What size folder for Cougar?

I am seeing a red X, but I have seen the pic before, knew it wasn't shot here but glad you posted that about it shot in Washington, Codger, didn't know that.
 
I think my SAK could have taken that little kitty...


I gotta stop drinking in the mornings...
 
Man O man! That's one big kitty! My old Chihuahua could take that that cat!:p She was mean little B!@#% when she got older.

Seriously. I don't think any dog would stand a chance beside maybe a pack of timber wolves. That and a 12 gauge with 00 buck up close or a huge caliber handgun.
 
Wow. What a big kitty. I have misgivings about that evil hunter, though.

That kitty may have been just trying to make friends with the cattle. He looks friendly enough. ;)
 
led4them said:
I am seeing a red X, but I have seen the pic before, knew it wasn't shot here but glad you posted that about it shot in Washington, Codger, didn't know that.
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I still haven't found the first hand account of the circumstances in which the cougar was taken. I received this in an email from a friend who received.... and I took the time to do a bit of googleing before posting it. Otherwise this Missouri cougar was stalking a deer hunter in his stand. :rolleyes:

But in that search, I did run across a lot of info on cougars that actually were in Missouri, albeit smaller than this one, including photographs and road kills. So they are there. And IMHO are making a comeback in many states where they were formerly extrapated. Also IMHO, while large predators are interesting and I would in no way want to see them extinct, increased populations due to the increase in prey animals (mostly due to conservation/reintroduction programs) tends to put them more and more in close proximity to man and increase the liklihood of conflict. With increased restrictions on predator hunting (outright bans in places), these large predators lose their fear of man and man reverts to a prey species. I don't like that. My ancestors worked long and hard to get to the top of the food chain. I personally don't care to go back to being kitty kibbles.

Codger
 
I wouldn't want to have to fend off a mountain lion with anything! We have lots of sightings in my area, and they are getting less afraid of people. They know we usually have food.
 
Mountain lion threats may be way overrated. I've hunted the west for many years but have seen the rear ends of only two as they fled. I felt fortunate to see them, two of the last vestiges of true wilderness. I mention hunting only because one is more likely to see a cougar while out early and late, being quiet, and searching with binoculars.

Occasionaly, one will not have the characteristic fear of humans and not be as nocturnal as most so some people see them as a threat. About three years ago, there was one near Tucson that didn't flee at the sight of several people so there was a demand that something be done. I talked to the G&F officer who shot it. He just eased up and did it with a 12 ga. Too bad, he said, that hikers didn't just enjoy the encounter- the cat showed no aggression. I know there have been attacks, but there are many more dangerous factors in hiking than cats.

I once heard one in heat during the evening that sounded like an axe murder happening up on the mountain side, one of the most chilling sounds (desparate screaming that went on for nearly five minutes) of the wild I've ever heard. Yes, they need to be hunted or they become devastating to prey herds so the populations swing wildly. It happened in the Kiabab (north side of the Grand Canyon) more than once when lions there were overly protected. A mature lion will take a deer averaging about once a week. Like everything else, all or nothing in controlling populations is not the best answer.

A lion "encounter", for me, is an event to be enjoyed rather than feared unless one has shown aggression toward people- more rare than any other threat I can think of while hunting or hiking.:) Regards, ss.
 
12 Gauge knife would do fine, just fine.

Someone needs to put a pic up of that retardedly huge mastiff that everyone said could a lion a few months ago.
 
It was a 190 pound lion shot with 30-06 one time with 165 grain bullet.
It was taken by Roy Hisler of Duval, Washington near Bellevue, Washington at least according to Snopes.


Snopes article

KR
 
A buddy of mine killed one that went 185 outside of Craig Colorado. I think hew used a .44, but he might have went with his .454. It was a revolver in any case.

One thing about dogs and mountain lions- if the dog is facing the cougar, they will nearly always run the cat off. If the dog doesnt see the cat, it will be the lion's call whether the dog lives or dies. BUT- they will run from a beagle. Cougars are not are not fighters, but killers. Really, the cougar to worry about is NOT the one you see, but the one you don't...

As a threat, they are statisticly insignificant. That doesn't mean I don't take precautions in their country though!
 
Year U.S.A. and Canada ............California
# of Attacks # of Deaths # of Attacks # of Deaths
1991 4............ 2................ 0.................. 0
1992 4............ 1................ 1.................. 0
1993 3............ 0................ 2.................. 0
1994 9............ 2................ 3.................. 2
1995 3............ 0................ 1.................. 0
1996 6............ 1................ 0.................. 0
1997 7............ 1................ 0.................. 0
1998 9............ 0................ 0.................. 0
1999 6............ 1................ 0.................. 0
2000 8............ 0................ 0.................. 0
2001 7............ 1................ 0.................. 0
2002 5............ 0................ 0.................. 0
2003 2............ 1................ 0.................. 0

total 73.......... 10................ 7................. 2
Average per year
.......5.6......... 0.8.............. 0.5............... 0.2

http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attacks.html

California 2004: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-01-09-mountain-lion_x.htm

Judging from these figures, you are correct. I'd still hate for my grandchild to become a statistic though.

Codger
 
I think that having a dog during a cat attack is kind of like bringing a woman on a pirate ship. Bad luck to bring one, but far worse luck not to have one.

I am not a pirate, nor do I even know if this saying is true. I just like watching Disney movies about pirates.

This thread probably could have went without this post...haha. But its what came to mind when reading Skam's vs Stage's posts.
 
I love all of the hypothetical rhetoric about statistical insignificance. Here is what is not factored into your or anyone else's paradigm of statistical relevance in regard to animal attack.

Where you are located relevant to how much time is spent within a predators range (habitat) also factor in time of year, precip to date, if there has been a fire or other event that takes away said range, encroachment of civilization and natural prey counts over the course of a duration.

Where I live I have seen a cat in my yard, last year at 430am it was big and within 20 yards of the backdoor. Who hasn't seen a killsite that spends a fair amount of time in the wilds of either a bear, coyotes or mountain lion. They are there and as a tender pink skin bags of 150-250lbs of pork like goodness without weapons, we are prey.
 
URBAN LEGEND!! At least partially, regarding that mountain lion being shot in Missouri. Bull- oney! That picture has been circulating for three or four years on the Internet.

I've seen various stories of it being shot in about 15 differrent States, including New York!

It is an actual photo, not photoshoped, BUT, the man holding the mountain lion is a professional hunting guide. His name is J.J. Hack, he lives in Washington (when he's not guiding hunters in Africa), and that mountain lion was killed by one of his clients.... IN WASHINGTON!!

Hack is over six feet tall, for you guys who think he's "bending back" to make the lion look larger. That lion came very close to 200 pounds. How many of you can lift a dead weight like that without bending back a bit??

You guys who brag that your big pooch would really handle a large mountain lion, don't know anything about mountian lions! I've been up close and personal with three of those big boys (not as large as the lion in the photo), and those mountain lions would kill your single dog in a New York minute!

Talk to a professional mountain lion guide and ask him about it. You'll be enlightened.

As for carrying a "folder" to fight a mountain lion, if you were attacked -- which is highly improbable, but possible -- you'd probably be dead from a vicious, powerful bite to the back of the neck. But, if you survived that, you'd be better off with a good revolver than a freakin' folding knife.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

L.W.
 
The Chef said:
I love all of the hypothetical rhetoric about statistical insignificance. Here is what is not factored into your or anyone else's paradigm of statistical relevance in regard to animal attack.
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IMHO a sentence like that screams "I'm trying to be intelligent." Is all that really necessary? Give me a break.:rolleyes: My $.02
 
Only possible good thing about the CA lion attacks is that hopefully those who are attacked are members of the anti-gun/anti-hunting lunatics who are responsible for the apparent increase in the lion population....No offense meant to "normal" left coasters (assuming that there are some left)
 
Leanwolf said:
You guys who brag that your big pooch would really handle a large mountain lion, don't know anything about mountian lions! I've been up close and personal with three of those big boys (not as large as the lion in the photo), and those mountain lions would kill your single dog in a New York minute!
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Thats funny, cause in the last 10 years here in so cal, there have been at least 2 cases of attacks where both the dog and owner survived, and the owner attributed their survival to the dog.

So much for a new york minute.
 
STAGE 2 said:
Thats funny, cause in the last 10 years here in so cal, there have been at least 2 cases of attacks where both the dog and owner survived, and the owner attributed their survival to the dog.

So much for a new york minute.
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I think the point here is that dog vs cat the dog looses. Not talking about distracting but in a true scrap.

Skam
 
Stage 2, you go right on believing what you want. I know about those two attacks, and the mountain lions involved were nowhere near the size of that mountian lion in the picture.

Ask a professional mountain lion guide what he thinks a single dog can do against a mature, 150/175 pound mountain lion.

L.W.
 
Wow! What a big, beautiful cat.

I have to say that when I clicked on the thread I was just a little bit worried that it might be about some of you younger guys fighting off the older ladies. In that case, I probably wouldn't fight too hard, but if it got ugly then playing dead would be your best defense. The big cats . . . . . . I don't really know about.
 
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