What the heck? Does Cold Steel not own a ruler?

DemkoKnives said:
Sorry guys, I must take the blame on this issue. Since i designed and prototyped all the tri ad models except one. While we do shoot for " worst case " measuring. Usually from concept to prototype to preproduction to production run changes are made sometimes. However the sizes listed should be considered nominal. (as with almost everything else in the world) Hope this helps.
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Pretty cool to hear from you Mr D!!
Now after beating up on that Extrema knife.....go get that alien head guy bro!!
😬😬
Joe
 
AlinCT said:
Here in CT, you can't carry a knife where the edged portion of the blade is 4 inches or more (unless you are actively hunting or fishing). It's a lot tougher to find what the edged length or knives are. Maybe knife length is like the speed limit- who gets pulled over for going just a few miles over? Until that time you do get pulled over. I like obeying the laws.

Looking at the OP's pic, it looks like the CS Recon one is a little under a 4" edge length- that's one that I liked, but was worried wouldn't be legal here. It would be nice if blade length didn't matter in this state, but it is what it is.
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What most knife owners don't get is that in many if not most places in North America, and certainly in Canada, you can't get pulled over... No searches unless a link to a pre-existing crime under investigation is established... That's the law too, and these days the cops abide by it...

Worrying about the consequences fraction of inches is mostly about feeling important. Even if the knife is under the legal length, if you have committed a crime it will still go down as a "weapon"...

Gaston
 
I personally have never even considered measuring a knife! Some of you have way too much time on your hands!


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hatchettjack said:
I personally have never even considered measuring a knife! Some of you have way too much time on your hands!


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When I buy a 4" blade I hold it next to a known 4" blade I own. If it seems short or long out comes the tape measure. I don't bother with the xls. I've noticed a lot of rounding with various brands but never enough to persuade me to make a thread about it.
 
hatchettjack said:
Some of you have way too much time on your hands!
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I imagine that could be said about anyone who has the time to post on a knife forum ;).

There are no blade length restrictions where I live (except on switchblades), but I have measured some of my blades out of curiosity. Let's see- pick up ruler, place ruler against blade, look at lines on ruler. It takes me less time to do that than it did for me to type this sentence. So it's not exactly consuming a big portion of my day.

As hard as it is to believe, I occasionally run across people who actually cannot read a ruler. The ability to measure is a knowledge they lack. So perhaps that explains why some people have such a negative attitude towards this thread (which they could have easily ignored). Maybe it's feelings of inadequacy :D.
 
ursamajor said:
You at least have a defense, if a company's print copy states that the blade is a specific length, even if the blade is more lengthy than advertised. But in parts of the world that only have the illusion of freedom, but people aren't actually free-like nearly all of Europe, and Australia. I can see the concern.


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Wow...just.....wow. Speechless.

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Gaston444 said:
What most knife owners don't get is that in many if not most places in North America, and certainly in Canada, you can't get pulled over... No searches unless a link to a pre-existing crime under investigation is established... That's the law too, and these days the cops abide by it...

Worrying about the consequences fraction of inches is mostly about feeling important. Even if the knife is under the legal length, if you have committed a crime it will still go down as a "weapon"...

Gaston
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I'm not a lawyer, but this doesn't sound right. Don't cops pull people over all the time? I see them on the shoulder of the road. Perhaps the cops have to show a reason for a search, but I've never heard it can only be in relation to a "pre-existing crime under investigation"
 
r8shell said:
I'm not a lawyer, but this doesn't sound right. Don't cops pull people over all the time? I see them on the shoulder of the road. Perhaps the cops have to show a reason for a search, but I've never heard it can only be in relation to a "pre-existing crime under investigation"
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Gaston is very knowledgeable and well-versed in many topics.
 
Todd21969 said:
Except for Terry vs Ohio [emoji6]
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I did not know about Terry vs Ohio, since I live in Canada all I knew was how it works in Canada, from a lawyer. I did assume wrongly that it was probably similar in most of North America... Now I know where US cops get their infamous attitude...

Am I glad I don't live where you live!

This is what a dissenting Supreme Court Justice had to say about it:

Justice Douglas strongly disagreed with permitting a stop and search absent probable cause:
"We hold today that the police have greater authority to make a 'seizure' and conduct a 'search' than a judge has to authorize such action. We have said precisely the opposite over and over again."[6]"To give the police greater power than a magistrate is to take a long step down the totalitarian path. Perhaps such a step is desirable to cope with modern forms of lawlessness. But if it is taken, it should be the deliberate choice of the people through a constitutional amendment."

No I know why no one here seems to know about "Probable Cause"... Land of the Free... Hmmm...

I still would like to see a specific case where someone in the US was in trouble for just a knife, or over a few measured mms.

Gaston
 
I'll speculate that Lynn T has never attained a 4" measurement in "other areas" so he chose to "overcompensate" with some of these blades...
 
Got this bad boy in the mail. First thing: I measured it. 4.1 inches.

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Shit, that 0.1 in. extra length will send me to jail.

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Or maybe I'm going there for patent infringement with that "opening assistant pocket catcher" mod I've put on it?
 
ursamajor said:
But in parts of the world that only have the illusion of freedom, but people aren't actually free-like nearly all of Europe, and Australia. I can see the concern.
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.....sorry for the little off topic but can you clarify my lack of freedom for me here please ?
 
I find many folders are greater than the advertised 3" blade length, which matters a great deal to me in my state. 3" is the legal maximum, measured in the AKTI fashion. I'd hate to have my hunting knife confiscated and get written up due to an extra 1/8" while hunting/hiking in the local management area.

For the knives I make, I typically measure to the nearest 0.05-0.1" depending on how precise I'm feeling, but always at least one digit to the right of the decimal. All my nominal 3" and 4" models are made ~0.05-0.1" shy of the whole inch to be indisputably legal in locales that restrict on the inch boundary. Of course there are sizes in between, but that's my practice. I'm up front about this, so there should be no surprise.

I find it frustrating to buy a folder online advertised as 3" only to receive a 3.125" blade that then needs to be shortened. I've done this to folders from Kershaw, Kabar, and CRKT for sure. On the other hand, my Benchmade mini-grip and Spyderco Native-5 met the spec out of the box (and I'd hope so for the extra expense). I don't consider a little extra blade length to be a bonus. If it's 3.25", please advertise it as such.
 
Gaston444 said:
I did not know about Terry vs Ohio, since I live in Canada all I knew was how it works in Canada, from a lawyer. I did assume wrongly that it was probably similar in most of North America... Now I know where US cops get their infamous attitude...

Am I glad I don't live where you live!

This is what a dissenting Supreme Court Justice had to say about it:

Justice Douglas strongly disagreed with permitting a stop and search absent probable cause:
"We hold today that the police have greater authority to make a 'seizure' and conduct a 'search' than a judge has to authorize such action. We have said precisely the opposite over and over again."[6]"To give the police greater power than a magistrate is to take a long step down the totalitarian path. Perhaps such a step is desirable to cope with modern forms of lawlessness. But if it is taken, it should be the deliberate choice of the people through a constitutional amendment."

No I know why no one here seems to know about "Probable Cause"... Land of the Free... Hmmm...

I still would like to see a specific case where someone in the US was in trouble for just a knife, or over a few measured mms.

Gaston
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Happy Canada Day from a former inhabitant of Stony Plain, Alberta (when it had one gas station).

Unfortunately, thousands of people in New York City have gotten in treble over a knife.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/so...-anyway-the-answer-might-surprise-you-6661270

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...handymen-for-years-for-carrying-pocketknives/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/31/opinion/new-yorks-outdated-knife-law.html?_r=0
 
Gaston444 said:
Has anyone ever been arrested, fined, or even had their knife confiscated solely on the basis of a blade being measured?

Until specific cases are pointed out, I think we are talking about riding on unicorns here...

Personally I am always happy if the blade is longer than advertised, and unhappy if it is shorter. A shorter blade means the worker missed his grind, then had to resort to a heavy re-grinding to sort things out, which means more likelihood that the edge temper will be all burned to hell...

Oh, and the One Piece range from Chris Reeve have all the bigger models advertised as 9", but they are all in fact 8.75". This is not an accident or a rarity, since the leather sheath is made to fit this precisely... It is consistently like that, and to me it feels quite rotten, as 1/4" is a lot, even on a big knife like my Jereboam Mk II.

Gaston
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Took fifteen seconds to find this"
AUSTIN (KXAN) — Police arrested a South Austin 7-Eleven patron with a knife holstered on his hip and charged him with a felony Saturday evening, according to an arrest affidavit.

The arrest appeared to occur by chance. A City of Sunset Valley police officer stopped at the convenience store at the intersection of William Cannon Drive and Brodie Lane at about 6:45 p.m., the same time William Thomas Churchill, 58, was at the store.

The officer noticed a “long black sheath on (Churchill’s) right hip” that appeared to contain a knife.

The officer confronted Churchill after he left the store, and asked him the length of the blade. Churchill allegedly didn’t know exactly how long the knife was, according to the affidavit.

The officer then measured the blade with a tape measure, found it to be 10 inches from tip to hilt and arrested Churchill for unlawful carrying weapons. The alleged crime was enhanced to a third-degree felony because the 7-Eleven has a license to sell alcohol, the affidavit states.

According to Texas law, an illegal knife is more than five and a half inches in length.

It is legal, according to Texas law, to own and have a wide variety of long knives. People are also allowed to have and carry knives on their own property and, in most cases, to their own vehicle and within a vehicle under their control.

It is illegal to carry certain knives and weapons onto prohibited places, such as schools, government offices, polling places and airport security areas, among other locations. You can find a listing of laws regarding knives and weapons here.
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Andy the Aussie said:
.....sorry for the little off topic but can you clarify my lack of freedom for me here please ?
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Andy, some of us regard it as an aspect of "freedom" to be free to possess a firearm, including a magazine-fed firearm. That was once an aspect of the freedom of a citizen of Oz. Once. Now you can only own a type of firearm that the state approves and only if the state gives you formal permission on a case-by-case basis.

Whether that matters to you is, of course, up to you, but it matters to us as most of us regard the right to possess weapons for preservation of life as a natural or God-given right for all mankind.

Of course, our nation was formed by citizens shooting at the agents of the state, killing a good many, until they left us alone. That results in a different attitude for many of us about the state having a monopoly of force.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Took fifteen seconds to find this"
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That story is odd. Could you please post the link? Because the actual Texas Penal Code (Ch. 46, section 1, subsection 6) states that it is illegal only if the BLADE is over 5.5 inches. It's probably a misprint with the news site, but interesting nonetheless.

If it is true that there are people out there who interpret the 5.5" blade as 5.5" over all, that could be an issue.
 
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