What's going on with Benchmade?

This is the problem:

Cougar Allen's comments are meant to inform (as a BF member) or to smooth the flow of the conversation (as a moderator), not to insult.

Take a deep breath, go outside and shrug it off, come back in and rejoin the conversation without the chip on your shoulder.
 
"You are very confused" does not inform or smooth. Couger is not perfect.

I am not upset and do not need to step outside. I do not have a chip on my shoulder.

Couger's comment was uneeded, and IMO, plain rude. His misunderstood, misread, and misquoted someone, and then proceeded to call them "confused". I was simply informing him he was wrong and smoothing the flow of the conversation.

If you did not know Couger better than you know me, or he was not in the position he is in, perhaps your opinion of the discussion would be different.

I do not have a chip on my shoulder because, unlike you, my replies would be the same no matter how said what I was replying to.
 
chip or not, this discussion is starting to derail the thread, so maybe you could just take it to email if you have to call out mods
 
I don't have anything more to say about than what I have already said, so I don't have to email Cougar.

I am not derailing the thread anymore than you and Esav are. and I am certainly not trying to derail the thread. What a silly suggestion. If you reply to me, do I not have the right to reply to you? Cougar has the right to reply to me, and I have the right to reply to him. My original reply to Cougar was very much on-topic. This is sort of what a discussion is about. We have not move from MAPs to a personal issue. We are very much talking about the topic at hand. It is youi and Esav that have moved the discussion to something more personal and off-topic.

This could very much be the last post on the topic... or you could reply and accuse me of derailing the thread again. Seems sort of silly, doesn't it?

I am not trying to call out a mod to defend the little guy. I don't care who Prince is, or Cougar is. If Cougar had said what Prince said and Prince made the reply that Cougar did my posts would be exactly the same. I do not respect someone more because they are a mod, or another person less because they are not one. I feel Cougar's comment was out of line and showed that he misunderstood Prince's post. Whether he is a mod or a newbie does not change that, nor change my reply. If the roles were reversed, would your posts be the same? Maybe you are just trying to defend the moderator?
 
donovan said:
Well, I guess that is my question. If BM gets their MSRP pricing do you like BM enough to pay $200 for a Mini-Skirmish vs. $115 for a Spyderco Manix? I'm just using those particular knives as examples, but I'm not willing to pay that sort of premium for comparable blades.

Jack
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Actually, those are very different knives. Same blade steel, sure, but the ti framelock vs the G10 handled lockback.

Compare apples to apples, how about the $200 Mini Skirmish vs the $300 Small Sebenza?
 
I guess the bottom line is that with the increasing cost of living (gas prices anyone?), people are just going to seek the lowest price at any cost to service. Damn shame too. I wish I could have visited Knife Outlet's store.

Oh well, I'm going to fight the trend to the bitter end, even if it is a hopeless battle.
 
Hair said:
WORDS WORDS AND MORE WORDS
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Hair, you’re amazing. How does someone write so many long-winded reply’s that are so completely devoid of any useful information or content? How do you do it?

Click here to add Hair to your Ignore List! :thumbup:

I buy most of my Surefire's on the secondary market because of their price-fixing policy. Good luck to Benchmade if they can stamp-out online retailer's that sell their knives at prices that Benchmade doesn’t agree with. Won't happen though, and in the process I think they're stepping on a lot of toes that were responsible for Benchmade's success in the first place...
 
I haven't been super happy with Benchmade this year, but I finally got to handle the 32 Morpho today and boy, Benchmade hit the ball out of the park on this one. It's a good day when innovation is combined with beauty and quality.
 
I'm always willing to learn, but last I looked "price fixing" refered to two or more persons conspiring to fix prices. A single corporation, being a single person, cannot conspire with itself. I am unaware of any federal law that makes it unlawful for a manufacturer to require that its products be sold at a given price.

There were state laws that required retailers to sell at fixed prices. (IIRC, they were often strangely called "Fair Trade" laws.) These went away, generally about the same period as "Blue Laws" that barred Sunday sales.

Again, always willing to learn.
 
The problem I had with Benchmade were from distribution issues. Not so much dealer issues. But as with many companies you have to make tough decisions about who you allow as dealers and Benchmade has to protect it's interests.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Business is business. The numbers vary but the elements leading to success or failure remain.
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My point exactly. After playing ball, Some people forget to leave their personel feelings on the field.
 
Hi there Mike!

Long time since I have seen you posting.

I hope this means you will be spending more time here.
 
Mike Turber said:
The problem I had with Benchmade were from distribution issues. Not so much dealer issues. But as with many companies you have to make tough decisions about who you allow as dealers and Benchmade has to protect it's interests.
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Hi Mike, let us know what it going on with you. On your point, since Benchmade continues to sell through distribution they aren't deciding who to "allow" as a dealer in every case. When they finally end selling through distribution then that will be the case.
 
I buy some things Brick-n-Morter, and some things online. If I buy something online I expect the price to be lower than B&M. Because I can't actually handle the product, inspect it's quality, I have little sales support to answer questions, etc. Online I have to pay S&H and insurance that I wouldn't for a B&M, and return S&H (possibly a restocking fee as well) if the product needs to go back. And I have to wait to receive it.

So without some clear advantage over B&M (price being one such benefit), online sales are a non-starter for me. I live near a large metro area so I have B&M options that others may not have.

It's not like restaurants are whining about my ability to buy a steak for less money at the grocery store. Same thing as B&M vs. online IMHO. If I'm willing to cook the steak, serve it to myself, and cleanup afterwards I expert the price to be lower than at a restaurant. You put up with some inconveniences and downsides in deference for a price break. Most of my steaks are served to me in a restaurant BTW, per my choice, not because some restaurant mandated that grocery stores charge me a higher price. If they tried that, I'd stop eating steaks.
 
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Hair said:
"You are very confused" does not inform or smooth. Couger is not perfect.

I am not upset and do not need to step outside. I do not have a chip on my shoulder.

Couger's comment was uneeded, and IMO, plain rude. His misunderstood, misread, and misquoted someone, and then proceeded to call them "confused". I was simply informing him he was wrong and smoothing the flow of the conversation.

If you did not know Couger better than you know me, or he was not in the position he is in, perhaps your opinion of the discussion would be different.

I do not have a chip on my shoulder because, unlike you, my replies would be the same no matter how said what I was replying to.
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Well said. Dear Cougar is incapable of understanding that his opinions are not statement of fact, and are no more important than if voiced by a non-super-whooper-duper moderator.

whitie
 
Tai Chi Feely said:
I love the Benchmade axis lock because of it's ease of one hand opening and closing, safety and ambidexterous nature. I own 2 BMs. However, just bought a Spyderco Poliwog and love the ball lock. If the market supports the ball lock, Spyderco will respond with more ball lock models. And I will be waiting. :)
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Agreed!

I have a mini-grip, 2 poliwogs and 2 dodos (plus a Cold Steel Recon One). Both the axis and ball locks are great. I'm now looking to get the D'Allara for it's ball lock. If they build it, I'll buy it. :thumbup:
 
DaveH said:
I think it's 80% BM trying to protect either the middleman or the brick and mortar stores. It would be interesting to know what percentage of sales come from retail bricks and motars vs of the net.

IMO, manufacturers should NOT try and protect bricks and mortar stores. My reasoning is sooner or later those stores will represent a small percentage of sales, and if you don't have a internet outlet, because you've honked off all those people then you be SOL.
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I've purchased about 25 knifes in the last 2 months and spent over $1,000 over the internet. I figure I've saved about 50% (maybe more, in some instances) off the MSRP. I would never have bought that many knives or spent that much in a live transaction. Now, have I "beat the system" or have I spurred the economy?
 
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