What can your fixed blade do that my folder cant?

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My dad and I always have this argument. He’s always been a soul believer in his SAK and that’s about it. He always mocks my fixed blades and asks what do I need it for? I guess I never really am able to come up with a good answer to him because he still asks me this question when ever he sees any of mine. In fact he was so opposed to fixed blades that I was never allowed any until I was 18 (I think it may have to do with when he was a kid, he traded another kid for one but his dad took it because he was afraid he would accidentally stab himself with it). So I guess my question to you guys is what can your fixed blade do that my SAK's or Bencmades can’t?
 
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This :D
 
With a fixed blade you don't have to worry about the lock accidentally disengaging or malfunctioning (assuming your SAK even locks at all).
 
I can sever a deer's neck in a single ringing stroke, slit his hamstrings for the hanging gambrel, and skin him out all in one piece. I can harvest river cane for fishing poles, duck and deer blinds and shelters. I can neatly butcher a hog, and slice off a nice piece of ham the size of a platter. If I need to, I can dig sassafrass roots with it. I can cook in a fry pan over a campfire using it to skewer and flip meat, or stir coffee in the boiler. I can also swagger like John Wayne and impress the girls, and intimidate the boys. I've tied it to a limb to "twist" a coon out of a tree, then stuck him good on the ground. I've used it every year to butcher chickens, ducks, turkeys, and geese. I can't imagine doing all that with an itty bitty sak.

Codger
 
well, it is awefully difficult to find a folder large enough and sturdy enough to chop with, and batoning can be pretty tricky with a folder, though it can be done.

of course there is the safey issue, a sheath knife is easier to pull out and put into its sheath than it is to open and close a folder, making a fixed blade more convenient and less likely to be left out laying around. and then there is of course the issue of nonlocking folders closing on your hand. i had that problem earlier today, when i was cutting a 1/2 inch sapling to whittle. the wood caught in the wood as i pulled it out of the half cut (the folder is small, by the way, so it did not cut in one stroke) and the blade closed a little on my hand. luckily, i pulled slowly and the wood got in the way of my hand.

erm...the joints of a folder can get gunked up or fall apart. there can be problems using a folder to skin or clean game because the joint can get clogged up with blood etc, or maybe get rusted if it is not cleaned and oiled after you are through.

there are more i am sure. i just can't think of any at the moment
 
Honestly, Fixed blades have several advantages in certain situations.

1, Fixed blades are easier to clean and keep clean. No joints, locks, or handles to get dirty.
2, They will never have a lock fail or close when you don't want them to.
3, some blades are designed with prying, batoning, and chopping in mind. Most folders are not.

If folders were the end-all-be-all, then all kitchen knives would be folders.
 
-Hack down a tree or large limb. I don't know what would be left of a small SAK or Benchmade folder.
-Split large pieces of wood. (Not wittling)
-Hammer using the pommel or spine.
-Digging a hole.
-Use as a throwing weight to get cordage or rope over a high branch.
-Break a car window to rescue someone.
-Pry a door open. (car or house).
-Kill a bear.

A Fixed blade will never rust shut, or have it's mechanism fail under hard use.


This not to say a Fixed is somehow inherantly BETTER than a folder/SAK.
I carry both. I'll chop fire wood with my Fixed blade, but I'll open a bottle or can with my SAK.

I am a proponent of having , at minimum, one of each.
Guitardemon, What do you think? What do you believe about Fixed blades?
 
Fixed blade knives are easy to clean after gutting a critter and I don't worry about lock failure. Never the less a folder gets used 99% of the time by me. You're dad is OK!
 
It could be that your dad is jealous of all the cool knives you have, and he just likes giving you crap. :D I don't go into the woods without one of each. Just like the "sturdy" factor that a good fixed blade can provide. -Matt-
 
I think I could do this with my SAK Trekker, using the saw blade and ringing the circumference.
It would probably take me, oh, 20 minutes? Maybe more depending on much the sawteeth loaded with wood and resin.

Large fixed blade, less than 1 minute.

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All tools have their uses.
 
Chopping and splitting are the main things for me. I prefer a folder for just about everything else. The chopping is mainly small branches. I prefer a saw for bigger stuff.

(I have not started hunting or game dressing yet, so can't comment on that.)

I hate the way the the Canadian Scout Field Book says fixed blades are only prefered because they look more "woodsy". I also hate the way one of our annual scout camps prohibited fixed blade knives becuase they are "too dangerous".
 
...the Canadian Scout Field Book says fixed blades...look more "woodsy". ...our annual scout camps prohibited fixed blade knives becuase they are "too dangerous".

Yes, political correctness abounds. When I was eight (sometime last century), I earned a pile of merit badges, but I was quite proud of my NCAA archery awards, and my NRA Marksman, Promarksman, and Sharpshooter awards. Yas, they gave us a Marine Drill Seargent, and real Marine .22 training rifles surplused. We carried fixed blade knives, and accidents were a very rare occurance. The older scout manuals have lots better woodcraft information, in my opinion. I understand that you have to use the current manual and be as politically correct as you council demands, but it won't hurt to acquire some of the old manuals and read up on them. Heck, Dan Beard's books are in reprint now. Now THERE was a scout leader!!!

But then I am just an old...

Codger
 
Yes, political correctness abounds. When I was eight (sometime last century), I earned a pile of merit badges, but I was quite proud of my NCAA archery awards, and my NRA Marksman, Promarksman, and Sharpshooter awards. Yas, they gave us a Marine Drill Seargent, and real Marine .22 training rifles surplused. We carried fixed blade knives, and accidents were a very rare occurance. The older scout manuals have lots better woodcraft information, in my opinion. I understand that you have to use the current manual and be as politically correct as you council demands, but it won't hurt to acquire some of the old manuals and read up on them. Heck, Dan Beard's books are in reprint now. Now THERE was a scout leader!!!

But then I am just an old...

Codger


My field book (1990) is from when I was boy scout, pobably not the most current edition. I also have Scouting for Boys, buy Baden-Powell, which is a good standard reference, but doesn't talk about knives.
 
My Scout handbook says 1961. I carried both scout pocket knife and a fixed blade, as did most of the other boys and leaders in my group. The only accidents that happened in camp that I can remember is that one scout bailed from a row boat and didn't watch out for the oarlock, which severely injured the boys reproductive capabilities and a bunch of us got busted when we snuck out in the canoes and made a midnight raid on the girlscout camp across the lake.:D

What can my fixed blade do better than your SAK? I pretty much carry a Vic OH SAK w/saw everywhere I go. It is a very capable blade for me and I rarely carry a fixed blade when heading out for a hike. But then, fixed blades have a tendency to scare people because they look more like weapons, which may have something to do with why people run when they see someone carrying one around here.:jerkit: But, when I head into the bush for a little survival one on one, I have a fixed blade with me that is capable of getting to the heart of the matter in wood working. Meaning, being able to split a length of limb lengthwise, to get to the dry heartwood inside and I wouldn't want to try that with my SAK.

Edited to add, that I know there are other means available to do what I would use a fixed blade to do, but getting physical to bash wood with a rock only comes into play when I lose my really cool fixed blade.:D
 
Sorry for the long off subject post, but this post reminds me of back when I was in an alternative high school (not that long ago) in St. Paul, MN called project Lead. The idea was to get hyperactive outdoorsy type kids like myself who didn’t fit into traditional school out into the woods. Also to gear the classroom education to something that related to the outdoors, so we could stand it. Great idea.

Well anyway one of the trips for the year was to be a 10 day Boundary Waters canoe trip (anyone not know what the BWCA is?) and I was all excited to go, the BWCA is one of my favorite places and have gone almost yearly since I was young. By this time I had already taken the Basic at the Tracker School (I was an adult, as were most of the “kids” in the program), and was fairly well read in the survival type stuff, and a proficient canoe tripper. Anyway my dad had thought me to canoe and camp, use and sharpen a knife, build a fire, etc. all stuff boys (and girls) should learn from a young age (even if there from the city like me). Several things he thought me to ALWAYS take to the BWCA were: a good fixed blade knife and a means to sharpen it, an extra set of wool cloths, cordage (para cord), reliable fire starting materials, compass, first aid kit, maps in waterproof sleeves, and extra shoes.

So to make a long story short (is it too late?) I was looking through the individual gear list for the school trip, and there was no mention of a knife of any kind. Well, I figured for liability reasons they didn't want us delinquents to be carrying knives (I think at the time I regularly carried a double edged Randall boot knife to school:eek: ), so they must have some backups in one of there kits in case. Well I go and talk to the instructor and she informs me that the only knifes they will be taking with them, for a group of 15 or so people, are one medium sized Swiss army knife and a small serrated kitchen knife (you know the type).

When I asked her what would happen if we were separated from our gear or stranded somehow (like when the blow down happened up there) and forced to make due till we were found or could get out, she replied that she would not allow those situations to happen. WHAT!! Are these people crazy!? Instead of preparing reasonably for this type of situation they rely on their super human will power to simply stop emergency situations from occurring?!? Anyway after arguing and explaining as best I could I got her to finally admit that there was a remote possibility that we could be stranded in a survival type situation. At this point I brought up the need for a good knife, and to this she said, I kid you not “what would you need a knife in a survival situation for anyway?” that’s when I walked out and didn’t come back, I was not about to go into the woods with these people.

The point is that as many have eloquently stated before me, from batoning to chopping to cleaning game (and comfortable carving with good leverage I might add) a fixed blade is ABSOULOUTLY ESSENTIAL in the remote outdoors. You may not find many uses for it in day to day life, but if your out in the woods and the SHTF, you will thank god a thousand times that you had the foresight to bring the best fixed blade you can. I agree wholeheartedly with the old school folks here that society today is, for reasons of politics and who knows what else, afraid of fixed blades. How quickly we forget our own history, and where we would be as a human race without the invention of the one-piece steel knife.
 
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