What the heck? Does Cold Steel not own a ruler?

Wow...just.....wow. Speechless.

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If you're not free to bear arms, you are not free. You're free to wear horse blinders if you like, believe 2+2=5, eat your Soylent Green, and go on believing the lie. No bother to me.


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That story is odd. Could you please post the link? Because the actual Texas Penal Code (Ch. 46, section 1, subsection 6) states that it is illegal only if the BLADE is over 5.5 inches. It's probably a misprint with the news site, but interesting nonetheless.

If it is true that there are people out there who interpret the 5.5" blade as 5.5" over all, that could be an issue.

I actually noticed that exact story when the previous poster mentioned that there were no cases in which incremental differences in blade length were responsible for prosecution. I disregarded it because, let's be frank, if your state doesn't allow a 5.5" knife and you're carrying a 10" knife you're pretty much telling the law to go take a flying leap. No imprecise Cold Steel measurements can make that happen.

However, I am sure there are plenty of fringe cases in this country where overeager LEOs and prosecutors ruined someone's life because of a fraction of an inch "violation" of a statute.
 
.....sorry for the little off topic but can you clarify my lack of freedom for me here please ?

Not free to bear arms, not free. It is the ultimate God given freedom. The people having the weapons in their possession to swiftly overthrow a government should it become tyrannical.

If a certain class or designation of people in a populace, can own arms, but the rest can't, then the rest are second class citizens, who ultimately live at the mercy of the armed. That is absolute truth, and has been witnessed throughout history, and will continue to, because human nature is human nature.

It is always a matter of if-not when a tyrannical government will grind it's unarmed citizens under their heels. It's even happened in Austrailia mate! To the aborigines, they were disarmed, then their children were stolen by "Police Power" aka, the Governments storm troopers, after everything else was taken.

No nation has a magical pixie dust, kumbaya immunity from tyrannical government (the natural enemy of ever living human on earth). The closest thing we have here in the US, is the second amendment.

Yes some form of Government of and by the people is needed...But Norquist had it right when Government should be so small, that it can be easily drowned in a bathtub.




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That story is odd. Could you please post the link? Because the actual Texas Penal Code (Ch. 46, section 1, subsection 6) states that it is illegal only if the BLADE is over 5.5 inches. It's probably a misprint with the news site, but interesting nonetheless.

If it is true that there are people out there who interpret the 5.5" blade as 5.5" over all, that could be an issue.

No access to Google? OK.

http://kxan.com/2015/05/04/man-carrying-knife-at-7-eleven-slapped-with-felony/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m9uMZTp2-k

http://www.ooyuz.com/geturl?aid=5998927

http://www.democraticunderground.com/107825214

http://ubertopic.com/man-carrying-knife-at-7-eleven-slapped-with-felony/30368/
 
I still would like to see a specific case where someone in the US was in trouble for just a knife, or over a few measured mms.

Gaston

You should do your own legwork,and this should be in knife laws, but I'll help you out.

Google State of Connecticut vs Jason Deciccio. My home state btw.

A simple traffic accident led to Deciccio serving 3 years before the State Supreme court overturned his conviction.
 
Not free to bear arms, not free. It is the ultimate God given freedom. The people having the weapons in their possession to swiftly overthrow a government should it become tyrannical.

If a certain class or designation of people in a populace, can own arms, but the rest can't, then the rest are second class citizens, who ultimately live at the mercy of the armed. That is absolute truth, and has been witnessed throughout history, and will continue to, because human nature is human nature.

It is always a matter of if-not when a tyrannical government will grind it's unarmed citizens under their heels. It's even happened in Austrailia mate! To the aborigines, they were disarmed, then their children were stolen by "Police Power" aka, the Governments storm troopers, after everything else was taken.

No nation has a magical pixie dust, kumbaya immunity from tyrannical government (the natural enemy of ever living human on earth). The closest thing we have here in the US, is the second amendment.

Yes some form of Government of and by the people is needed...But Norquist had it right when Government should be so small, that it can be easily drowned in a bathtub.
....... certainly most do not think that this is the only gauge of a free society but you are welcome to your opinion, I also think "The Stolen Generation" was bad business (in part, in others it was much better those kids were relocated and even today there are kids being raised in camps (Indigenous camps - not Govt BTW) that should not be with what passes as their parents), that is another argument but at what point were the Aborigines disarmed first ? I guess me and all my firearm owning mates with have go contemplate this a little more.... just bought a new Glock this week so that should occupy me....
 
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That story is odd. Could you please post the link? Because the actual Texas Penal Code (Ch. 46, section 1, subsection 6) states that it is illegal only if the BLADE is over 5.5 inches. It's probably a misprint with the news site, but interesting nonetheless.

If it is true that there are people out there who interpret the 5.5" blade as 5.5" over all, that could be an issue.
In the case provided by Thomas Linton, I would interpret the part that says "10 inches from tip to hilt" to mean the measurement was made from the tip of the blade to the guard (guard and hilt being virtually the same thing). So the actual blade was ten inches. Now if it had said "10 inches from the tip to the pommel", or used the word "butt cap" instead of pommel, then that would refer to the length of the entire knife.
 
If you're not free to bear arms, you are not free. You're free to wear horse blinders if you like, believe 2+2=5, eat your Soylent Green, and go on believing the lie. No bother to me.


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there's no response to this. And not because it is such a clever and well made argument.
 
I'm not a lawyer, but this doesn't sound right. Don't cops pull people over all the time? I see them on the shoulder of the road. Perhaps the cops have to show a reason for a search, but I've never heard it can only be in relation to a "pre-existing crime under investigation"


I meant body searches. "Pulled over" was a metaphor... I don't know what the rules are for car searches, but for actual body searches that is the way it is in Canada.

As for one of the examples provided, the knife was carried openly, and so finding it did not require a search...

Which is exactly why carrying a knife openly is a bad idea...

In the Deciccio case, he was at fault for causing an accident, he would then not give his name to Police, and was on top of that "disoriented and combative". He was also being treated for PTSD, so was basically being treated for mental illness... I can understand why finding a trunk full of knives/machetes would be a cause for concern...

Not to excuse the Police, but what I meant by being in trouble over a few mms was: Somebody acting normally, nowhere near any crime, being bodily searched for no reason under US law (not possible in Canada), having the discovered folder being measured, and then getting into trouble over less than an inch...

Gaston
 
That story is odd. Could you please post the link? Because the actual Texas Penal Code (Ch. 46, section 1, subsection 6) states that it is illegal only if the BLADE is over 5.5 inches. It's probably a misprint with the news site, but interesting nonetheless.

If it is true that there are people out there who interpret the 5.5" blade as 5.5" over all, that could be an issue.

The article is wrong...it's an 5.5 blade in Texas and the legislature recently passed an amendment that supersedes all the local knife laws bringing the whole state into compliance......if the guy's 10" knife had a 4" handle and a 6" blade, he's in trouble.
 
"When can the police search me?

In most cases, the police can only search you only if you have been placed under arrest or if you have consented to the search. However, there are exceptions. These include:
•If the police find you in a place where they are searching for drugs, and they have reason to believe that you have drugs.
•The police find you in a vehicle where people are transporting or drinking alcohol illegally, and they believe that you have alcohol.
•The police believe that you have an illegal weapon or one that was used to commit a crime, and suspect that it might be removed or destroyed in the time it would take to get a search warrant.

If the police search you for any of these reasons, you must allow the search. If you believe that you have been wrongly searched, tell the police that you object to the search, and speak to a lawyer afterwards about your concerns.

If the police search you in relation to one offence, and find evidence that you may have committed another offence, you can be charged in relation to the second offence.
For example, if they search you on suspicion of having drugs, but find an illegal weapon, you can be charged with possession of the illegal weapon."

http://svan.ca/police-rights/

Basically, if the cops really want to search you, they can.
 
Just measured my Vaquero XL. Was advertised at 5 1/2", came in at about 5 3/16" which is fine. It's well under the limit in Texas. :thumbup:
 
Just measured my Vaquero XL. Was advertised at 5 1/2", came in at about 5 3/16" which is fine. It's well under the limit in Texas. :thumbup:

Yes, I like the fact that the blade is a little short for this very reason.
 
Basically, if the cops really want to search you, they can.

Reminds me there was a case here recently where a police officer arrested a person just so he could conveniently search him and comply with the Charter, but then released him on the spot without any charges. Eek.
 
"When can the police search me?


•The police believe that you have an illegal weapon


This is what welsh, who is a lawyer, had to say about it:


In order to search your person an officer has to either arrest you, or detain you for investigation.

Arresting you requires "reasonable and probable grounds" -- specific evidence -- to believe that you've committed a particular offence. On arrest the police can search you for evidence related to that offence.

Detaining you for investigation requires "articulable grounds" to believe you've been involved in a particular offence. On detaining you, police can search you if there is reasonable grounds to believe the search is necessary to protect officer safety, and only to the extent that search is necessary.

I realize this sounds a lot like "probable cause" but in fact the threshold for the police to search you is fairly high. In both cases they need to be investigating an actual offence. ******It can't be the suspicion of an offence.******

"If he's got a knife in his pocket, that's an offence" doesn't cut it. The offence has to exist before the search. Also, even the lower standard of "articulable grounds" requires more than mere suspicion: the police need actual evidence to connect you to an offence before they can detain you.

Here's a real world example: police get a report of kids waving a machete around in a park. Two officers attend the scene and observe, from a distance, a group of kids. One of the kids is cutting long grass with a machete. The cops drive around to the other side of the park and find a couple of the kids leaving. They stop them, question them, and take their backpack. They search the backpack as part of their investigative detention, for officer safety, and find a machete, as well as a number of other weapons including prohibited weapons.

In this case, charges were dismissed on several grounds. First, the search was held to be unnecessary to officer safety, as the kids could be separated from the backpack without searching it. Secondly (and more importantly), the court found that police were not investigating any particular offence. Possessing a machete in a park is not a crime, cutting grass with a machete is not a crime, and there was nothing to suggest the kids had any criminal purpose. There was no justification for an investigative detention, and no justification for the search, so the charges were thrown out.

Another real-world example: police are called to investigate a break-in. An officer stops a car near the scene. He notes a black duffel bag in the back seat and forms the suspicion that it contains burglary tools and stolen items. He asks the driver if he can look in the bag; the driver refuses to allow a search. The driver is not the owner of the car and is only able to give the owner's first name. The officer forms the suspicion the car is stolen. He orders the driver to get out of the car, and at that time sees that the driver has a knife in his pocket. He searches the driver and finds said knife, and also a Gerber multitool. He arrests the driver for carrying a concealed weapon, and then searches the black duffel bag and finds a quantity of drugs.

All charges against the driver were dismissed. The knives were held to be (a) not weapons and (b) not concealed; the search of the bag was thrown out because the arrest was made without reasonable and probable grounds to believe the driver had committed the offence of carrying a concealed weapon. Also (importantly), the court noted that the officer had not confirmed that the reported burglary had actually occurred, and therefore had no grounds to believe the driver was in any way connected to any particular offence.

That should give an idea of what's required for the police to search your person in Canada. "Probable cause" makes the standard sound very low. In fact, they need real evidence that an offence has been committed and that you're connected to it. Anything less is a fishing trip.

No it isn't just "if they really want to search you"... They have to know a specific pre-existing crime was actually committed, and they have to have a real reason to think you are connected to that crime, not "hunches"...

Gaston
 
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This is what welsh, who is a lawyer, had to say about it:




No it isn't just "if they really want to search you"... They have to know a specific pre-existing crime was actually committed, and they have to have a real reason to think you are connected to that crime, not "hunches"...

Gaston

Maybe in Canada. Not so much in NYC.
 
No it isn't just "if they really want to search you"... They have to know a specific pre-existing crime was actually committed, and they have to have a real reason to think you are connected to that crime, not "hunches"...

Gaston

All they have to do is say "you fit the profile."

You aren't arrested, just being searched, so no false arrest issues either.

How it plays out in court is an entirely different thing, and that's where the lawyering comes into play.
 
What the Heck !
Cold Steel !
Why can't they measure their Shi. . .stuff !

My first frustrating encounter whit this phenomena was when I saw the spec for the Cold Steel Lucky . . . blade thickness 1.5mm.
CS you got my money . . . that's just what I want.
When I got it the blades were 2mm thick.
Ohhhhhh K . . . must have been a misprint.

Really . . . if a blade is a quarter inch longer or shorter I don't really care but the dif of a little tiny pocket knife blade at 2mm and 1.5 mm is enormous. Cut up a cracker box and tell me you didn't notice.

Next up :
Just today . . . I received my new Kitchen Classic knife . . . long story short I am going to use the handle material off it in one of my Franken knife mods. I needed the handle to be at least four inches. The spec on the knife seller's page said this Cold Steel knife had a handle of four inches. The Cold Steel dot com page list the handle length for this knife as four inches.

I got the knife.
The handle measures 3-3/4 inches. Too short for my project.
The smaller paring knife shown was too short so I ordered the next knife size up and got the same handle.
The next handle size seems to be 4-7/8 inch . . . hmmmm at this rate it will be 4-1/2 and I can shorten it to 4 inch so here goes nut'in.

They rounded up the 3-3/4 to 4 but they didn't round up the 4-7/8 to five. ? . . . ? . . .?
PS: the photo makes the handle on the longer blade look shorter than the short bladed knife but they are the same.
 
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When you're killing Water-Buffalo ..., what difference do a couple tiny marks on a ruler have to do with anything?
Every manufacturer has their priorities is an early lesson in tool shopping.
 
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