What should the Knifemaker's Guild do?

If he is a current "Honorary Member", he won't be for long.

A.T. Barr (Proud Voting and Associate member of the Knifemakers' Guild)

Thanks for the nice words A.T.

However, I differ with you on the above remark. I feel The Guild should spend more time worrying about how to get more people into the Guild rather kicking people out.

The track record of the Guild's exclusion list did not work out well in the past.
The loss of Bob T, Ernest Emerson was near catastrophic at the time they were excluded.

Les may not have the best of what a doctor would be referred to as having a good bedside manner--but outside of the personality clashes--I think nearly everything he says about marketing, the service obligation of the elected boards, etc. is dead on correct.
 
Just for information sake.

I also quoted the numbers and a very reasonable quote it was....

I suggested that the Guild Board coordinate the flow of material (pictures an text) from
the members and that I shall do the rest.

I have a feeling that I may have been lucky not to have
begun with this adventure...

David Darom (ddd)

I did two of those directory books for the Guild. We sent questions to the makers, asked them to elaborate. Upon return we had answers to "Why did you start knifemaking" answered with "Five years."

By the time we were able to get enough information from the maker to produce the directory, and to get some form of response from the maker, we had roughly three years time involved in producing each book.

For the second book we had several makers we simply had to go back to the earlier book and pick up that information.

When it comes to publicity and promotion there are a number of knifemakers who are their own worst enemies.
 
1. Publish a richly detailed and photographed annual membership directory, 1 copy as part of the membership privelege to each Voting or Associate member, at a cost of roughly between $17.50 to $24.95 to all others. Send a copy gratis to recognized periodicals for review, including magazines outside the area like Men's Journal or the Robb Report. There may be too many shows(depends upon the show, doesn't it?) but there will never be too many books.

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Originally Posted by ddd
Just for information sake.

I also quoted the numbers and a very reasonable quote it was....

I suggested that the Guild Board coordinate the flow of material (pictures an text) from
the members and that I shall do the rest.

I have a feeling that I may have been lucky not to have
begun with this adventure...

David Darom (ddd)

I did two of those directory books for the Guild. We sent questions to the makers, asked them to elaborate. Upon return we had answers to "Why did you start knifemaking" answered with "Five years."

By the time we were able to get enough information from the maker to produce the directory, and to get some form of response from the maker, we had roughly three years time involved in producing each book.

For the second book we had several makers we simply had to go back to the earlier book and pick up that information.

When it comes to publicity and promotion there are a number of knifemakers who are their own worst enemies.

I really don't get it. If the Knifemakers Guilds of Germany and Italy can do it, why does the American Guild has so much trouble implementing a wonderful marketing tool.

These books (see crapy pics) are available at their respective shows and are updated at least once every two year. Especially the Italian Guild book has high quality photos by Pachi!!

Marcel Dierijck (my real name;))
 

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I did two of those directory books for the Guild. We sent questions to the makers, asked them to elaborate. Upon return we had answers to "Why did you start knifemaking" answered with "Five years."

By the time we were able to get enough information from the maker to produce the directory, and to get some form of response from the maker, we had roughly three years time involved in producing each book.

For the second book we had several makers we simply had to go back to the earlier book and pick up that information.

When it comes to publicity and promotion there are a number of knifemakers who are their own worst enemies.

I'm aware of that Bruce.

I was thinking with the advent of the internet, e-mail, and other electronic mediums, there would be a better turnout for future editions.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
If anyone is going to put together a directory, I think it should be in a magazine format that can be published annually. Everything changes so fast in this industry that by the time a "coffee table" type book could be published it would be far out of date.

The Knives Annuals are as close to this as we have now but the publisher seems to have given up on keeping the information current. And it probably isn't totally their fault. I know one famous knifemaker that had his phone area code change about 15 years ago. Knives 2010 still has the old area code. I asked the maker about it and was told he liked it that way because he didn't want people calling him up just to talk about knives. I don't feel any new directory publisher should put up with this attitude.
 
If anyone is going to put together a directory, I think it should be in a magazine format that can be published annually. Everything changes so fast in this industry that by the time a "coffee table" type book could be published it would be far out of date.

I agree with this for the most part.

At no point was I thinking hardbound coffee table book. Softbound, good pictures, maker writeup....annual, maybe with a spine, not unlike the Annuals.

Done consistently, with good participation...would be excellent all the way around. Those that do not participate be damned...simple as that.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
To: The members of the Blade Forums
From: The Directors of the Knifemakers’ Guild

After a search of our records it has come to light that Mr. Robertson is not now and has not been a Member of the Knifemakers’ Guild in any capacity for quite some time, not as an Associate or an Honorary Member.

Post #98 Les Robertson
Since Gil is the President of the Guild, yes it is his duty and his obligation to be accountable to the membership. As an Honorary Member....I am part of that membership. As such I asked him to respond to this thread.....as well as the other Board members. I demanded nothing.....I asked.


Nevertheless, we would like to take this opportunity to respond to the members of this Forum with regard to the many questions and good suggestions that have been offered here.

As in any form of representative governance an organization finds itself having to live with the successes and failures of its past while trying to move forward in serving its members and customers. The Knifemakers’ Guild is no different than any organization that has evolved over time under a diverse and voluntary leadership. The fact that we have survived and often thrived into our 40th year is a testament to the vision of our founding members and the dedication of our membership and leadership that has sustained us over those many years. Currently the Guild, like everyone else, is striving to adapt to the ever-changing marketplace and secure our place within it. One of the biggest challenges of leadership is to find a balance between honoring tradition while embracing new innovations in technology, communications and the delivery of services. The present membership and leadership of the Guild are working hard to do these things. Sometimes because the possibilities are so vast, fresh eyes can see opportunities that may not be readily apparent from within and it is in that regard that this forum has been very enlightening.

We would like to thank the members of the forum for your concern and interest in the Knifemakers’ Guild. We’d also like to thank Mike Carter, Harry Mathews, A.T. Barr and the other Guild members for participation in the discussion and for clearing up a number of issues and misconceptions about the Guild.

We also thank the Forum for many good ideas on how we might be able to improve our services to our members and customers, like taking advantage of new technologies to provide greater visibility for the Guild while offering better and cheaper communications and advertising possibilities. Suggestions have been made on how we might better serve our members with beneficial educational instruction on business management specifically geared to knife making. You’ve been very helpful in pointing out aspects of other shows around the country that you have found to be beneficial and that might add value or excitement to ours. You’ve offered ideas on how to improve our website and make it easier for our members to aid us in promoting our organization and our show. You’ve offered ideas about educational opportunities that we can provide to our customers to make them better more knowledgeable consumers, which is a benefit to us all. Some of the ideas that have come forth have been discussed internally before and were already being implemented. We’ll be working on how best to incorporate some of these other ideas into our organization. Some of them can be done easily and quickly like starting a Guild presence on Face Book - which we’ve already started. Others will take some time or can be implemented as funding becomes available and others may not work for us at all. Thanks for all your input.

Although the Knifemakers’ Guild is interested in growth and 300 to 400 table shows may again be in our future, for next year we will be increasing our show size to 150 tables and we expect to grow at a manageable pace. The Guild’s new home is the Seelbach Hilton Hotel in Louisville, KY and the hotel has been beautifully and totally restored to the grandeur of its storied past. The management and staff have been wonderful, responsive and warmly welcoming to us and our customers and we have negotiated very favorable rates that are guaranteed for the next four years. The necessities for long term contracts have been discussed somewhat in this forum as well. The Guild’s move to this new location was designed to take advantage of a more favorable geographical proximity to the country’s major population centers. The response to the move has been very positive and the demand for table space has been stronger than we had immediately expected and speaks well for our prospects for future growth. No organization can just snap their fingers or wish itself into a 300 or 400 table show and make it work instantly, so if we build in that direction it may take time and that’s fine with us for now. The Guild has many “Top Makers” among our ranks and we’re working together through the cooperation of our members and the sharing of experience and knowledge to nurture our members who will be the “Top Makers” of the future.

It has been suggested that the Knifemakers’ Guild join forces with the ABS to put on a joint show and how great (but unlikely) it would be to happen or even be discussed. The Presidents of both the Knifemakers’ Guild and the ABS did discus the possibilities of holding a joint show three years ago, with favorable feelings being expressed by both presidents. At the time the Guild was still contractually obligated in Orlando and was not free yet to make a move and the ABS was pursuing options for their own show and the timing just didn’t work out. There was no animosity or rancor involved and perhaps it may work out someday.

For those of you that may have had a less than positive experience in dealing with the Guild sometime in the past, we apologize and would ask you to give us another try if you are still interested in membership.

Once again the Board of Directors of the Knifemakers’ Guild would like to thank all of you for your concern and suggestions. If in the future you have questions about the Knifemakers’ Guild or you would like to offer other helpful ideas you can contact us directly through our website and our forums or personally via our contact information available on the Guild website at www.knifemakersguild.com.

Best regards from The Board of Directors of the Knifemakers’ Guild

www.knifemakersguild.com
 
I would like to thank the Knifemaker's Guild for responding, and considering our suggestions.

Good luck to you all.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
To the Knifemakers Guild:

After a search of our records it has come to light that Mr. Robertson is not now and has not been a Member of the Knifemakers’ Guild in any capacity for quite some time, not as an Associate or an Honorary Member.

I was an associate member twice.

I became an honorary member in 1987. Was there some kind of annual renewal I was unaware of with this free membership?
 
As it was explained to me by Beverly Imel (at one time was the secretary of the Guild for years.)

Once you become an Associate Member...you lose your Honorary membership?

This of course made no sense.

The last show I attended I brought this up again and said I should have my Honorary membership reinstated. I was told that would be taken care of and did I want to spend the $12 to get a badge. I declined.

I had no idea there was now a membership fee for Honorary Membership.

So the Guild is partially correct. I was an Honorary member. It was the Guild who took that away when I became an associate member. I then asked for the Honorary membership to be reinstated...apparently it was not.

With the inception of the $25 fee. I am no longer an Honorary Member.

I am pretty sure I have the original card granting me that Honorary Membership. As time permits I will look for it. When I find it I will post it here.
 
In March 2007 I decided to become an Associate Member as a photographer to support the Knifemaker's Guild. I thought/think it a good organization worthy of my support. Still do.

11 months later, in Feb 2008, when I filled in the 2008 membership form, I saw I was late. After mailing in my $75 membership, I was written a personal note by the treasurer to pay an additional $50 late fee for not signing up by Jan 1st, 2008.

I am still peeved that I was charged a fee for SUPPORTING the Guild, but was late.

(On Dec 30, 2008 I paid via PayPal my 2009 Associate membership. On time.)

This is one of those bureauocratic things that should be rethunk. Guild Board pay attention.

Coop
 
Steven,

What I respect about your post is that you are actually giving ideas of what could actually help the Guild, or ABS for the matter, in the future. Seems that some here want to tell everyone how great they WERE or what didn't work in the past. Focusing on the future seems more productive.

Steven posts like yours that offer solutions and realistic ideas for the future reflects positively on the knife community and places like Blade Forums.

I think the guild is to be commended for coming out and answering some of their critiques. It makes it appear that someone is listening and that is positive.
 
Steven,

What I respect about your post is that you are actually giving ideas of what could actually help the Guild, or ABS for the matter, in the future. Seems that some here want to tell everyone how great they WERE or what didn't work in the past. Focusing on the future seems more productive..

Focusing on the "right now" and the future is productive in my mind, but the input of A.G., Bruce and Les must be viewed as cautionary re: missteps and lost momentum....again, if we don't look at the past, we are doomed to repeat it.

I thank everyone who had something to say, and think this thread represents well that the community can be divided, crusty and impatient, but also contributory, and that many individuals are willing to roll up their sleeves and help the rest of the community.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
As for technical assistance, does the Guild sponsor/hold grind-ins? Engraving seminars? Hammer-ins? I don't mean one craftsman making an announcement to the Guild listserv along the lines of "Hey, guys, I'm going to put together a seminar, are you in?" I mean frequent, officially Guild-sponsored and -organized educational opportunities designed to advance the craft and elevate the skills of the membership and/or probationary members. Perhaps especially probationary members.

Re: ethics/good conduct, does the Guild maintain a BBB-style list of "members in good standing"? Or, conversely, do they keep an actively updated list of knifemakers who have proven to be untrustworthy? Is this list published or in some way available to the knife-collecting public?

Forgive me if this is all going on and I somehow missed it. I just don't see a lot of "press" (online, in print, or otherwise) about the Guild.

Can anyone answer my questions? I'm genuinely curious.
 
By the Guild answering back on a Public Forum shows great intent .

There are alot of fantastic people in the custom knife world. It is easy to snap a single arrow in half but a brace of them becomes strong. There is strength in #. The fighting only divides and weakens. I for one look forward to seeing all knife orgs either the Guild or the ABS moving into the future successfully and as long as they are willing to accept new ideas and work to get new blood which they seem they are it looks bright

But like I said earlier drop the Probationary Member term there are alot better things to call them:D
 
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As for technical assistance, does the Guild sponsor/hold grind-ins? Engraving seminars? Hammer-ins? I don't mean one craftsman making an announcement to the Guild listserv along the lines of "Hey, guys, I'm going to put together a seminar, are you in?" I mean frequent, officially Guild-sponsored and -organized educational opportunities designed to advance the craft and elevate the skills of the membership and/or probationary members. Perhaps especially probationary members.

Re: ethics/good conduct, does the Guild maintain a BBB-style list of "members in good standing"? Or, conversely, do they keep an actively updated list of knifemakers who have proven to be untrustworthy? Is this list published or in some way available to the knife-collecting public?

Forgive me if this is all going on and I somehow missed it. I just don't see a lot of "press" (online, in print, or otherwise) about the Guild.

Can anyone answer my questions? I'm genuinely curious.
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Call me "Aaron", not "BJ".


Aaron,
the Guild doesn't do "grind-ins". or some announcement sponsored program.
I must share with you that the greatist learning experience I recieved was a one-on-one day plus alot of e-mail and forum posting and phone calls with a fine maker-guild member.....

As to the BBB like list, the leadership of the KMG is well aware of the concerns and the needs of makers and collectors in specific situations.....to provide that information generally would be a dis-service to both the makers and the collectors, IMHO.

Virtually all the members of the KMG ought to be willing to share knowledge with a current/potential member of the Guild. We had a forum on our website that is addressed regarding "state leaders and mentors" forum.
The state leader should be every Guild member in any state. The mentors is/are/ ought to be, any maker in the Guild who is asked to help any serious potential maker. I speak my opinion.
 
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