t1mpani
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I didn't mean to imply that there's no such thing as stopping power, but that people treat it like it's 90% of the equation, when I'd say it's about 10-15% at best---hitting the idiot is 90%. I've seen large numbers of people missing bad guys at fairly close range with rifles when their hearts get beating quick; it's amazing how much your precision drops when the target isn't paper and refuses to hold still like the friendly silhouette targets do, and is even rude enough to shoot BACK at you.
As to comfort, ergonomics are key. I would imagine the 9mm handguns you're referring to (in terms of twisting out of people's hands) are slim, sub-compact pistols that are--I agree--hard to hold onto. I will absolutely say, however, that you'll never find a single person who thinks my 9mm Dan Wesson 1911 is harder to shoot than the same thing in 45. Usually I don't speak in absolutes, but I'm not even going to acknowledge a possibility that I'm wrong on that one.
As to a 22LR in the bone...well, I don't want to be shot in the pelvis with it, but will it shatter such a large bone mass (or the upper ball of the leg)? Probably not. That said, and as other have said, it beats nothing. There's not a guy I've ever met (and I've met some big ones) who I'd rather shoot me in the chest with a 22 than punch me.
That little Kel-Tec 22 mag is a ridiculously fun gun----not the most accurate beast in the world, but for a trail gun (if you're not looking to collect prairie dogs) it does just fine, and I wouldn't feel under-armed with it in most situations.
Funny that for some, 357 mag is what they deem to be adequate; as far as the history of one-shot-stops goes (which is an inexact bit of science but still) that caliber is still pretty much the king. This is, of course, both because it's a powerful round and also because it's a round that most people can shoot fairly well.
As to comfort, ergonomics are key. I would imagine the 9mm handguns you're referring to (in terms of twisting out of people's hands) are slim, sub-compact pistols that are--I agree--hard to hold onto. I will absolutely say, however, that you'll never find a single person who thinks my 9mm Dan Wesson 1911 is harder to shoot than the same thing in 45. Usually I don't speak in absolutes, but I'm not even going to acknowledge a possibility that I'm wrong on that one.
As to a 22LR in the bone...well, I don't want to be shot in the pelvis with it, but will it shatter such a large bone mass (or the upper ball of the leg)? Probably not. That said, and as other have said, it beats nothing. There's not a guy I've ever met (and I've met some big ones) who I'd rather shoot me in the chest with a 22 than punch me.
That little Kel-Tec 22 mag is a ridiculously fun gun----not the most accurate beast in the world, but for a trail gun (if you're not looking to collect prairie dogs) it does just fine, and I wouldn't feel under-armed with it in most situations.
Funny that for some, 357 mag is what they deem to be adequate; as far as the history of one-shot-stops goes (which is an inexact bit of science but still) that caliber is still pretty much the king. This is, of course, both because it's a powerful round and also because it's a round that most people can shoot fairly well.
