What knives do you find overrated?

[strategy9]

I like butter pecan ice cream

 

[druid189]

6AL4v titanium containes 6% aluminum, 4% vanadium, and 90% titanium. I don't think it's considered strong aluminum, it is strengthened titanium.

From Wikipedia:

Grade 5, also known as Ti6Al4V, Ti-6Al-4V or Ti 6-4, is the most commonly used alloy. It has a chemical composition of 6% aluminium, 4% vanadium, 0.25% (maximum) iron, 0.2% (maximum) oxygen, and the remainder titanium.[5] It is significantly stronger than commercially pure titanium while having the same stiffness and thermal properties (excluding thermal conductivity, which is about 60% lower in Grade 5 Ti than in CP Ti).[6] Among its many advantages, it is heat treatable. This grade is an excellent combination of strength, corrosion resistance, weld and fabricability.
"This alpha-beta alloy is the workhorse alloy of the titanium industry. The alloy is fully heat treatable in section sizes up to 15mm and is used up to approximately 400°C (750°F). Since it is the most commonly used alloy – over 70% of all alloy grades melted are a sub-grade of Ti6Al4V, its uses span many aerospace airframe and engine component uses and also major non-aerospace applications in the marine, offshore and power generation industries in particular."[7]

Just sayin

Hey, don't let facts get in the way.

I'll go one better than him though...
All atoms are made of miniscule amounts of actual "stuff", with the vast, vast, VAST majority being empty space.
Why should we pay money for what is essentially empty space filled with nothing at all?

Matter is highly over-rated.

...and a polished turd is still a turd. Not saying the Sebenza is a turd...even a polished one...or any other knife like it for that matter.....but overrated and price over inflated for its diminutive size? Yep. I don't care if it comes with a free chunk of Platinum coated Kryptonite.

 

[Krissig12]

...and a polished turd is still a turd. Not saying the Sebenza is a turd...even a polished one...or any other knife like it for that matter.....but overrated and price over inflated for its diminutive size? Yep. I don't care if it comes with a free chunk of Platinum coated Kryptonite.

There needs to be a hall of shame for more than just the GB&U

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Sheesh you guys. This circular debate is getting mighty tiresome


For me the sebenza is the best overall because it fits my needs. I feel that it offers excellent cutting ability, about as good as any other similar knife, but also adds in a whole crapload of style. Beautiful aesthetics (IMO), perfect proportions, and a perfectly engineered design that is the result of decades of tweaking. Plus there's the added durability from the tolerences, the excellent warranty, and the exclusivity from the limited numbers being produced compared to other production companies. You can't honestly tell me its won as many awards as it has for no reason whatsoever. The knife may not suit your needs or fit your style, but it is undoubtedly one of the finest production knives ever produced. The bottom line is I thoroughly enjoy owning and using mine, and that is why its the best for me.

I have no problems with any of this, the Sebenza is an exemplary knife that's exceptionally well made. Not for me, but an excellent blade. I just always wonder what people are basing their judgement on when they declare something like that the best without qualification.

Edit: Okay, I do have minor issues with the claim of tighter tolerances equaling added durability. Not saying it's absolutely not true, just that I've never seen or heard any significant evidence that it's true in something as simple as a folding knife.

 

[ebidis]

Asdf, do you even knife bro?

Just LOL!

He is very discriminating in his tastes.

 

[ebidis]

I have no problems with any of this, the Sebenza is an exemplary knife that's exceptionally well made. Not for me, but an excellent blade. I just always wonder what people are basing their judgement on when they declare something like that the best without qualification.

Edit: Okay, I do have minor issues with the claim of tighter tolerances equaling added durability. Not saying it's absolutely not true, just that I've never seen or heard any significant evidence that it's true in something as simple as a folding knife.

Ok, let me start by saying that I own a Sebenza, and I think it is a very high quality knife, and worth the money. If I didn't, I would not have bought it. I also own a variety of knives from many other makers, which I also like, so I don't think I'm a fan boy.

To address the question of better tolerances=added durability:
while I have no actual evidence that this is true, I think it may stand to reason that tighter tolerances, and smoother fit would mean it will take longer for the knife to become loose and sloppy; since it was tighter and smoother to begin with. If that makes any sense.

 

[Joe58]

I think this thread has gotten overrated.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Ok, let me start by saying that I own a Sebenza, and I think it is a very high quality knife, and worth the money. If I didn't, I would not have bought it. I also own a variety of knives from many other makers, which I also like, so I don't think I'm a fan boy.

To address the question of better tolerances=added durability:
while I have no actual evidence that this is true, I think it may stand to reason that tighter tolerances, and smoother fit would mean it will take longer for the knife to become loose and sloppy; since it was tighter and smoother to begin with. If that makes any sense.

I agree with you, but those kind of assembly tolerances are gone the second you disassemble the knife (and disassembly is a selling point of the Sebenza). I figured we were talking more about the incredibly precise demands on each part being exactly the right dimensions to within a tiny fraction of a millimeter. That stuff is cool, but I question what benefits it actually imparts to the end user.

 

[ebidis]

I agree with you, but those kind of assembly tolerances are gone the second you disassemble the knife (and disassembly is a selling point of the Sebenza). I figured we were talking more about the incredibly precise demands on each part being exactly the right dimensions to within a tiny fraction of a millimeter. That stuff is cool, but I question what benefits it actually imparts to the end user.

In my experience this is untrue. It is precisely because of "the incredibly precise demands on each part being exactly the right dimensions to within a tiny fraction of a millimeter" that a Sebenza goes back together exactly the way it was before disassembly, and still maintains those exacting tolerances. That is the benefit it actually imparts to the end user.

 

[Wolverine666]

I think this thread has gotten overrated.

Hahaha , you may have a point 😃

Anyway , I also have found the Sebenza overrated. But I still like mine just fine. But I find it much less impressive than a lot of people do. There are a number of other knives I'd rather have for much less $. But to each his own. I like that there's such a diverse variety in folders. Keeps this hobby alive and competitive.

 

[Hackenslash]

I have one Sebenza, a small 21 CF. It's in my pocket right now. I think it's easy to lose a sense of appreciation for the entire genre of knives that have spun off from the Sebenza design. It's been such an influence on so many other designers and manufacturers (and rip-offers), that I don't think you can really consider it over-rated, even if it doesn't match your preferred ergos and knife function.

In terms of the Sebbie being unimpressive...I think I have to kind of give a nod to that concept. Part of the charm of the Sebenza is that, by design, its simple and unimpressive. I think that has a lot to do with why I like mine. That, and being able to take it down and put it back together with such ease.

And...ALL ice cream is over-rated. Pie is where it's at!

 

[nick21]

You know what I think is overrated? Bashing a well-made knife with a passionate following just to piss people off.

I don't even own a Sebenza but it's clear that Leatherman and druid are trying to rile people up...

 

[22-rimfire]

.....but overrated and price over inflated for its diminutive size? Yep. I don't care if it comes with a free chunk of Platinum coated Kryptonite.

I need the kryptonite so my super powers are not observed by others. With Chris Reeves knives, if you like them and can afford them, by all means get one or three.

 

[@LeathermanGX]

I like butter pecan ice cream

Hell yeah, sounds good.

 

[thatsaknife]

I am actually surprised on how good of a knife can be had for so cheap.
I often belt carry a buck clone in an old Gerber sheath. The knife works ok is kept sharp and cost a couple bucks so if its lost no biggie. Underrated really when you think about the history of steel knives.

 

[@LeathermanGX]

I have one Sebenza, a small 21 CF. It's in my pocket right now. I think it's easy to lose a sense of appreciation for the entire genre of knives that have spun off from the Sebenza design. It's been such an influence on so many other designers and manufacturers (and rip-offers), that I don't think you can really consider it over-rated, even if it doesn't match your preferred ergos and knife function.

In terms of the Sebbie being unimpressive...I think I have to kind of give a nod to that concept. Part of the charm of the Sebenza is that, by design, its simple and unimpressive. I think that has a lot to do with why I like mine. That, and being able to take it down and put it back together with such ease.

And...ALL ice cream is over-rated. Pie is where it's at!

What!? Pie is just something to melt your ice cream on. Doesn't even matter if I finish the pie.

 

[craytab]

Well I gotta say....$350 for a mostly aluminum knife with a blade of about 3" IS a little ridiculous....just saying....

and Titanium is probably alloyed with what? Aluminum. So it's 'strong' aluminum - it's still aluminum....and still has less than a 3" blade.

Edit: And I'm not necessarily cracking on the Sebenza....I'm going to crack on any knife made with an alloy for handles and less than a 3" blade for that kind of $$

Um, if you are going to say stuff you might want to check if it is factually correct first. The handles are titanium as has been pointed out to you already. And as for a sub 3" blade.....you know they make different sizes and types right? Guess what.......wait for it.....my sebenza has 3.65" blade! Go figure!

 

[Wolverine666]

I have one Sebenza, a small 21 CF. It's in my pocket right now. I think it's easy to lose a sense of appreciation for the entire genre of knives that have spun off from the Sebenza design. It's been such an influence on so many other designers and manufacturers (and rip-offers), that I don't think you can really consider it over-rated, even if it doesn't match your preferred ergos and knife function.

In terms of the Sebbie being unimpressive...I think I have to kind of give a nod to that concept. Part of the charm of the Sebenza is that, by design, its simple and unimpressive. I think that has a lot to do with why I like mine. That, and being able to take it down and put it back together with such ease.

And...ALL ice cream is over-rated. Pie is where it's at!

Another vote for pie here. Coconut cream please.

 

[Sikael]

I agree with you, but those kind of assembly tolerances are gone the second you disassemble the knife (and disassembly is a selling point of the Sebenza). I figured we were talking more about the incredibly precise demands on each part being exactly the right dimensions to within a tiny fraction of a millimeter. That stuff is cool, but I question what benefits it actually imparts to the end user.

The Sebenza has very precise tolerances, and maintains those tolerances after repeated disassembly/reassembly. That's a testament to a well-engineered design; I'm not sure anyone with a three-digit IQ is capable of screwing up a CRK while attempting basic maintenance (maybe if you're afflicted with 'sausage-finger syndrome', and manage to bend a washer).

The 'benefits' a well-made knife 'actually imparts to the end-user' don't need restating... but what the hell, lets get blindingly obvious -- would a sloppily built PoS be somehow preferable? Would you rather live in a home built completely out-of-square? WTF problem could anyone have with quality and precision? After taking apart knives that don't have the same tolerances, knives I still like immensely, but cost a bit less, I've seen the benefits of the Sebenza's elegant simplicity. For some very well-regarded but less expensive knives, disassembly means voiding a warranty and a lot of mucking around to get them working properly again.

You might not care about how the knife is constructed, or precision, or perceived quality, and you don't have to pay for it -- fair enough. For myself, I've found a direct correlation between precision and quality in every tool I've owned. I don't think you or any of the Sebenza-bashers are interested in changing anyone's mind. It's just a case of passive-aggressive trolling, something this thread was made for, sort of. Everyone came here to talk shit about a knife or brand that didn't live up to our expectations, some more politely or insistently than others... but it's all good. I don't think anyone will be buying or selling a Sebenza on the basis of this thread, and the same applies for every other knife or manufacturer that's had dirt kicked all over it (including Benchmade ).

 

[slorenzo]