What happened to CRK???

I don't know about all this... I know knife people shonuff get fired up about their brands though; I'm not even going to say the "S" word. Anyway, I bought a couple CRKs both made 2017 not long ago because I heard such good things about them and seemed to be a good balance between simplicity, class, utility, a bit stylish, a perfect looking edc. After carrying them I definitely think they're a higher quality than other brands like ZT, spyderco, etc. I can't put my CRKs down, love em, carry them everyday, but they're only nice if you care about the precision, style, etc. I would still recommend ZT, spyderco, benchmade as the best all around for looks, performance, price, but my 2017 Anne/ Tim CRKs are perfect and I use the crap out of both small sebenza 21 and large inkosi
I definitely felt a little weird that Mr. Reeve himself wasn't the main player anymore being the damn name is Chris Reeve Knives, but Anne started the company with him and Tim was brought up by him, I think of this change as a new chapter in the CRK legacy.
 
Does anyone know when left handed Sabenzas started becoming an option?
Since the beginning, or were they only introduced later on?
Don't know if this helps but my first cousin has a left handed Sebenza that he bought new in the early 90's so they've been around for a long time.
 
FWIW, after watching the video in the first post, I checked every one of my CRKs. I have 6 of them. Not one has that problem. Two Ti-Locks, tanto Zaan, a large Inkosi, small Inkosi, and a CF small Inkosi.
 
About 2 years. I think he got divorced and somehow she ended up with the company.

Wow, I leave BF for a while and even CRK is no longer CRK.

I find it interesting that people are commenting here (I assume knife aficionados) and don't know that Chris is what set CRK apart. I guess I should have known things were not the same when I ran into that Cold Steel video of the Sebenza failing to hold 45lbs and did not see immediate improvements/feedback from Chris. Seems like the knives where no longer being made "the best I know how to make them at the time". Plenty of lesser knives equipped with the Chris Reeve Integral Lock ("frame lock" for the uninitiated) pass the Cold Steel test at 45 lbs.

I'm sure it broke a lot of hearts to see THE knife made by the man who invented the lock fail so easily.

We'll always have Paris.
 
Wow, I leave BF for a while and even CRK is no longer CRK.

I find it interesting that people are commenting here (I assume knife aficionados) and don't know that Chris is what set CRK apart. I guess I should have known things were not the same when I ran into that Cold Steel video of the Sebenza failing to hold 45lbs and did not see immediate improvements/feedback from Chris. Seems like the knives where no longer being made "the best I know how to make them at the time". Plenty of lesser knives equipped with the Chris Reeve Integral Lock ("frame lock" for the uninitiated) pass the Cold Steel test at 45 lbs.

I'm sure it broke a lot of hearts to see THE knife made by the man who invented the lock fail so easily.

We'll always have Paris.
That "test" by Cold Steel was a joke. Go to the 01:00 time mark on the video; Demko sheepishly shows where they drilled through the Sebenza. He them mounted the knife by torqing a bolt at the base of the lockbar; causing the lock to slip. Deceptive would be an understatement of that video.
 
Wow, I leave BF for a while and even CRK is no longer CRK.

I find it interesting that people are commenting here (I assume knife aficionados) and don't know that Chris is what set CRK apart. I guess I should have known things were not the same when I ran into that Cold Steel video of the Sebenza failing to hold 45lbs and did not see immediate improvements/feedback from Chris. Seems like the knives where no longer being made "the best I know how to make them at the time". Plenty of lesser knives equipped with the Chris Reeve Integral Lock ("frame lock" for the uninitiated) pass the Cold Steel test at 45 lbs.

I'm sure it broke a lot of hearts to see THE knife made by the man who invented the lock fail so easily.

We'll always have Paris.
It is unacceptable because as far as I understand she had been working with him for many years.
 
That "test" by Cold Steel was a joke. Go to the 01:00 time mark on the video; Demko sheepishly shows where they drilled through the Sebenza. He them mounted the knife by torqing a bolt at the base of the lockbar; causing the lock to slip. Deceptive would be an understatement of that video.
Yup. Cold steel "test".:rolleyes:
 
May you elaborate on this? The current 21s still have the pivot bushing system, don't they? Unless I misunderstand what you mean by that.
I made an error. Poop happens.
I meant to say AFTER the 21, referring to post #15 that I quoted.

I still prefer my earlier Classic 2000s to my 21 micarta handled Insingo.
 
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Come on Dano!! Don't you know if there's a YT vid on any subject that it's more reliable than the New York Times!!
I'm gonna put my Sebs up for sale today!
I'm aiming for $50 apiece!
Hope I'll get my asking price!
Ugh!
I was really happy with them......till an actual Yooo Toooober told me I shouldn't be.
Joe

One self indulgent YouTube video equates to catastrophic problems with the whole company? Blah...blah...blah...
 
I don't think that was the youtubers goal. But if it allows me to buy yours off you for 50 a pop so be it. :)

The video just made people in this thread chime in with their opinions (hopefully from experience) that the company is not the same as it use to be.
Saying they're still great is not the issue, they are.
Many were never comparing CRK to other companies,
just comparing CRK to themselves. How they are now and how they use to be.
Some have noticed the difference.
That is all.

Also, many would argue that the New York Times is heavily biased and not the best source of info either, and would rather listen to their favorite youtube news channel . . . ;)
 
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Wow, I leave BF for a while and even CRK is no longer CRK.

I find it interesting that people are commenting here (I assume knife aficionados) and don't know that Chris is what set CRK apart. I guess I should have known things were not the same when I ran into that Cold Steel video of the Sebenza failing to hold 45lbs and did not see immediate improvements/feedback from Chris. Seems like the knives where no longer being made "the best I know how to make them at the time". Plenty of lesser knives equipped with the Chris Reeve Integral Lock ("frame lock" for the uninitiated) pass the Cold Steel test at 45 lbs.

I'm sure it broke a lot of hearts to see THE knife made by the man who invented the lock fail so easily.

We'll always have Paris.

It's funny when people LOVE to see CRK knives (allegedly) fail or have faults that a knife from Krypton shouldn't have. Always gleefully. Usually by people who have never even owned or used one.

ANY knife can fail if stressed beyond its intended purpose. I can easily destroy a Tri-Ad locking knife; just do something stupid, like lay it on its side across two bricks and step on it. My niece can do it. No fancy setup needed. But it's still a relevant test, because you never know what lateral forces will stress it during use, right?

I've never read a single post where anyone has ever claimed the lock on a CRK knife failed during use and the blade closed on them. It's never even come close to happening to me, and I've been using CRK knives off and on for 15 years.

BTW, in the past, I've had some criticisms of CRK knives, mainly to do with CRK's insistence on convex edge bevels. So I don't get annoyed by someone critiquing or disliking CRK knives, especially by someone with actual experience with one. However, I never use the pat answer of, "You just need to buy one, then you'll understand." Because that's a bit silly, IMO. If someone isn't interested or doesn't like them, who cares? The thing is, CRK is one of those companies who have the most haters who hate them (or love to denigrate them) who have never actually owned or used one before, just because it's the "in" thing to do.

Jim
 
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Oh man, the idiocy on display in some of these comments is getting extraordinary.

For those who are confused, as opposed to willfully ignorant, Chris hasn't been overseeing the company since at least 2014. This is all super old news. Anne co-founded and co-ran the company from the beginning. The litany of "the wife stole the company somehow" is just garden variety sexism and uninformed projection.

If anything has changed at all of substance at CRK in the last few years it's only that they improved the heat treat on their S35VN.

Don't we remember when that was the big complaint about CRK? That Chris Reeve was some kind of moron who would always run his steel too soft? Now the line is that the knives used to be perfect back then but they're falling apart now, apparently? I can't keep streams the uniformed whining straight.

See: http://knifenews.com/chris-reeve-knives-confirms-what-industry-insiders-already-knew/
 
I found it odd when the Cold Steel test came out, a knife like a Sebenza (two of them at that) would fail on such a low weight. As I have used one pretty hard and it never gave me reason to think it was so weak. I didn't know how the test was done exactly, so I handed mine to my dad who can curl 150 pounds of weight on a straight bar. He put on some tough leather gloves, to protect his hands and holding the butt end in his right hand and the blade in his left gave it hell a few times. Nothing the blade never moved at all.
 
Your dad will never get a job at Cold Steel at this rate.

That was not a test by the way; it was marketing for Cold Steel.

Just like any other advertising it should be looked at suspiciously. The more outrageous the claim the higher the burden of proof.
 
Oh yeah, we even put duct tape over the edge so he could really crank down on the butt of the handle and the blade. After that I was satisfied my Sebenza wasn't going to fail.
 
While not a response to the Cold Steel test, I think his response would be similar to this
"In recent months, there have been so many threads and individual posts that, either by allusion or directly, question our knives, our integrity, our choice of materials, our workmanship, our designs – well, almost everything that is Chris Reeve Knives. I thought I would make one statement that outlines some of my philosophy, reviews some facts and responds to issues rather than to try to post individual answers.

I am not super-human; I make mistakes, mis-quotes and mis-judgments right along with the next person. I am passionate about my knives and my company. I have been involved in manufacturing for 38 years. I apprenticed as a Tool and Die maker and worked in that trade for 13 years before becoming a full time knife maker. I made my first knife in 1975. I tell you all of this to endorse the fact that the majority of my life has been spent in studying and working with steels, knives and cutting edges. That I have the ability to design knives is a bonus, and is an area at which I have worked hard. I believe in simple mechanisms designed to function optimally, with the closest attention to engineering detail and with the best available materials. In the 26 years of Chris Reeve Knives, these characteristics have been the foundation of this small company that we humbly recognize as a leader in the knife industry. I adamantly support manufacturing in the United States and, unless absolutely unavoidable, will use only US made products.

Whenever I design a knife, and particularly a folding knife, I spend hours and hours working through every conceivable variable the knife might present, and I spend hours with our machinists who contribute ideas and criticisms. So, when we introduce a knife to the market, there has been extensive research into materials, blade hardness, geometry of blade and cutting edge, ergonomics of the handle, relationship between thumb lug and pivot, lock mechanism, style of the thumb lug, size of the pivot bearing etc. etc. etc. Because of this, we have no qualms about offering an exceptional warranty on our knives and we support our products with the kind of customer service I, personally, like to receive.

I well understand that the forums are an arena for discussion and I fully understand freedom of speech. I am always willing to hear discussion about customer’s experiences with our knives, their likes and dislikes, their compliments and criticisms. I also fully understand what our knives will withstand and what causes them to perform at levels lower than expected. I have no desire to call out by name those people who modify a knife and then decry it’s performance; I have no wish to cast aspersions as to any one person’s obsessive behavior that keeps them opening and closing a knife compulsively to the detriment of the knife; I have no wish to comment when a particular poster is reporting absolute conjecture, or nonsense, or extrapolated speculation. I do ask that if anyone has a problem with our products, they contact us before exploding a thread on the forum. In all honesty, monitoring and replying to every thread is far more time consuming than we are able to support.

On the strength of the above, here are some facts, opinions, clarifications and specs:

· Any of our folding knives, assembled correctly, will open and close smoothly. Remember that they are intended as robust, working knives and they will not feel the same as many other folding knives. When opening a Sebenza or Mnandi, use a sideways, sweeping motion with the side of your thumb against the lug. The Umnumzaan opens by pushing the lug forward, parallel with the handle, with the top of your thumb.

· The lock should engage at between 50% and 75% of travel. With the Umnumzaan, because the interface between the blade and the lock bar is a ceramic ball, it is the ball that must be at 50 – 75%. This will give the visual that the lock bar is further over than with a Sebenza.

· The tension on the lock bar of every knife is set at our workshop. There should be no need to reset that tension.

· All screws should be snugly tightened down onto the pins – there is no need for Loctite, nor is it necessary to super-torque the screws down. (Exception - see comments on Umnumzaan pivot.)

· With the Umnumzaan, Loctite is necessary in the pivot assembly. The threads in this assembly are machined to very close tolerance; the drop of Loctite gives additional rigidity. It also prevents the pivot from backing off. Loctite is an accepted engineering screw retention substance used in a wide variety of industrial applications including medical, electronics, automotive and aerospace. We do not “glue” our knives together. Extensive thought went into all aspects of this pivot assembly – it did not happen by accident.

· My choice to change our folding knife blade steel to S30V was thoroughly thought through, as was the selection of RC hardness 58-59. I was privileged to be involved in the development of S30V with the metallurgists at Crucible Steel – they asked what attributes I wanted in a steel and they delivered. At RC 58-59, the blade will hold a good edge and will be easy enough to sharpen. One of our tests resulted in S30V cutting 14,000 linear inches of e-flute cardboard before notable edge wear against 12,000 for BG42. I have been completely satisfied with the performance of S30V.

· There should be no blade play; there should be no lock movement. If there is, something is out of spec and the knife should be returned to us for inspection. The causes are probably a result of incorrect assembly or modification of the lock. There is the possibility that left our shop that way – we are not infallible – but we know these instances are few and far between and we will take care of the situation.

· What is the purpose of a spine whack test? Folding knives are designed to cut when the blade is open. They are designed to be stored when the blade is closed. They are not designed to be hit on the back of the blade, or to be used as hammers. I assume there is some theory that this will test the strength of a lock but it is a test with no valid function.

· Our knives are not designed as rapid deploy weapons or as worry beads but as cutting instruments.

· Our knives are precision instruments. Treat them as such. In other words, perform maintenance and cleaning periodically and they will operate safely and efficiently for a life time.

· Any manufactured item can be destroyed. “Testing” products in outrageous and unrealistic circumstances provides no useful result. The knee-jerk reaction from many viewers is usually inflammatory and results in unrealistic negative assumption of the abilities of the product. Before accepting such testing as gospel, please think about it.

· If you have a problem with our product, whether perceived or real, please contact us first. We always respond as soon as we can to email and telephone calls. The progression of a post on a perceived problem usually sets in motion all kinds of extrapolation, criticism and negative comment that benefits no one, least of all us. This is a public forum – what is posted here can be read by absolutely anyone, so think about what you say.

Response to a specific thread: “CRK Heat Treat” thread with a quote from an article posted on our website. The article’s author misquotes me when he cites 61-62 RC. We treated BG42 to 60-61RC. I appreciate knowing about this misquote – it has been a long time since that article was published! The article will be withdrawn from our site.

And in conclusion, I give my sincere thanks to the many dedicated and passionate, interested and not-so-interested readers of our forum. By and large, it is a lively place with good discussion and ideas! To those who own our knives, thank you for your loyalty and your trust in Chris Reeve Knives. Without you, we would not be here!"

Chris
 
Anyone in Canada who wants to loan me a Sebenza for a week let me know. The more used the better.

I'll track down a butchers glove and do some weight lifting. Probably even be able to ghetto rig a chunk of wood as a safety guard.
 
Two! Despite being a fan of both Chris Reeve and the Hawks, I never managed to buy one. Boy am I kicking myself now.
LOL Yes, the original and the In Motion models. I love them. I've been looking around for the other two, but haven't had any luck. I don't want to buy them used. I'd rather purchase them new.
 
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