What is the smallest caliber you trust to protect yourself?

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My personal favorite defense gun has always been a Beretta Jetfire in 22 short. Over all the years I've been hiking I never leave without it in my pocket.

Of course we all know too the first rule when hiking in the wilderness is to use the "Buddy System".

For those of you who may be unfamiliar with this it means you NEVER hike alone, you bring a friend or companion, even an in-law, that way if something happens there is someone to go get help.

I remember one time hiking with my brother-in-law in northern Idaho.
Out of nowhere came this huge brown bear and man was she mad.

We must have been near one of her cubs.

Anyway, if I had not had my little Jetfire I'd sure not be here today.
Just one shot to my brother-in-law's knee cap and I was able to escape by just walking at a brisk pace.

That's one of the best pistols in my safe.




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I wish I was allowed to carry any of my pistols. But, alas, until Canada changes it's archaic firearm and self-defense laws, I'll have to settle for beatin feet if trouble shows up :mad:
 
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I carry a little NAA .22 Mag PUG. I know I know, that lil pea shooter. I dont anticipate being in a gun fight with it. I will say this, I wouldnt want to be shot in the face with a .22Mag / pea shooter. John
 
My personal favorite defense gun has always been a Beretta Jetfire in 22 short. Over all the years I've been hiking I never leave without it in my pocket.

Of course we all know too the first rule when hiking in the wilderness is to use the "Buddy System".

For those of you who may be unfamiliar with this it means you NEVER hike alone, you bring a friend or companion, even an in-law, that way if something happens there is someone to go get help.

I remember one time hiking with my brother-in-law in northern Idaho.
Out of nowhere came this huge brown bear and man was she mad.

We must have been near one of her cubs.

Anyway, if I had not had my little Jetfire I'd sure not be here today.
Just one shot to my brother-in-law's knee cap and I was able to escape by just walking at a brisk pace.

That's one of the best pistols in my safe.




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Too Funny !!!!
 
Reminds me of the tips on how to id grizzly feces by the bells and pepper smell :D

As for my personal thoughts on minimum pistol caliber, .38 special +p is lowest I will carry and prefer 9mm or .45acp.

I love my Glock 26 and 30.

I was in the market for a .380 and almost bought an LCP, but I just cant get convinced on that cartridge when I can always carry at least my j frame for the 5% of the time I can't carry my Glocks....
 
Maybe it's overkill, but .357 magnum or 9mm would be the smallest for me. I'm looking to get a Ruger SP101 2.25" barrel for my CCW handgun. I'd carry .357 mags in that for sure.
In the woods, I like to have my S&W 586 4". I want to get some Corbon 200 grain hard cast for the outdoorsy type animals.

I can't say from experience, but I don't have faith that a .22lr or .32 auto, or a .380 would be enough to STOP an attacker.
 
Love the story Skunk! For me a 22lr is bare minimum. As long as the firearm is accurate enough to place hits where they count, I will carry it :) my usual carry s a 9mm though but I pack my little 22lr kit guns when camping and hiking. Not too worried about bears and such so 22 is fine for the woods. Downtown though.............then I want bigger bullets :)
 
I'm partial to the .45 acp in my 1911. It was designed to be a big, heavy, slow bullet and you don't need anything fancy when it comes to the round, so I carry 230 grain ball ammo.

Tracking through the woods, I usually have my .41 mag, we don't have bear here so it'll be good for anything out there. But, a 460 S&W in a 5" barrel is definitly on my list, you know, for rabid squirrel :D
 
I have carried a Glock 22 for 20 years now until recently I started shooting and carrying a 1911. From what I know now, the .45 acp has no comparison.
 
I always have my Ed Brown with me, but Santa is going to leave me a PPK/S in .380 tonight.
The thing about a small caliber is you just need to be prepared to shoot them in the face...
But then, I still think that old movie called "Solent Green" was a documentary about the future....wanna see my grills?
 
BTW Skunk, Happy belated B-Day, I was going to give you a call but my Uncle passed away on the 18th and messed up my schedule..

So...Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
 
Awesome Skunk LMAO, thanks!
I only carried 9mm or .45 but would have carried .22lr if I had one, better than nothing or a pointy stick...;)
 
Great story!

As to the handgun question...........guys, I'm going to hurt feelings when I say this, but "stopping power" as it's sold in the gun world is a wonderful gimmick to fill gun magazine pages with. Everyone loves to tout the old story about the army using Colt .38 revolvers unsuccessfully in the Phillipines against charging, kris-wielding warriors and how, from that moment, the Army knew it had to get back into a 45 caliber pistol. That's true. What NEVER gets told is how, even though the 1911 pistol was only in its design phase, they got a whole mess of .45 handguns sent to them there during the fighting (many, many old 45 Colt SAAs still in the federal arsenals) and you know what? They didn't stop the guys worth anything either! When shot while running from ten feet away, the incoming warriors had a horrible habit of splitting a soldier's head open with their large blade and then dying shortly afterwards, just like they did when hit with the 38 Colt. The reliable means of stopping them was shooting them when they were farther away, which usually was done with the rifles. It's a fact, people, look it up---only look it up in a book, not a magazine trying to sell you Gold Dots. ;)

Now, am I saying that handguns are useless? No. Am I saying that a 45 doesn't hit any harder than a 38? No. What I'm saying is that NONE of them are the Hammer of Thor. You're hitting somebody with something which weighs significantly less than an ounce. Fast as it is, it can only impart so much impulse to them. All the movies you've seen where guys are shot with a 44 magnum (yes, I love Dirty Harry too) and go flying backwards are absolutely entertaining and absolute crap. Here's proof, and a fun experiment:
--Take a 44 magnum, take a pumpkin, and a 1/4" steel plate to your local range.
--Make a horizontal cut from the top down into the pumpkin with a knife and insert the steel plate down into it.
--Leave steel-reinforced pumpkin down range and walk back to your gun, preferably at least 25 yards away.
--Shoot steel plate inside pumpkin (if you haven't figured this out, the pumpkin is there to hold the plate up and also to catch any small fragments of bullet which separate off from hitting the plate).
--Notice that the plate and pumpkin, which together weigh about twenty pounds, shifted just a few inches further away from you....they didn't go flying off into the sunset.
--Understand that if this fairly healthy handgun cartridge couldn't move twenty pounds of steel and pumpkin a foot, they're not going to move a 200 pound man more than an inch or two.

That, again, doesn't mean they're useless. Real stopping power comes from shot placement. Disable the electrical responses of the body, by either destroying the brain or spinal column, OR destroy the physical structure of the body to an extent that, regardless of willpower or drugs or adrenaline, it's impossible for the system to continue functioning and moving forward (pelvis/hips no longer fit together because the joint is in fragments). Being able to hit where you're trying to hit, consistently, when you're scared to death and your own adrenaline is up, is the key. A guy who has practiced like holy hell with his Ruger MkIII 22 and can punch shot after shot into the areas he needs to when the chips are down, is WAY better armed than the guy with the 45 who can barely stay on paper when he has hearing protection, eye protection, and perfect lighting on an orange target in a nice shooting range. Now, larger calibers create larger wound channels, and you absolutely gain some probability of peripheral damage helping you out and hitting something that your bullet passed by; but again, you have to able to get close in the first place when it counts, and that comes from either luck or a LOT of practice.

If you shoot a 45 very, very well and are so familiar with your gun that it's an intuitive instrument to you that you don't have to think about at all, then great. If you can't afford to practice 45 to get to (and maintain) that level, then a 9mm that you shoot extremely well beats the hell out of that 45 you practice with four times a year. Thousands of gunfights were won in the old west with .36 caliber black powder revolvers which where shooting balls of the same weight as a modern 380 bullet at FAR lower velocity, and I promise you, today's lazy, TV watching crowd is NOT tougher than our ancestors of the 19th century who walked everywhere and actually worked for a living--they carried a lot more muscle and a lot less fat. The difference is that back in the day, people tended to be much better shots because of their lifestyle--there wasn't even weapons training up through the first World War in the United States, it was just assumed you knew how to shoot.

I carry a 1911 Commander or a full sized Glock in 45 (depending on attire) because I've put more thousands rounds through those guns than everything else combined, but it's the familiarity/ability that makes me effective with them, not the caliber. If all I have is a 22, I'm still better armed than the vast majority of people--not because of innate skill (my sisters both have more of that than I do) but because of the countless boring hours spent getting good.

Whatever you carry, practice practice practice practice practice and then practice some more. If you come across somebody who feels that he's better armed than you because his number is bigger and his bullets were featured in last month's Guns and Ammo, you can pretty safely assume that he is probably not very good, regardless of the awesomeness of his equipment. You can give a crappy violinist a Stradivarius, but don't expect fine music.
 
I Carry a G-20 with me.

But I just got a S&W Governor and it may go along with it.
Pics later
 
Reminds me of hunting with my dad and his friends growing up... I always had to sleep by the door of the tent, cabin or wherever...

Bear Bait they called it.

Being younger, they explained, I had seen and done a lot less and thus had less to lose!

+1 on NAA .22 mag Pug or Boresight Glock 27 in town, out in the field I carry a Scattergun/Wilson 12 gauge, used to carry a Ruger Alaskan but I smashed a finger last summer in bear country, out there bleeding knowing I couldn't shoot the .454 straight while injured wasn't cool.
 
I used to shoot matches at an indoor range. Sometimes we'd do bowling pin matches, usually using pistols, sometimes using shotguns with slugs. My .45 would get the pins off the table, but a shotgun slug would send the pin flying into the bullet trap at the end of the range where it would bounce around for awhile.
 
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