are called Tomcats now?
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They trained for 2 years
They we're taught to shoot TWO times
They would eat, drink, and dream ===>PFFT! Pfft! in their heads
When it came to a shootout or assassination
They would drop to their knee and grab their pistol in one motion
Pfft!! Pfft!! Headshots to the dome :thumbup:
They were very effective
I think you have to be pretty close for the method to work though
And, having a fellow hit man next to you helps out a lot....

I haven't seen the movie,but, in the book they talk about an American mercenary type who trained them

If you are allowed by law
I would get a Buck neck knife for the combo...
 
I tried both the Glock 26 and Glock 27......felt more capable and accurate with the 26, so I went with that.

You should always go with what feels best and what gets you the best results on target.

The 26 worked a lot better for me. If you handle the 27 just as well, you should use it.

Dump the .22 idea......this is real life, not fiction and you are not an assassin.

;)
 
Well, maybe I really do need something more... an M60 and one of the late Jimmy Liles creations? Probably not legal, even with the Fed stamp, to tote anywhere - even here in Alabama. Maybe, for the time being, I can 'get by' with this - a 120 and my new 627 Pro, a 4" .357M X 8:

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Of course, I had a 301 in my pocket last week when I made this picture - there isn't a knife to be seen in the picture. I'm not going to unpack/repack them to add a knife... please add one with your cerebral editor. In it, however, is my 625JM and 105 loaded moonclips, normally stacked in a .223 ammo can, of .45 ACP ball ammo - 630 rounds. I have seen those Zombie movies - I'm ready! This isn't an easy 'carry' option...

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Stainz

PS No, that N-frame won't fit in the K/L frame holster... again, adapt with your cerebral editor, please!
 
Mike Kerins said:
One of the nice things about the High Standard .22 magnum derringer is its very narrow profile. It will fit easily and undetected in a rear pants pocket. On duty, a lot of cops would actually carry it on their gun belt in a second hand cuff case as a back-up weapon. It's not a .45 cal, but really a great little weapon. As a pocket carry companion, as I said, the 112 is perfect.
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I think it's definately a nice gun...not sure I PERSONALLY would be comfortable with something like that.

I also believe guns should be in holsters and usually strong side at the hip or just behind (again personal preference). (Simply, I'm not into the idea of pocket carry nor pocket holsters for that matter)

Personal comfort and preference is what counts. If one isn't comfortable, it won't be used...plain and simple.

While some people may have some merit about carrying an auto-loader with enough mags to run an IPSC course to duke it out with UZI wielding thugs in Dodge City, each person must weigh in his/her own situation, taking into account printing/concealment, comfort, danger, etc.
 
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I had a Dan Wesson 357 [sub barrell,small grips] that could be concealed fairly easy 90% of the time with a little thought and planing...My Kel-Tec P32 was super easy to conceal 100% of the time wearing ANYTHING! Even 'sock' carry...The Kel=Tec does not 'print' in 99.9% of any outfit you wear and because its so light its easy to really have it with you all the time... Infact I would forget I had it. If you pack a glock/any SERIOUS peice there will be times you'll stick it in the glove box ect...Its the same with a Buck.A big one will sooner or later be left off your person..
 
So you admit that the Kel-tec is not a SERIOUS piece.

Good, that's a start.

The only time I stick my Glock 26 in the glove box is when I stop off at the post office.......and that's the ONLY time. I have a lockable center console.

I mow the lawn, do chores around the house, cook, go for walks, go to auctions, go to the doctor......all with that little Glock and its 11 rounds in my right front pocket in a pocket holster. Like I said, it's all about choosing your clothes well.

If you're married to your Levis, forget it......you'll have to deal with other carry methods then, cowboy.

My HiLo is always in that small rear pocket low on the thigh (good old Cabela's Hikers).
 
Rocinante said:
Off duty, on duty......whatever. If it turns out to be a war, you'll damn well wish you had something better than that lil' mouse gun.
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In the eight years I was in Law Enforcement I never had cause to use my weapon while off-duty. State law required me to carry at all times off-duty. That made for a challenge in some cases. The High Standard derringer allowed for concealed carry in mid-summer in southern California when I may have been wearing shorts and a T-shirt. As for stopping power, as I mentioned a friend was confronted on his front lawn. The guy was coming at him. He fired at him from about ten feet and the guy dropped like a sack of potatoes. He said that the gun performed way above what he was expecting from a 22 magnum round. Oh yeah...it was also a hollow point. I'm not saying that I would or did use it in all off-duty situations, but when it was a challenge to carry concealed it was a nice option to have.
 
The fundemental lemma of self defense is to carry a weapon. Bad guys never understood that the dimunitive .32 S&W - then .32 S&WL/Colt .32 Police Positive, once considered police rounds, weren't 'enough' - they dropped them like a rock for eons. Today, we consider them as ferret flatulance rounds - your .22 Magnum often carry's more KE. On the other end of the spectrum, everyone should recall the NYPD and Amidou Diablo (SP?) - several detectives shot point blank something like fifty rounds through his front door, not hitting him many times - enough to kill him, of course. Sadly, he was an innocent immigrant... they were at the wrong place, if I remember correctly. Capacity enabled them to put lots of holes in his door - and some in him. It didn't help the poor marksmanship at the Hollywood bank shootout - or the FBI's fatal shootout in Miami. Capacity and better ballistics have replaced marksmanship, a poor exchange in my mind. Collateral damage increases - you are responsible for every round you discharge. My only LE experience was as SP in the USN - with a 1911. I shoot my revolvers a lot better than I ever did that gun - or the G21. Carry what you feel comfortable and confident with - but keep vigilant, prepared, and practiced!

Stainz
 
The High Standard derringer allowed for concealed carry in mid-summer in southern California when I may have been wearing shorts and a T-shirt. As for stopping power, as I mentioned a friend was confronted on his front lawn. The guy was coming at him. He fired at him from about ten feet and the guy dropped like a sack of potatoes. He said that the gun performed way above what he was expecting from a 22 magnum round.
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I understand.

But, I already told you I carry the Glock 26 daily and quite comfortably in shorts and a T-shirt, so the point is moot. It's all about choosing clothing that works.

As to your endorsement of the .22 Magnum for self-defense, one anecdotal experience is meaningless.

You can also Google up many good sites that deal with such issues and find many incidents where people were shot with .22 Magnums and never even knew it until the fight was over.

Bottom line is you always carry the most killing power you can stand to carry regularly and if that's a .22 then so be it.

At least you have something. Usually, in civilian encounters, just having the gun causes the trouble to end.

Of course, that's assuming the troublemaker recognizes your gun as a gun and doesn't bust out laughing.

And again......in the unlikely event it turns out to be a war, you will wish you had more than that 2-shot mouse gun.
 
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That's a flashback, I used to have the 5-6 inch barrel version of one of those!

Never could find ammo for mine though. :(
 
Rocinante said:
As to your endorsement of the .22 Magnum for self-defense, one anecdotal experience is meaningless..
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Who said anything about self defense? I carried it because I was required by law. The point being that if something happended in front of me I was able to respond as a law enforcement officer. It was never intended to allow me to get into any sort of shootout. If I thought I was going to be in a situation where there was a strong chance of having to actually use a hand gun, I would arm myself accordingly. My only point was that the derringer offered an option for easy concealment and was more than the "mouse gun" you make it out to be.

You may recall that indicated in a separate post that I chose to carry a Glock 23 as a civilian and was in need of a concealed weapon for self defense.
 
I always belived any gun was better than no gun..and any knife was better than none....Once as a salior at Great Lakes in 1972 a small folding knife made the 2 guys robbing me pause for 10 to 15 seconds giving me time to run and escape [just barly] The fact that I can carry the Kel-Tec 100% of the time concealed easy makes it the perfect one for me...A small Buck carryed 100% is the best choice FOR ME..I know something bigger effective,gun or knife,but I choose to go with a combo I can always have with me.
 
Rocinante said:
Kel-tecs are crap and the .380 is too small. You don't carry a cheap knife, don't carry a cheap gun.
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Kel-Tecs are hardly crap. They're made in America. Customer service is top-notch, though I've never had to use it. My P3AT goes bang every time I pull the trigger. And if all you have on is shorts and a t-shirt, it's a fine choice for a CCW pistol. The best pistol is sometimes the one that you're actually going to carry.

Inexpensive does not always mean cheap or poor quality. The Buck 110 is an inexpensive knife. Does that make it cheap or poor quality? In a handgun class last weekend, I shot an inexpensive Ruger P95. Other folks had Glocks, a Kimber 1911, and a Browning Hi-Point. The Ruger outshot them all and never failed to cycle.

Rocinante, your love of Glocks notwithstanding, they are not the end-all, be-all of semi-auto pistols, despite what you read on Glock Talk.

Fine pistols, and probably my next handgun purchase. Just not the only choice.


Edit: Rocinante, while reading through this entire thread, I noticed you're in Minnesota. I doubt you have to deal with 4 to 5 months of humid weather in the 80s and 90s. Move to Alabama, and you might just change your tune about what constitutes an acceptable carry pistol. :p

bucksway, you might take a look at the Buck Prince or the Buck Squire. Both are nice smaller knives.


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Cheap is cheap, and that's the end of that tune.

If I had to live in Alabama I'd buy a Kel-Tec and put it to my head.

:D
 
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