What is with the passionate aversion for shipping to Canada?

That's good of you.

But we have too many threads in this forum of sad stories of deals overseas gone bad. It does scare off legitimate sellers.

I don't mind shipping outside the US. I've done so more than once, and the extra trouble is minor. But citing businesses that do it is meaningless. Of course they have the rules down pat, they know what's legal, what carriers are preferred, how to fill out forms.

I would encourage everyone to consider shipping to legitimate buyers or traders. But it has to be their own choice. We're still trying to educate people to sell to overseas US, like Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico. Same USPS, same price. The term CONUS should be tossed out, it is usually used incorrectly,

Completely agree.
I do understand that things don't always go smooth, so in my case, I would offer cash up front to those who are skeptical.
I believe that MOST people are good, and deserve benefit of doubt. One chance, one person. If I get a raw deal or something, then I move on. I would never be so course as to blame an entire nation for the misdoings of one individual. I would not let that get in the way of doing good business with good people.
Cheers
 
I just had a transaction finish with a member in Canada. No problems at all. My biggest apprehension was that it was a folding knife, and I have read several accounts of folders that could have the blade opened with a wrist snap, being confiscated. Mainly, ship Registered Mail, and if it is a folder, make sure it cannot be opened with a wrist flick.
 
I just had a transaction finish with a member in Canada. No problems at all. My biggest apprehension was that it was a folding knife, and I have read several accounts of folders that could have the blade opened with a wrist snap, being confiscated. Mainly, ship Registered Mail, and if it is a folder, make sure it cannot be opened with a wrist flick.

Great point.
Most of mine show up tight. I ordered a Socom Delta once, and the dealer had advised me that he was going to apply a zip tie around the knife as he was a tad concerned about customs. It showed up with the zip tie intact and smooth as butter. Not sure if that is some kind of
technical hitch, or whatever. But it did seem to work out okay
Cheers
 
I don't like it because of the shipping costs, and most of the time, the buyer doesn't want to pay them

If they don't want to pay, then sure, don't sell.
I have no problem paying the actual cost of shipping.
Gouging: no. Real price: yes. :)
 
I've shipped to Canada. I've shipped to UK, France, Russia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, overseas AFOs, and other countries I can't remember. Luckily I've never had a knife go missing. But every time I do so, there's a nervousness and apprehension. Will the Customs official believe that this knife is a "camping tool"? Will they believe that 5 pocket knives are mere "cutlery" worth only $90USD? Will they even get there without falling into the ocean first? Maybe the Customs official has sticky fingers. Maybe the box won't hold up. Etc, etc, etc.

For example, I sold my Benchmade 42C balisong to a gentleman in France. For those that don't know, the 42C is a rare (one of 100) and historically significant knife for balisong collectors. On one hand, I would have preferred to have another American own it, from purely a patriotic point of view. OTOH, it could quite possibly be the only one in the country of France, and be a prized example in his collection. It arrived safely, but what if it didn't? The knife would be lost forever. That thought worried me more than the buyer being out a couple hundred bucks (or Francs, or Euros, or whatever they were using at that time).

Frankly, I don't mind the hassle of shipping internationally. A few more minutes (really) at the post office is no skin off my back, and I know I'm doing a favor for someone who certainly appreciates it. It's just that the fear of the knife or knives not reaching their new owner makes me nervous.

Which brings me to my final point. Scammers. In my nearly 10 years of membership here, I have built a reputation of honesty and trustworthiness in my dealings (and other forums as well). When I've shipped internationally, it has always been on the condition that once it leaves the USA, I'm no longer responsible for it reaching the buyer. That requires a lot of trust on the buyers' parts. Because who is to say that I didn't send an empty box, or a box filled with rocks, or a cheap knife in place of the real one, or that I even sent anything at all? And of course, there's the risk that the buyer isn't on the level either. Even with the condition that I'm no longer responsible once it leaves the USA, the buyer could still raise a beef if the knife never arrives. There's no tracking outside the US with the Post Office, so who's to say that I ever sent it? As I said, I hope the reputation I've built backs me up, but that doesn't mean a scammer could at least try to screw me over.

Again, I must repeat that I've never had any problems selling internationally. I'd be inclined to say that such a thing is the norm and to be expected, but the frequency of incidents that other people have had can only make me think that I've been pretty lucky in that regard. I'll continue to ship internationally, but I can't help but assume that it's only a matter of time before something goes wrong. And in that regard, I understand trepidations some might have to only sell domestically.

As for CONUS only, that makes no sense to me. Shipping to Alaska or Hawaii is no different than shipping to your next door neighbor, except that it takes a couple extra days. I shipped once to Guam. No extra skin off my teeth.
 
I would do certain places like Canada, US territories, places like Guam... But international can be a PITA. Some post office workers insist that "weapons" and "sharp objects" are illegal to ship international and you have to lie. Customs form I declare it as "tools".
 
The way I look at it is if someone doesn't want to sell me something
To heck with him
There are plenty of places to spend my money
I have never had a single problem with any products shipped from the USA to me, although a couple of times Customs hit me with a nice tax

Having said that I also won't buy from sellers trying to gouge me on shipping either
I've had guys try to charge me $45 usd for shipping when the actual cost was under $20 usd

I've never had any problems shipping stuff to the USA either
 
The other tip I picked up as well: If the knife is made in the USA label it as such on the Customs Label. Evidently this can help alleviate a certain tax. I would have to look it back up.
 
As far as I know, if a knife's value is found to be untruthful on the customs form, they will asses their own value and charge you as such.
 
THough the only SERIOUS problem I have ever had involving shipping outside the USA was 6 Spydercos to Canada(customs seized them), I will still ship there as long as the buyer pays the Express Insured mail for the full amount and label it as cutlery. I have had on multiple occasions buyers request I try and divert the proper term of cutlery and label as camp tool or something to that extent or too tighten the pivot before shipping which says to me not even they are fully certain of the outcome. Of course no one can ever be certain I get that.
 
Tightening the pivot is just a precaution
Many perfectly legal knives can become prohibited if the pivot becomes too loose and you can flick it open
The same can be said for those same knives in many states in the USA
 
THough the only SERIOUS problem I have ever had involving shipping outside the USA was 6 Spydercos to Canada(customs seized them), I will still ship there as long as the buyer pays the Express Insured mail for the full amount and label it as cutlery. I have had on multiple occasions buyers request I try and divert the proper term of cutlery and label as camp tool or something to that extent or too tighten the pivot before shipping which says to me not even they are fully certain of the outcome. Of course no one can ever be certain I get that.

I do the same thing with regards to labeling customs forms. I have had the best shipping times to Canada when I label knives exactly as they are., for example, Spyderco PM2 or ZT 550, and not being vague with camping tools. I did that a few times and it took around 2-3 weeks. When I started labeling the customs forms more specifically, I got shipping times of around a week, sometimes less. That's just my experience though, YMMV
 
The way I look at it is extra time to ship International equates to a lesser net amount to me plus the added risk of customs so I am better off lowering my price a bit before even considering shipping outside the US. I used to ship internationally on a popular auction site and maybe shipped a couple a dozen times to EU countries, Japan and Canada and the only time I lost money was on a shipment to Canada.

I love visiting Canada, have enjoyed the friendship of several Canadians and dig your bacon but I just don't feel it is in my own best interest to ship there as long as I can get the price I need in the US of A.
 
Not sure about other countries but as I say over and over again, labeling the Customs Documents "Camping Tool" etc is not fooling anyone when you ship down here. Each and every package is scanned on the way in, no that does not seem to mean that they see "everything" as people make mistakes but there is no secret that your box contains a KNIFE.... they don't actually read each label BTW ;) When people ask I always suggest that the correct descreption for here is "Fixed Blade Knie" or "Folding Knife" as applicable. Folding knives to here are hit and miss, our Customs are much like Canada it seems on this issue. To here if the declared value of the goods is under $1K aussie then there are no charges tax etc applicable, if the declared value is over $1K then it is hit and miss if they pick this up, but as long as you are honest then then that is fine as well.

Andy
 
The chance of packages being opened is even more slim if it is properly labeled and identified as a "gift" on the customs form.



Yeah, that's real smart.

Lying about sold merchandise being a "gift" if the first sign of bad advice.


Shipping it Canada is a PITA, and lying on the customs form is the last thing anyone should consider.


I ship overseas quite a bit, but I cover my ass and recoup my expenses when I do.

Making the buyer cover all additional expenses on shipping, insurance and any additional taxes goes without saying.

But I have seen many deals go south when the buyer claims to never receive the package, and the added confusion of multiple postal systems and customs leads to bureaucratic red tape.

Shipping within America is much safer for us Americans, and I understand why many of us refuse to ship north.


Threads like this telling me how safe and easy it is to ship to Canada are BS as far as I'm concerned.




Big Mike
 
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I'd rather not, just because it's the difference between printing a label from the comfort of my couch and then walking it out to the mailbox in my boxers, and driving out of my way to the post office and standing in line for 20 minutes. Not to mention that many weekdays I can't get to the post office while they're open, which makes things that much more inconvenient.
 
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