What is so special about the Ratmandu?

Well now I know why the ratmandu is so popular. As soon as I pulled it out of the package I said "Damn! This is a perfect knife" Its a stout knife in a small package. I can't wait to get some use out of it! Thanks for the help guys

Awesome! Glad you finally got it. :cool:

And while everybody's still reading this thread, how about I hijack it. :eek::D

I have 2 RMD's, and I am sorely tempted to strip one of them. My question is- for people who have stripped their RMD's or other coated SR101 blades- what do you do with the handle scales?

Do you take them off, strip everything, then put the scales back on? In that case, do you do anything to protect the metal under the scales?

Do you just leave the scales on? In that case, what happens at the edge of the scales?
 
Greg,

I don't have time right now for a long detailed answer. So, I will have to try to be brief.

Most of what I have done to date has been to remove the coating and grind up close to the scales at the ricasso to remove as many pits and machine marks as possible. But, in most cases, the micarta scales in particular are not square and I can't really feasibly grind all around the scales on the flats. It is quite frustrating and one of the annoyances (to me) :grumpy: of having to put SO MUCH effort into making CG blades how I want them = SATIN!

* If you look carefully at the satin RMD I posted, you will notice a darker gray around the scales at the ricasso. The pommel is the same. This "gray" is under the coating and is typically sanded off on the parts of the blade you can "Get" to. Once you sand through the gray, you will reveal more pits and machine marks that are hard to see through the gray. But, the gray is too hard to sand around the ricasso next to the scales, the guard and the pommel. So, until I get the tools and equipment to re-install scales, I have to live with it. :grumpy:

However, the spines and bellys of the tang can be sanded to remove pits and marks. In the process, you will sand the scales as well. Micarta and G10 sand just fine. In most cases you will probably want to start with 100 - 220 grit and move to finer grits that will actually polish the micarta and G10. :thumbup:

**** Apparently, the resins in micarta and G10 are a bit toxic in the lungs. So, wear a mask whenever creating dust with those materials!

I have researched and know how to remove the scales and re-attach the scales.

But, I don't have time right now to do the research and post links or type it all out - considering there are a "Few" worthwile thread to read.

So, do a search using Bladeforum search tools or probably better: use Google Advanced search and specify www.bladeforums.com as "specific site / domain" to only search.

I don't remember the best key words, but I think "Flare tube" would be one of the main key phrases to search for (????). - Maybe "Hollow tube", "handle rivet" ....????

There are a few threads.

Removing the scales and re-attaching them would give significantly improved end "finished" results. And further, having the scales off while doing the work makes the work easier. But, you have to have the right tools to remove the scales and re-attach the scales.

Functionally: A strong argument could be made that leaving the coating on the tang under the scales is the best protection against corrosion and might be worth not hassling with scale removal for the benefits of corrosion resistance under the scales. But, you would either have to live with slightly unfinished satin work around the ricasso and pommel areas. Or where out your fingertips trying to polish by hand or similar.

A Dremel tool might sound like an obvious solution. But, my guess is the various satin swirl marks (that don't match you other satin finish marks) you are most likely to achieve with a Dremel probably look worse than the matte gray. :o - So, I don't think I would recommend the hassle. - Maybe others are better with a Dremel than I am. :o

Removing the scales is reasonably easy "IF" you have a drill press!
(research to confirm bit size), but you just drill out the flare tubes with a (I think) 1/4" drill bit. A drill press with the knife "VERY SECURELY" clamped is HIGHLY recommended.

***** One of the forum guys sliced his hand up VERY bad by not clamping a blade when he drilled out the flare tubes. The bit can catch into the tube and sling the blade around like a propeller at very fast speeds.... and likely sling the blade after that fun is done. So, while having your hands and arms severely sliced up might suck, it could be lucky compared to possible alternatives. :eek:

I have seen the pics of this guys hand. Rather than me searching for and posting, just take my word that it was gruesome. And just be VERY aware and cautious that power tools and sharp blades are potentially a VERY dangerous combination.

Most people don't realize how well a drill bit can stick into metal, bite deep and drill bit, metal and all other attached pieces become one big spinning hazzard.
Serioiusly, DON'T create a situation or get on the wrong size of a HIGHLY out of balance sharp metal blade spinning at about 2,000 rpm or so. :eek:

Pretty much most any blade weight - when out of balance! - would be plenty to snap a piddly 1/4" drill bit at those speeds.

Having drilled through steel before, I HIGHLY recommend a drill "Press" for this type of steel drilling. A press is suited for clamping of material. It won't torque and break your wrist if a heavy duty blade catches. And it allows for much better control and slow cutting. If you lower the bit slowly and controlled, you can shave steel rather than bite deep and stick - which a hand drill is way more prone to doing.

Sorry for the lecture, but feel I should use attach serious cautioning disclaimers in the even certain people read and decide to try without knowing what could happen if done wrong.

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Once you remove the scales, you can strip the coating and satin finish much easier.

Then you re-install the scales.

To re-install the scales, you need:

- flare tubing - there are different types used. I am not sure which is best yet. If I remember correctly, 1/4" tubing - Can be purchased from many various knife-maker supply vendors online. Seems to need to be well polished at tips were cut to help avoid splitting.

- a flaring die - apparently there are certain screw heads that can be modified to work well. But, most seem to recommend lots of lube to help the die flare the tube and also help prevent splitting the tube.

- A Heavy Duty Vice or press with LOTS of psi


* Worth doing the research and reading some of the other flare tube scale install threads.

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I would recommend at least putting a good coat of wax on the area covered by the scales. SR-101 will trap moisture under the scales and it will rust.

Other options to possibly consider: put a lacqure coating under the scales (mark where the scales go with a pencil and brush that area).

Or you could epoxy the scales on. But, be carefull with epoxy drip out. You would need to clamp to epoxy properly. And you would need to make sure the scales are lines up properly. So, I would probably flare the tubes before the epoxy dries and only use epoxy that allows at least 30 minutes work time. As you clamp, epoxy will drip out. It will be a mess and you will need to wipe up excess epoxy - especially on the ricasso and pommel where you can't easily sand it off if it dries. After it gets past the given epoxies "work" time, it usually doesn't drip much anymore and can be set to finish curing.

But, typically, Busse does not use epoxy and just relies on the flare tubes to hold the scales on. With the right tubes and if flared properly, they hold pretty well.

But, satin SR-101 will rust under the scales over time. Ultimately, that rust doesn't matter much. In most cases, it is just surface rust that is trapped under the scales and won't amount to NEARLY enough to be a concern.

If you left the scales submerged in salt-water for say 10 - 75 years (?????), then it might get messy.

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For maintenance of exposes SR-101 on ALL of my satin SR-101 blades (and all my users are SATIN!!!), I use Ren-Wax - which works very well for the exposed areas.

If an SR-101 knife were stripped under the scales, Ren-Wax or lubricants should do pretty well at sealing the gaps between the scales and tang as well.

I even use Ren-Wax on my micarta scales. Micarta has the canvas (cotton) material in it and micarta absorbs liquids pretty well. If wet enough, I think it would saturate to the tang.

The Ren-Wax actually makes micarta look quite nice and seals it without being slippery like lube. :thumbup:

Hope that is enough to answer some of your questions and get you in the direction to answer most other questions. :thumbup:



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Hey thanks! That's much more than I was looking for.

I've already read a number of threads about dealing with tube rivets. I don't have a drill press or a bench vise and won't be acquiring any (no room) but I could possibly get access to them if it were worth it.

I was just hoping for some practical experiences of what people who stripped SR101 blades did, and why.

As for how to protect the stripped steel under the scales I've considered vaseline, grease of some kind, wax, or epoxy. Something like silicone grease or epoxy seemed like the best bet, they'd stay in place and not cause trouble (ranging from increased viscosity and dripping out, to "ohmygodFIRE") if the knife got hot.
 
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Hey thanks! That's much more than I was looking for.

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I was just hoping for some practical experiences of what people who stripped SR101 blades did, and why.

If just looking for a "Practical" approach, leave the scales on and leave the coating on under the scales. Ultimately, the removal of the scales is more work.

If you have all the right tools and materials, removing the scales to finish those little extra areas around the scales at the ricasso and pommel is probably actually easier than trying to do the extra detail work around the scales.

But, from a "Practical" approach, the best solution is to just not worry about the areas around the scales. Just satin finish what you can reasonably get to with your preferred satin finishing tools. I use a belt sander.

Ultimately, I personally believe a satin blade and especially a well convexed edge improves "Cutting" performance - in "most" cases. So, I would like satin for that reason alone.

But, I also WAY prefer the looks of satin.

However, the areas near the handle provide no functional advantages in being satin. The only advantages to getting a NICE satin finish around the ricasso and pommel are aesthetics. And as I mentioned before, a pretty easy arguement could be made to leave the coating on under the scales as it WILL help a lot in avoiding corrosion. - Probably second best option behind epoxy.

Outside of the unfortunate corrosion that SR-101 is prone to and needing to deal with that, I personally feel a satin finish looks and functions better than a coated blade.

The only things the coating offer are:

- cheaper to produce (, but only by a bit in actual production - vs. a PITA for a do-it-yourselfer with common home grade tools and once handles are attached, coatings sprayed on, etc.),

- corrosion resistance (which is relevant on SR-101 (not INFI), but I prefer satin still for function and looks, so I manage with Ren-Wax),

- "Ninja Stealth Mode" needs. :rolleyes: - might be justified by "SOME" military uses. But, I don't get it for civilians.

- In all fairness: some people actually seem to like the looks of the coatings... I just don't :barf: and I don't understand why other would. :confused:



....they'd stay in place and not cause trouble (ranging from increased viscosity and dripping out, to "ohmygodFIRE") if the knife got hot.


LMAO...:D .. probably true.

I think the wax is probably still a decent consideration, but just not likely to last nearly as long as epoxy.

I am not sure about longevity between silicone vs. wax. I would think if protected against being rubbed off (as they would be under the scales) and not subjected to 150 degree or higher temps, they would both last well.

I don't know about silicone flamibility or the wax for that matter. I would assume the wax is quite flamable in the can. It has a strong petroleum distilate smell and it will stink up a room for a few hours (I should probably use outside, but never do. :o). But, once it is dry, it doesn't have the chemical smell anymore and it clears the room eventually.

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Ok, as promised here are some pics of my new ratmandu, as well as a custom M6 for comparison.

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Magnum Micarta on the M6, G10 on the RMD
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Gray crinkle finish
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I love this knife. Its really going to be tough choosing any other knife for camping, over this knife. The size is perfect. Its obviously not a chopper, but when car camping it doesn't need to be. I have the option of bringing multiple tools. It feels much better on a belt than a DF, or even an ASH-1.
 
Awesome...

The swedge on the M6 is sick looking.

I did my RMD in by buying a a Camp Tramp...another perfect knife!
 
bought my RMD new at a show for I think $69 a couple years ago - picked it up carelessly, started bleeding and said "well I guess this one's mine." Sold it later for $200 used when I needed money. I can't think of another knife I regret selling, but that one I do! Best all-arounder I've ever seen.
 
Blade 08.........isn't that when they came out? $69......I would have bought a table of them......that is cheaper than the Bandicoot ever was!!!
 
Although there is much to recommend the RMD, I prefer the s5. Very similar knives overall but the s5 is lighter. The mudder res-C grip feels great to me where as the G10 RMD I owned seemed overly slick. I love the look of that gray and G10 blade though.
 
Although there is much to recommend the RMD, I prefer the s5. Very similar knives overall but the s5 is lighter. The mudder res-C grip feels great to me where as the G10 RMD I owned seemed overly slick. I love the look of that gray and G10 blade though.


The G10 is just a bit more slick than micarta.

The Mudders are quite grippy.

I like the S5 a LOT.

And for bang for the buck and performance to weight ratio, the S5 probably delivers a bit better value.

But, while I do like the performance of Res-C, I prefer the look and durability of micarta. Both Res-C and micarta have their pros and cons when compared to each other.

I feel the RMD has pretty good balance and feel, but it is heavier than the S5 and one of the most significant improvements I think that could be made to the RMD (and a few other Busse and kin full tang knives) would be to skeletonize the tang.

Skeletonizing the RMD's tang would lower the RMD's over-all weight by at least 1.5 ounces and maybe as much as a full 2 ounces. This won't make the RMD quite as light as the S5, but it will still be a noticable weight reduction that would feel a bit nicer in the hand, balance a tad bit better (slight personal preference, but not a big deal) and carry lighter on the belt. :thumbup:

Maybe a minor improvement, but just as the S5's lighter weight is noticable and appreciated, a lighter RMD would be appreciated as well. But, I like the blade thickness. So, I wouldn't be too interested in making lighter by thinning the blade. I would prefer skeletonizing the tang. :thumbup:

Of course the BEST thing that could be done to the RMD would be to offer it SATIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, a skeletonized tang with a SATIN finish would be the ULTIMATE LE RMD. :thumbup:

Where do we put in our requests...... ;)

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So, a skeletonized tang with a SATIN finish would be the ULTIMATE LE RMD. :thumbup:
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The only thing I would add to that RMD LE would be make it in INFI.

If the S5 LE can be INFI why not an RMD LE.

That would be THE ULTIMATE RMD!:D:thumbup:
 
The only thing I would add to that RMD LE would be make it in INFI.

If the S5 LE can be INFI why not an RMD LE.

That would be THE ULTIMATE RMD!:D:thumbup:

.... Well, .... that would be GREAT and indeed the ULTIMATE RMD. But, it would ULTIMATELY probably cost too much and ULTIMATELY be priced higher than I can justify... Same as the S5LE was priced higher than I felt it to be worth.

For my purposes, SR-101 offers "at least" as good edge properties as INFI.

INFI is technically tougher, but SR-101 is PLENTY tough enough for all my needs, so I don't really personally feel I need any tougher than SR-101.

But, INFI is WAY more corrosion resistant and that does have value to me. If priced at just a "little" more, I would choose INFI. But, INFI always costs WAY more. :(

The S5 costs TWICE as much in INFI as the S5 in SR-101. Granted the INFI version is the LE in "SATIN" which I HIGHLY prefer. But, at twice the price, I chose to strip my SR-101 version. I wish the LE version of the S5 had been reasonably priced. :(

So, even with satin finish aside, SR-101 is WAY cheaper.

I think Jerry would ultiimately charge WAY too much for a satin INFI RMD.

Plus, I think the only reason Jerry might allow Scrap Yard to have INFI is because of Res-C being something Busse doesn't offer.

Since a micarta Swamp Rat with INFI would essentially be a Busse....... I don't think Jerry will release a Swamp Rat RMD.

And I doubt he will duplicate the RMD design as a Busse design.

But, who knows, maybe Jerry will make a RMD with a skeletonized handle and drop the point a little, call it something else and make it INFI.... :confused:

But, if it is to be a Busse, there is a good chance it will have a Talon Hole :rolleyes:, a worthless, "possibly" annoying, non-functioning choil :thumbdn: , and if satin be priced at about $500 or so. :thumbdn: :grumpy:

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Since a micarta Swamp Rat with INFI would essentially be a Busse....... I don't think Jerry will release a Swamp Rat RMD.

And I doubt he will duplicate the RMD design as a Busse design.

But, who knows, maybe Jerry will make a RMD with a skeletonized handle and drop the point a little, call it something else and make it INFI.... :confused:

But, if it is to be a Busse, there is a good chance it will have a Talon Hole :rolleyes:, a worthless, "possibly" annoying, non-functioning choil :thumbdn: , and if satin be priced at about $500 or so. :thumbdn: :grumpy:

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Turn that frown upside down. :D (Sorry, I've just been looking for an excuse to say that.)

This is an interesting line of thinking. While I don't think Busse would ever put out an Infi RMD (have to maintain some brand identity, and identical repeats are boring), slightly modified reissues are possible- think Ratweiler and Chopweiler. So if Swamprat gets to use some Infi a tweaked RMD-based design is possible.

As for pricing, IMO the Jackhammer is very close to being a bigger RMD and it wasn't that expensive.
 
Well now I know why the ratmandu is so popular. As soon as I pulled it out of the package I said "Damn! This is a perfect knife" Its a stout knife in a small package. I can't wait to get some use out of it! Thanks for the help guys

Yep. It is still my favorite 5" blade knife. :D
 
.... Well, .... that would be GREAT and indeed the ULTIMATE RMD. But, it would ULTIMATELY probably cost too much and ULTIMATELY be priced higher than I can justify... Same as the S5LE was priced higher than I felt it to be worth...

...The S5 costs TWICE as much in INFI as the S5 in SR-101. Granted the INFI version is the LE in "SATIN" which I HIGHLY prefer. But, at twice the price, I chose to strip my SR-101 version. I wish the LE version of the S5 had been reasonably priced. :(

Interestingly, I find the value of the S5LE to be the opposite of what you find. Yes, if we compare it to the SR-101 it may seem to be a significant price increase. However, if we compare it to comparably sized INFI blades from Busse, we find that it's being offered at a relatively low price. Many comparably sized INFI blades are offered from Busse for $100+ more without the satin finish. If we consider that INFI blades tend to increase significantly on the secondary market, the S5LE makes even more sense value-wise.
 
It's basically a slightly modified Satin Jack in SR101. I didn't like the Satin Jack, hence I don't own one. I wish it didn't have that honker of a choil.

the handle is better then the tac handles, because the back palm swell is less severe and in a correct anatomical position for how the hand rests when you grip something hard.
 
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