It is absolutely valid and comparable, how can it not be? If AG was only more expensive than ONE other website we wouldn't be having this discussion would we? It is because on the whole he is more expensive than many of his competitors that the original question was raised. Therefore comparisons of his prices to only one other website is what would have been invalid, not comparisons to more than one. I easily found examples from multiple websites, and there are plenty more if you would look. Have you? The fact that you bought ONE thing from AG and found his price comparable is invalid for making broad judgments. And I did quantify the the value of his service and warrenty with this comment "The only question is whether or not you as an individual are willing to pay the extra and be satisfied that you got your money's worth." Did you read that far? The value of warranty and service lies with the customer and no where else. You might think it is worth it and another may not and neither of you will be wrong.
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What is with A.G. Russel?
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It is absolutely valid and comparable, how can it not be? If AG was only more expensive than ONE other website we wouldn't be having this discussion would we? It is because on the whole he is more expensive than many of his competitors that the original question was raised. Therefore comparisons of his prices to only one other website is what would have been invalid, not comparisons to more than one. I easily found examples from multiple websites, and there are plenty more if you would look. Have you? The fact that you bought ONE thing from AG and found his price comparable is invalid for making broad judgments. And I did quantify the the value of his service and warrenty with this comment "The only question is whether or not you as an individual are willing to pay the extra and be satisfied that you got your money's worth." Did you read that far? The value of warranty and service lies with the customer and no where else. You might think it is worth it and another may not and neither of you will be wrong.
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Therefore, because of the value of the warranty and services, whatever it may be, AG Russell is at a minimum as good as NGK, in terms of comparing an equally priced KaBar Dozier or Buck Nighthawk, and consequently, if you purchase from NGK, you may, infact, be screwing yourself out of additional value that you might have received in the form of Warranty and Service, if it's important to you, by foregoing a purchase from AG, because by doing so, you paid the same price and don't get the level of warranty and service, as has been posted in this thread in comparison.
Besides I know where I can buy Buck 119's all day for mid 20's and NGK is in the 40's. What is wrong with NGK? How can they stay in business? They are priced the same as AG Russell, yet offer less service and warranty?
This is the jist of this thread. It's rediculous. Everyone has their own model. If you(not you) don't like it, shop elsewhere.
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Spoken like someone who depends on other countries to provide your security.
Hey, I 'm not judging, do what you think you have to do.
I'm only saying the numbers are quite huge.
# US military spending is more than the next 46 highest spending countries in the world combined
# US military spending is 5.8 times more than China, 10.2 times more than Russia, and 98.6 times more than Iran.
# US military spending is almost 55 times the spending on the six rogue states
#The six potential enemies, Russia, and China together account for about $205 billion or 29% of the US military budget.
Don't want to go further off topic.
I bought knives for about 15 years al over the world, also with AG.
Until now I'm lucky to never had any problem.
In the end you get the same production knife, so the price does count.
When I was collecting bark river knives I made special custom request with at least 4 different retailers, all had excellent service, all had very good prices.
Of course I've never dealt with super cheap suspicious shops.
With a little good sense and forum reviews you know the trustworthy retailers.
So among the different good retailers I do look at prices (of course don't mind paying 5$ more or less)
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What's with this thread?
Sure, you can find some items that are more than the best prices you can find online, but that does not support the claim that "a good 20% higher or more on most of their knives than any other place".
"How do they stay in business?" Maybe the fact that they have for 44 years could provide a hint about the premise of the question.
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WOW...this is definitely a thread that draws a LOT of attention.
After reading 5 pages I have come to a couple of conclusions:
1) A.G. Russell is a reputable dealer.
2) Some people just enjoy arguing and degrading others.
Peter
After reading 5 pages I have come to a couple of conclusions:
1) A.G. Russell is a reputable dealer.
2) Some people just enjoy arguing and degrading others.
Peter
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I have to say how I feel about this, off topic or not, after all you stated facts and figures and I live in the USA.
I feel that the rest of NATO should spend more and stop relying on the USA to keep them free. If you think we don't deter attacks on your countries by them (aggressors) knowing we will jump in and protect them if attacked, I think you are badly deluded. Without the United States to protect the free world (at our expense) Would there be a free world?
This is all I have to say on this and I won't respond futher, sorry I felt the need to address this here.
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Kevin Cross
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In setting up a business plan, your business can be oriented to any two of these factors and be successful: 1. lowest price, 2. high quality, 3. exceptional service. A.G. has obviously chosen to go for high quality and exceptional service. I have purchased from him before and will again.
Actually yes, I agree this is correct.
If two dealers offer the same product for the same price and one also offers additional service, warranty, etc. then it makes sense to buy from that one to maximize your value. Even if he charges a little more, it might still be worth it right? Sure. This whole thread is really about at what point the extra value does not warrant the extra cost. Very subjective, which is why there is strong opinion and little agreement. There is no one saying AG is not reputable, they are only questioning whether he is worth it. Many obviously think he is. I do too in some cases, but not in others.There is an underlying assumption here that AG offers more service and warranty than NG and maybe he does, but NG is strong in that department too IMO. They are close enough that I personally don't feel influenced by it.
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Blue Sky, I've followed your posts, and mostly agree. You have made an argument most agree with, but did so in a more classy, eloquent, forthright, and educated way. At least you threw up a couple of examples on pricing and acknowledge I could throw up a couple that show the exact opposite.
I still think you may not have understood just how baseless and trashy the OPost was. It serves no purpose. Gobbledegook comes to mind. I'm sure you could have phrased the following, regarding an appreciated legend and company, in a much better way than:
"""What is up with AG?
Do these people not check other prices on the net? They are a good 20% higher or more on most of their knives than any other place. How do they stay in business?"""
That sounds nothing more than a troll would put up to stir us all up, which has indeed happened.
I still think you may not have understood just how baseless and trashy the OPost was. It serves no purpose. Gobbledegook comes to mind. I'm sure you could have phrased the following, regarding an appreciated legend and company, in a much better way than:
"""What is up with AG?
Do these people not check other prices on the net? They are a good 20% higher or more on most of their knives than any other place. How do they stay in business?"""
That sounds nothing more than a troll would put up to stir us all up, which has indeed happened.
I tend to agree with Silverdagger here. There were a couple of choices made in the OP that are direct attacks. First pointing out a single company, second choosing to do so in a somewhat derogatory manner in the title, third posting it in general knife discussion. If the OP really wanted to voice displeasure with a specific company than the thread should have went to GBU. Putting the company name in the title was a directed and calculated attack that influences readers who just see the thread title and do not click on it. The thread could have provoked the same discussion and logical merits without mentioning a specific company.
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My intent was not derrogatory. It was posted in GC because that is where I do 99% of my posts and discussions. Since I shop a lot online due too my limited access to local vendors I have a fair amount of experience buying online. Sometimes I find it interesting that some online vendors stand out in their pricing (to me if nobody else) and I posted my question looking for the justification. Some people responded to it as it was meant and we can agree to disagree. Others showed the thin skinned nature of many people today who are easy to outrage and I find humorous to bait.
