What can your fixed blade do that my folder cant?

That Squirrel sheath is a classic.

I do think we do folders a dis-service. For the most part we are comparing large robust fixed blades to something that fits easily into a pocket without a sheath.

A folder is always a good back up to have.

A folder attracts less attention than that rambo style one pounder strapped to your hip.

It is sometimes easier to do intricate tasks with a small bladed folder. I wouldn't want to hack out a splinter with one of those eight inch blades.

Both have their advantages. I usually carry a fixed blade in a kydex sheath. I also carry a folder back up in a front pocket.
 
Sorry for the long off subject post, but this post reminds me of back when I was in an alternative high school (not that long ago) in St. Paul, MN called project Lead. The idea was to get hyperactive outdoorsy type kids like myself who didn’t fit into traditional school out into the woods. Also to gear the classroom education to something that related to the outdoors, so we could stand it. Great idea.

Well anyway one of the trips for the year was to be a 10 day Boundary Waters canoe trip (anyone not know what the BWCA is?) and I was all excited to go, the BWCA is one of my favorite places and have gone almost yearly since I was young. By this time I had already taken the Basic at the Tracker School (I was an adult, as were most of the “kids” in the program), and was fairly well read in the survival type stuff, and a proficient canoe tripper. Anyway my dad had thought me to canoe and camp, use and sharpen a knife, build a fire, etc. all stuff boys (and girls) should learn from a young age (even if there from the city like me). Several things he thought me to ALWAYS take to the BWCA were: a good fixed blade knife and a means to sharpen it, an extra set of wool cloths, cordage (para cord), reliable fire starting materials, compass, first aid kit, maps in waterproof sleeves, and extra shoes.

So to make a long story short (is it too late?) I was looking through the individual gear list for the school trip, and there was no mention of a knife of any kind. Well, I figured for liability reasons they didn't want us delinquents to be carrying knives (I think at the time I regularly carried a double edged Randall boot knife to school:eek: ), so they must have some backups in one of there kits in case. Well I go and talk to the instructor and she informs me that the only knifes they will be taking with them, for a group of 15 or so people, are one medium sized Swiss army knife and a small serrated kitchen knife (you know the type).

When I asked her what would happen if we were separated from our gear or stranded somehow (like when the blow down happened up there) and forced to make due till we were found or could get out, she replied that she would not allow those situations to happen. WHAT!! Are these people crazy!? Instead of preparing reasonably for this type of situation they rely on their super human will power to simply stop emergency situations from occurring?!? Anyway after arguing and explaining as best I could I got her to finally admit that there was a remote possibility that we could be stranded in a survival type situation. At this point I brought up the need for a good knife, and to this she said, I kid you not “what would you need a knife in a survival situation for anyway?” that’s when I walked out and didn’t come back, I was not about to go into the woods with these people.

The point is that as many have eloquently stated before me, from batoning to chopping to cleaning game (and comfortable carving with good leverage I might add) a fixed blade is ABSOULOUTLY ESSENTIAL in the remote outdoors. You may not find many uses for it in day to day life, but if your out in the woods and the SHTF, you will thank god a thousand times that you had the foresight to bring the best fixed blade you can. I agree wholeheartedly with the old school folks here that society today is, for reasons of politics and who knows what else, afraid of fixed blades. How quickly we forget our own history, and where we would be as a human race without the invention of the one-piece steel knife.


Classic!

I wouldn't want to head out into the boundary waters with her either!

Could she hold mosquitoes at bay with will power too? Now that's a skill I'd like to have up there!:D
 
First, I really hate to say it but please DO NOT THROW YOUR KNIFE INTO A TREE, even if it is attached to cord. There is just too many things wrong with this pro fixed blade idea. Use your knife to cut a stick to do this.

Now, to the point of the article I guess I would look at the person questioning me and say, "If you only had to choose one edge tool in a survival situation what would it be?" Then ask the person to keep these things in mind.
- It could be wet, so you might need to split wood for a fire.
- It could be dark, so watching your work and preventing a SAK from closing on you or god forbid a blade failure could be impossible.
- Animal defence? You could be injured.

Finally the most important pro for fixed blades is it is simple. Simplicity of tools in a survival situation is SO very important. A perfect example here is the wonderful SAK saw. It does work, but depending on what you employ it upon can make your life a bit harder. Sap in the joints can be horrible to remove, and if you have little to no other tools too difficult and time consuming. Simplicity also equals saved time.
 
Thank you Gibson, my point exactly.

And this wasn't so much a challenge of Fixed vs. folder, it was posed as a question, and we were even given background, the dad story, it all fit.
So answers were given.

I say BOTH. Gibson says Both.
I think most of us could "get by" with one or the other, but I think most, given the choice would take 1 of each.

Now , the question for the person who originally posted this, have we had any affect on you?
 
Sorry I’ve been meaning to post a few replies in this thread but I have been swamped with school work (9 tests coming up possibly more. 3 of which are for my EMT class which have a 50% fail rate in CA...yikes!)

You guys gave me allot of great answers. But it’s got me thinking. Do I have the right fixed blades? From what I have collected it seems like id be using them to baton/ chop with(I don’t hunt so getting blood and guts in my folders mechanisms has never been a problem) The current fixed blades I own are: Sog Trident II, Sog SEAL pup ( I use it for SCUBA diving...so this one actually gets used) Boker Applegate(very impractical unless you are fighting...it was an impulse buy) a Camillus pilot survival knife and I am building one of the modern bowie knife kits (this is what got me thinking about the topic). I’m not really sure how any of these would perform as choppers or splitters. I guess maybe I should think about a larger fixed blade if I am going to be batoning or chopping. What do you guys think?
 
really any kind of fixed blade can be used for batoning, and i have even seen someone baton-chop through a peice of wood. as long as the blade is sufficient to get a split started, you can use wedges (sticks rocks etc) to split it further.
 
You guys gave me allot of great answers. But it’s got me thinking. Do I have the right fixed blades?

You know, I've been thinking the same thing. I've always carried a 5" - 5.5" fixed blade, plus a folder, with me into the woods, but after reading this message board for some time I'm thinking that this is not the best answer.

Right now I'm waiting for delivery of a Becker Necker (impulse purchase -- got a good price on it), and then I'm thinking about a larger blade, like a Becker BK-1 or a Kuhkri, to complement it. That plus a SAK or a Leatherman should just about cover the bases I think.

On the other hand, a 5.5" fixed blade plus a folder is all I've ever needed when building shelters, making fires, doing other chores, so do I really want to change my strategy?

Always something to think about, yes?
 
Big choppers make big tasks easy but make smaller tasks nearly impossible. If I carry a big chopper I want to have another regular sized knife as well as a folder on me. I always carry a folder so thats never an issue, FWIW I carry a folder with a saw blade. The smaller knife is to handle most camp chores and the big knife is basically an axe substitute.
I have changed my way of thinking here of late. I now like to carry a medium sized knife with a pocket chainsaw and of course I always have my folder. A medium sized knife can be used to baton decent size logs and its an adequate chopper. The chainsaw can be used to build shelters and due most of the large tasks the chopper would be used for. This setup is much lighter and much more sheeple freindly.
 
Hey Will...

I hate to say it,, but Scouts canada is turning our youth into a bunch of mindless pussys..

I was a scout leader a couple of years ago, and allowed my scouts to carry anything they wanted,, within reason,, and told them if anyone had a problem with it to come and see me...

A fixed blade is no more dangerous than a folding knife,, if used properly..
If they stab themselves with it,, they shouldn't have it in the first place...

I'm just now getting back into scouting,, and have learned while I was away they they Aren't allowed to bring knives of any sort to Scout meetings...

I'll tell you right now,, That's About to change...

Scout moto is "Be Prepared" How the F can a scout be prepared without a knife...???

How can I teach them to use a knife when they don't have it with them..
It's a Stupid f-ing rule,,and I'm going to have something to say about it..
If they have their knife card,, they should be allowed to carry it..As a matter of fact it should be Mandatory they carry it.....

That just pisses me off,, Frigging Sheeple training Scouts!! give me a Break....

When you look in the Scout handbook,, you Won't find a picture of me..
I'm the guy with all the knives, and the pellet gun who shoots Squirells for his scouts to cook!!!

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You guys gave me allot of great answers. But it’s got me thinking. Do I have the right fixed blades? From what I have collected it seems like id be using them to baton/ chop with(I don’t hunt so getting blood and guts in my folders mechanisms has never been a problem) The current fixed blades I own are: Sog Trident II, Sog SEAL pup ( I use it for SCUBA diving...so this one actually gets used) Boker Applegate(very impractical unless you are fighting...it was an impulse buy) a Camillus pilot survival knife and I am building one of the modern bowie knife kits (this is what got me thinking about the topic). I’m not really sure how any of these would perform as choppers or splitters. I guess maybe I should think about a larger fixed blade if I am going to be batoning or chopping. What do you guys think?

To answer your question, I wouldn’t necessarily go for bigger knives, but a higher quality small / med sized fixed blade and THEN maby think about a big knife or hatchet. I agree with what most people have said already, and the post above mine especially. Having several knives is always best

Lets bring the focus away form huge fixed blade vs. folder for a moment. The utility of a small to med sized fixed blade (say 4.5" blade ideal, nothing under 3" or over 6"), I believe, is superior to that of most folders. For one thing the handles on fixed blades do not need to be designed with a place for the blade, therefore they are usually more comfortable / ergonomic. Also folders are made to fit in your pocket, and the handles are for the most part thinner than ideal (I've got big hands too, so its more so for me) if its fine work you want, wouldn’t you rather have a small fixed blade with a handle and blade shaped for maximum utility? And you can baton most good small fixed blades if needed.

As stated by coyotesniper69, if your carrying a large knife or hatchet already, I don’t see any reason why you wouldn’t also have a small or med sized fixed blade (or folder) too. Sure if it’s a hypothetical “one knife” deal there could be some debate, but that’s kind of a pointless argument anyway. If you’re prepared for the woods or have a survival kit in your vehicle, you’ll probably have a couple knives. If your just hiking and get lost, its whatever you have on you, probably not a 9” fixed blade. I’m not putting down big fixed blades at all, in fact I’ve got a FBM on order, I’m just saying that for most things you will use a smaller knife. Whets wrong with the knives you’ve already got? I don’t mean to sound critical here but steel, steel, steel. None of the knives you mentioned are made of quality steels at an appropriate Rockwell for a superior obtainable edge and good edge retention (some would argue, but I'm a huge tool steel freak), and most are shaped poorly for utility. Suggestions on quality fixed blades of a reasonable size? Bark River (I love these, there convex ground too), Ontario TAK 1 (4.5”) and RAT 7 (6.5”) in D2, Benchmade Nimravous in D2 (or M2 if you can find it), Mark Terrell Stealth to name a few. Good small / med fixed blades seem to be having a renaissance.
 
I now like to carry a medium sized knife with a pocket chainsaw and of course I always have my folder.

Just for clarification's sake, can you define what you mean by a "medium sized knife"?

Also, it's my understanding that pocket chainsaws have a habit of breaking. Is there a brand that's better than the rest of the field?
 
My shadow 4 has a 5.5" blade (according to the CRK website) and the Busse HellRazor has around a 6" blade(I dont know the actual length and I am in Korea seperated from it right now)
The Pocket chain saw I have was picked up from the local BX, It has seen some heavy use but I have not had it for very long so I cant go into great detail about its durability. I just know it has worked for me.
 
My shadow 4 has a 5.5" blade (according to the CRK website) and the Busse HellRazor has around a 6" blade(I dont know the actual length and I am in Korea seperated from it right now)
The Pocket chain saw I have was picked up from the local BX, It has seen some heavy use but I have not had it for very long so I cant go into great detail about its durability. I just know it has worked for me.

lol. My Mountaineer II also has a 5.5" blade (gotta like CRKs) but for some reason I don't think of it as a medium sized blade. I think it's the largest fixed blade I've ever owned, so maybe that's the problem.

Is the Pocket Chainsaw that you have the same thing that Doug Ritter talks about here:

http://www.equipped.com/saws.htm

Thanks.
 
looks like it. Here is what I have been carrying on nature hikes:
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and here is a pic of the saw in action:
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