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Agreed.
Yeah, but I was referring to "real world" scenarios, while you, on the other hand, are in Texas.
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What Makes A Folder A Fighting Folder?
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Agreed.
Yeah, but I was referring to "real world" scenarios, while you, on the other hand, are in Texas.
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Not exactly, quite the opposite is true. If you have ever had to use a knife for an extended period of time cutting through tough material, it can be a good thing to help keep a grip on the knife.
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Agreed.
Yeah, but I was referring to "real world" scenarios, while you, on the other hand, are in Texas.
Good point!
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Audiboy was attacked by a guy with a tire iron, and he used his Manix 2. South American soldier killed insurgents with a 110 knockoff (and got a Condor fixed blade named after him), a US Soldier mentions in a youtube video about using his Hatamoto to kill a gunman. Saw a video of a British teen kill another with a two inch folder, they didn't show the knife itself.
Well, my Baconmaker will hopefully only be fighting things like the cantaloupe it cut up today.
I guess the reason I asked the question is because I assume that there are "legitimate" knife manufacturers out there (Benchmade, Spyderco, custom makers, etc.) that market "fighting folders" with a straight face. I realize that any knife can be used as a weapon if need be, but surely these task specific knives have some merit with certain groups other than mall ninjas.
Sure. For instance the Spyderco Civilian was made for undercover law enforcement, and the Benchmade 860 (maybe the 8600) was made for the security team of a Jordanian Prince. The large majority of Emersons were designed without utility as the main use. There's lots of quality folders out there that were designed specifically this way. Lots.
Now that I think about it, Spyderco, for one, deserves alot of credit in that they are willing to work with and produce knives based on the designs of guys who often study, train in, and further develop specific tactics and what they believe are ideal knives based on those tactics. Take for example the: Yojimbo, Chinook, P-Kal, Ayoob, and Gunting. They're all pretty different and were each designed by someone with a different belief on what's best, generally based on what technique he feels will work best. You can call these knives what you like, and use them for what you like, but they were designed with a common use in mind.
There is definately a market for these knives. Some sit in collections and are never used, some get used daily for tasks other than what they were designed, some are bought by guys who are enthusists of weapons in general, some get carried by military and police, and some are purchased by aware citizens who favor prepardness. Regardless of why they get bought, we should all be greatful they aren't needed/used more often for their original purpose.
Now that I think about it, Spyderco, for one, deserves alot of credit in that they are willing to work with and produce knives based on the designs of guys who often study, train in, and further develop specific tactics and what they believe are ideal knives based on those tactics. Take for example the: Yojimbo, Chinook, P-Kal, Ayoob, and Gunting. They're all pretty different and were each designed by someone with a different belief on what's best, generally based on what technique he feels will work best. You can call these knives what you like, and use them for what you like, but they were designed with a common use in mind.
There is definately a market for these knives. Some sit in collections and are never used, some get used daily for tasks other than what they were designed, some are bought by guys who are enthusists of weapons in general, some get carried by military and police, and some are purchased by aware citizens who favor prepardness. Regardless of why they get bought, we should all be greatful they aren't needed/used more often for their original purpose.
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Well, essentially any and all knives can be a "fighting knife"... Because they are all cabable to help you defend yourself... Such as a ball-point pen...
But i do understand what you mean, and well.. for instance if your going to iraq or afghanistan (or just wanted a "tactical" folder on your person) well.. there are several things you want to look for in that knife..
To Start, you want to make sure the blade is at least 3" or more.. any less and it makes it harder for you, because you'll need to get in closer to him as opposed to being able to keep a good distance...
Another thing you'll want to look for is the blade shape... Everyone will rush into "OH GET A TANTO"... thats BS... sure a tanto is GREAT for piercing ... but beyond that... nothing really so essentially a tanto is most effective as a stabbing weapon, and most tanto blades do not have belly to them, so you cant "slash" as good...
I'd say a knife such as the Strider RW-1.. (which is a tanto) Is a great choice.. but again you need to be comfortable and know how you will deploy the blade in its most "effective" manner. Another great option is the Strider SMF... Drop point if you will, because then you gain the ability to slash which is alot easier to do (and connect) then try to directly stab that person... + when you stab somebody.. there will be suction which makes it alot harder to pull the blade out (really hard).. try stabbing a pig for instance, and try to pull that blade out easily.. Anyway you avoid this problem by slashing.. But hey, every1 has their own opinions... This just happens to be a proven point.. There isn't much i have left to say, exept to list a bunch of great folding knives.. for combat..
Benchmade 710
Strider Rw-1
Strider SMF
Spyderco Civy
Emerson cqc-15
Emerson cqc-7
Emerson cqc-8
Emerson Super-commander
*LOL.. alot of emerson models as that is what they are intended for =p*
You get the point by this point of the msg.. ill leave it with that.. but remember you'll be acting ALOT different in a fight then you would be while reading this msg..
But i do understand what you mean, and well.. for instance if your going to iraq or afghanistan (or just wanted a "tactical" folder on your person) well.. there are several things you want to look for in that knife..
To Start, you want to make sure the blade is at least 3" or more.. any less and it makes it harder for you, because you'll need to get in closer to him as opposed to being able to keep a good distance...
Another thing you'll want to look for is the blade shape... Everyone will rush into "OH GET A TANTO"... thats BS... sure a tanto is GREAT for piercing ... but beyond that... nothing really so essentially a tanto is most effective as a stabbing weapon, and most tanto blades do not have belly to them, so you cant "slash" as good...
I'd say a knife such as the Strider RW-1.. (which is a tanto) Is a great choice.. but again you need to be comfortable and know how you will deploy the blade in its most "effective" manner. Another great option is the Strider SMF... Drop point if you will, because then you gain the ability to slash which is alot easier to do (and connect) then try to directly stab that person... + when you stab somebody.. there will be suction which makes it alot harder to pull the blade out (really hard).. try stabbing a pig for instance, and try to pull that blade out easily.. Anyway you avoid this problem by slashing.. But hey, every1 has their own opinions... This just happens to be a proven point.. There isn't much i have left to say, exept to list a bunch of great folding knives.. for combat..
Benchmade 710
Strider Rw-1
Strider SMF
Spyderco Civy
Emerson cqc-15
Emerson cqc-7
Emerson cqc-8
Emerson Super-commander
*LOL.. alot of emerson models as that is what they are intended for =p*
You get the point by this point of the msg.. ill leave it with that.. but remember you'll be acting ALOT different in a fight then you would be while reading this msg..
Intent of use. This past winter a fella at the UofR defended his life affirmatively using a 3" blade, which I think was a CS folder but am not positive. That is what the pics reminded me of. So intent of use makes a fighting knife/folder etc.etc. keepem sharp
In all my years of knife use(and abuse) I still don't see how it helps- I've never had a hand slide somewhere it shouldn't(or where I don't want it)... Maybe I just have better control than most people...
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Smart @ss awnsere: Blood on it.
Really though if its pointy and you can get it out when you need it, then it can be a fighting knife.
Really though if its pointy and you can get it out when you need it, then it can be a fighting knife.
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fighter & tactical bs aside... I dont know how you can say that? how could it not help?
example:
How is the Jimping inside the choil on these knives not an advantage????
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I agree with other responses that there are blades that are better suited for self defense/ fighting / "whatever term you want to use" but IMO it ultimately depends on the user's training and ability. Some combat techniques are suited for certain types of blades (daggers for stabbing, big bellies for slashing, karambits for hooking, etc).
Rather than trying to find a knife that is perfect for self-defense try the opposite. Assume a knife is a good self-defense knife and try to find reasons why it would not be. For example, I was initially excited about the Benchmade Triage 915. However, once I saw it closer I realized that the sheepsfoot blade was not pointed like the blade on the griptilian but it was rounded off (makes sense for a rescue knife). This will not allow for effective thrusting, hence the knife would not be a good "fighting" knife.
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The Civilian was "supposedly" built for officers who knew nothing about knife fighting - just make contact and OUCH - the nasty blade takes over.
Dedicated folders seem to be these as well:
The Strider MARSOC SMF is a framelock folding knife that was specifically developed for Detachment 1, the first SOCOM unit of the United States Marine Corps. The Strider SMF was the first knife issued to an individual Marine Corps unit in over 60 years and the first tactical folder issued within the USMC
And:
Gerber 05780 Applegate-Fairbairn Combat Folding Knife (a whole lot cheaper than the SMF, which I'd prefer to carry in dangerous places)
Dedicated folders seem to be these as well:
The Strider MARSOC SMF is a framelock folding knife that was specifically developed for Detachment 1, the first SOCOM unit of the United States Marine Corps. The Strider SMF was the first knife issued to an individual Marine Corps unit in over 60 years and the first tactical folder issued within the USMC
And:
Gerber 05780 Applegate-Fairbairn Combat Folding Knife (a whole lot cheaper than the SMF, which I'd prefer to carry in dangerous places)