What is the big problem about throwing RAT's??

I've seen alot of people give advice against throwing knives. I've yet to see anyone actuLly upset by it. You can throw knives all day long and noone is going to care. But if someone asks about it, people are going to point out that there is never a real life situation where it'd be necessary to throw a knife.

Youre misunderstanding that advice as insults, or people trying to control. I don't think that's actually the case
 
i find it amusing its an issue any way.....eather way... but if i was to error on the side of causion ... and learning after having my period of throwing knives... its just not a great idea to do it... and given how many inexperianced things and accidents i have seen happen... i would say yea throwing an edged tool is a liability... im also a craftmen... i make money on my tools... if i mess em up... thats my lively hood. i also spend lots of money on them. and a lotta time learning how to use them and use them safely. rat knives wernt designed for throwing. ... can you sure... but its just not a great idea.

the bottom line , is when your an adult, and you take as much liability out of an activity... then go for it... but generaly speaking most people who do things like this also dont follow rules eather... using any thing for something for something its not designed to do , and involves a risk is not always consitered bright especialy when damage is done... but you will also have to take the responsibility for those actions. if you do that no one can say one way or another. now if your actions can be unsafe for those around you then i will have issue....
 
Dizwolf said:
I've seen alot of people give advice against throwing knives. I've yet to see anyone actuLly upset by it. You can throw knives all day long and noone is going to care. But if someone asks about it, people are going to point out that there is never a real life situation where it'd be necessary to throw a knife.

Youre misunderstanding that advice as insults, or people trying to control. I don't think that's actually the case
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No, no missunderstanding here, just seems people are a little testy when it comes down to it. Seems people have forgotten about gentle persuasion.

Just trying to get an idea of the other side of the coin so to speak, I see a lot of new people join and participate here in the RAT forum and wonder if they are speaking from experience or just from something they read on the internet. Jeff says it's bad so it must be bad. Get the idea.

:)
 
I see what your saying. I'd like to think on obvious topics like this, my opinion can be my own. And considering how many of us have rc5s, it's fairly clear we don't always take jeffs advice.
 
somberbear said:
i find it amusing its an issue any way.....eather way... but if i was to error on the side of causion ... and learning after having my period of throwing knives... its just not a great idea to do it... and given how many inexperianced things and accidents i have seen happen... i would say yea throwing an edged tool is a liability... im also a craftmen... i make money on my tools... if i mess em up... thats my lively hood. i also spend lots of money on them. and a lotta time learning how to use them and use them safely. rat knives wernt designed for throwing. ... can you sure... but its just not a great idea.

the bottom line , is when your an adult, and you take as much liability out of an activity... then go for it... but generaly speaking most people who do things like this also dont follow rules eather... using any thing for something for something its not designed to do , and involves a risk is not always consitered bright especialy when damage is done... but you will also have to take the responsibility for those actions. if you do that no one can say one way or another. now if your actions can be unsafe for those around you then i will have issue....
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Understood. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to this thread. To be honest I only throw my cold steel trailhawk (the purpose I bought it for) and my old Ontario RAT7. If the trailhawk breaks I am down $25 and not hurting, the Ontario has been long replaced by a Busse or two, so if it breaks which seems unlikely (it has been thru a lot) I am still not hurting. Although I do spend a lot of time with folks who throw their Busses, mine stay in my hand or in the sheath.

I look forward to the purchase of an RC-3, my Izula has been sent on to a fellow forumite, the RC-3 should cover EDC duty well. EDC does not include throwing, but weekend recreation might!!

:)
 
haha i had a case pocket knife , i would have a few beers and toss a few times , i got ok with it on a dart board... till its tip broke and had a razor sharp peice of bounce steel... which make me feel sick... that and i was out a knife for a bit

but yea... general its just good old fashioned advice... but its brought up so very very much i think some people are tired of being polite... thats why i normaly skip em... same advice ...
 
somberbear said:
but yea... general its just good old fashioned advice... but its brought up so very very much i think some people are tired of being polite... thats why i normaly skip em... same advice ...
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that's probably where the percieved rudeness comes from. the question gets asked once or twice a week, and it may as well be the same person asking. the answer's always the same, but it gets a little shorter each time. they're not meant for throwing, there are much cheaper knives designed for that purpose, blah, blah. i've got a couple cold steel throwers. that's what they're for. that's what i use 'em for.

don't know how many times i've been asked if i throw my izula.
 
For a while there, there was this whole 'anti-batoning' thing going on in BF. Where these young crusaders would go thread hunting, and whenever they'd see the words 'batoning a knife' they would say something stupid like, you should carry a hatchet for that.

This all started as an over-reaction to the knifetests.com in an attempt to get into peoples heads that you shouldn't baton metal on metal. However, the backlash was overstated and went tpo far. People started thinking that batoning using wooden batons was also bad and that no knives should be batoned. There was even a stupid video put out about how all you were ever supposed to do was cut paper and cheese and stuff. Sure, I admit it that I cut the cheese too, but I also got my wood in the bag if you know what I mean.

Anyhow, it seems that batoning wood is sanctioned by the upper administration at RC, but throwing isn't. So none of us recommend throwing for fear of testing the waters for warranty. Nobody wants to put Jeff and Mike in an awkward situation. Truth is, they will in all likelihood honor the replacement. However, honesty is a two way street. Jeff and Mike trust us to be on the level with them too!
 
Howdy,

To start with, I have store bought, cheap throwing knifes, bought for the purpose. I also have custom built, mountian man style throwing knifes and throwing hawks. They are fun to throw and designed to do so. The custom throwers are rather large and have leather scales to help them last longer - a throwing knifes scales take quite a beating!

However, a Rat knife isn't designed to be a thrower. The steel is not correct and the edge will be damaged. The scales are not designed for the throwing impacts and will get knock loose/damaged.

I think most of us on this forum know the damage throwing a Rat knife could do and get tired of the repeated new posts "Can I throw a RAT Knife", so yea, some responses can seem "pointed".

It's just like someone asking if they can use a Rat knife to pry paint can lids off and pry concrete blocks out of your driveway. Sure you "can" but it's not the right tool for the job and eventually you'll damage the knife.

It just envokes a wince response.
 
Hey, it's your stuff, do what you want with it. Don't let anyone here tell you what to do or not to do. Throw your knives, and please post stories of how you 're-profiled' your RAT's. We'll be especially amused by your new RC-3 Wharncliffe mods. :thumbup:
 
So how long before the question is asked "what knife can I tie to a stick for use as spear?"
Just kidding
 
I've got an old Edge Mark throwin' knife designed to throw, I wouldn't use it for anything else but throwin' but why throw a good knife made for better things, then again as has been echoed many times, it is your knife do what you want with it.
 
darkwaters said:
So how long before the question is asked "what knife can I tie to a stick for use as spear?"
Just kidding
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hahahaha....kinda like this:D:

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i used it to get more rope out of a tree for the shelter building contest.
 
This thread brings up an interesting point ,a point I would never bring to issue by throwing but if you read the RAT Cutlery Warranty it never says anything about abuse in a negative way.However it does state if you cut your knife in half with a torch they will replace it no questions asked ,is this not abuse?? I would never send a knife in for warranty work if I had been too hard on it by throwing but when is reasonable use turning into abuse ?Some knife companies say batoning in gross abuse,I say what knife did you baton with ?I don`t understand why they would word the warranty in such a way if they didn`t expect door prying,knife throwing,brick cutting knife nuts to break some blades.I love my RATs no question,but I think people should not be so defensive and try to steer people to the light with kindness and friendship.
 
thebrain said:
...the RAT Cutlery Warranty it never says anything about abuse in a negative way.However it does state if you cut your knife in half with a torch they will replace it no questions asked ,is this not abuse?? I would never send a knife in for warranty work if I had been too hard on it by throwing but when is reasonable use turning into abuse ?
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Ratcutlery gives us a no bullshit warranty. The only thing they ask us in return is give them no bullshit in returns. They have stated often enough, that they know they will be bitten by the odd curmudgeon now and again, but their reputation will rise above these petty losses to reach the honest masses.

So, when somebody asks if throwing a knife is a good idea, the answer is no, its not a good idea. Its a stupid idea. If you break a knife because you did a stupid thing, rat cutlery will still replace your blade. However, you should be made to know that you did a stupid thing. That your requesting a knife replacement after breaking it doing a stupid thing is a stupid thing to do and this makes you a curmudgeon. RC will suffer your curmudgeonness to fulfill their philosophical direction. However, it still makes you an ass.

If you want to throw knives, break them, and not claim a warrenty. Well, hey - that is just a tonne'o'fun ain't it????
 
kgd said:
Ratcutlery gives us a no bullshit warranty. The only thing they ask us in return is give them no bullshit in returns. They have stated often enough, that they know they will be bitten by the odd curmudgeon now and again, but their reputation will rise above these petty losses to reach the honest masses.

So, when somebody asks if throwing a knife is a good idea, the answer is no, its not a good idea. Its a stupid idea. If you break a knife because you did a stupid thing, rat cutlery will still replace your blade. However, you should be made to know that you did a stupid thing. That your requesting a knife replacement after breaking it doing a stupid thing is a stupid thing to do and this makes you a curmudgeon. RC will suffer your curmudgeonness to fulfill their philosophical direction. However, it still makes you an ass.

If you want to throw knives, break them, and not claim a warrenty. Well, hey - that is just a tonne'o'fun ain't it????
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Exactly what I was thinking. :thumbup:

Just use common sense, it really shouldn't be that hard. If you use the knife for something it wasn't intended to be used for and the designers even tell you that it wasn't designed for that purpose, why would you do it? Other than to strike controversy and make yourself look like an ass there really is no reason. If you feel a need to throw a knife then why can't you throw a different knife designed for the purpose?
 
What scares me is what CAN happen next. Patagonia used to have one of the most iron clad warranties ever. I used to work in outdoor retail. And I saw people bring in 20 year old shorts and want a new pair free. Seriously. Well, we did it. But come on... so in time. Patagonia got a little more tough with it.

Same thing with Vasque boots.

I'm not suggesting that things would go that way with RAT. But I hate to think they could because people took advantage of a good warranty.

But still, I still stand by the fact that I dont use a screwdriver as a hammer, and vice versa. LOL

I could keep going with these analogies... try me! LOL
 
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