Whats going on with Emerson

[King of the Cheese]

I have a knife on order from Emerson that has been “preparing for shipment” since Monday. They must be overwhelmed with orders or something. Definitely needs to get his speed to shipping up a few notches, especially if he charges that $18.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

You hope someone goes “out of business” because they charge $18 for shipping? A little extreme. Why would you want someone’s livelihood ruined over something so ridiculous? That seems like a really petty and hateful remark.

Ad hominem.

No, it isn’t. Either you can admit you were trolling people that like Emerson knives.. or admit it was a ridiculous comment to say you want someone to go out of business for their shipping rates.

You might not like Emerson, but many of us do.

False dilemma, bandwagon.

Not sure what you care or don’t care about has to do with it. I was simply calling you out for the comment. In any case, I’ve said my piece. Carry on.

Red herring.

 

[Blackfish775]

I have a knife on order from Emerson that has been “preparing for shipment” since Monday. They must be overwhelmed with orders or something. Definitely needs to get his speed to shipping up a few notches, especially if he charges that $18.

... It's been two business days. Expecting Amazon like speeds out of a small business, especially at a high volume time of year, might be expecting too much.

 

[King of the Cheese]

... It's been two business days. Expecting Amazon like speeds out of a small business, especially at a high volume time of year, might be expecting too much.

It has been three business days, not two. Thursday is three days after Monday and I ordered it Sunday. Also, I didn’t mention anything about expecting it at my door in “Amazon” time, just would be nice to get a label printed out by now. Thanks for your concern.

 

[LEGION 12]

I have a knife on order from Emerson that has been “preparing for shipment” since Monday. They must be overwhelmed with orders or something. Definitely needs to get his speed to shipping up a few notches, especially if he charges that $18.

You know why .

 

[Blackfish775]

While Emerson may be the example in this thread, I wonder if we're going to see say... Hinderer, go down the same road. The current supply chain issues not withstanding, it's a lot easier for a company to get good out to consumers across the nation/state than it used to be.

Wonder where the break point is in terms of volume of sales/volume of production/staff for shipping and handling.

 

[King of the Cheese]

Ad hominem.



False dilemma, bandwagon.



Red herring.

Some sort of signal flare go up somewhere?

Let’s stick to the topic, please.

 

[Blackfish775]

Some sort of signal flare go up somewhere?

Let’s stick to the topic, please.

Is the topic "signal flares"?

 

[King of the Cheese]

While Emerson may be the example in this thread, I wonder if we're going to see say... Hinderer, go down the same road. The current supply chain issues not withstanding, it's a lot easier for a company to get good out to consumers across the nation/state than it used to be.

Wonder where the break point is in terms of volume of sales/volume of production/staff for shipping and handling.

I disagree. It’s harder for the small business to get the labor and negotiated rates that larger shippers have (distributors). The direct to consumer shipments cut out the middle man, but that middle man provides a valuable service… particularly in times like these where it’s hard to find people to do hourly work and shipping is so delayed due to holidays.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

Some sort of signal flare go up somewhere?

Let’s stick to the topic, please.

This is a public forum. I’m pointing out the fact that there is no logic to your argument which IS off topic. Do YOU care to discuss the topic? If I remember correctly, on the first page I posted something of actual substance here.

 

[King of the Cheese]

If I remember correctly, on the first page I posted something of actually substance here.

Good, let’s keep that trend going.

 

[King of the Cheese]

Is the topic "signal flares"?

That would be more “on topic” than what I’ve seen from a few here.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

Good, let’s keep that trend going.

I’ll let you go first.

 

[King of the Cheese]

I’ll let you go first.

I just posted twice about shipping expenses and delays. You must’ve missed those recent posts in your rush to troll me.

 

[Blackfish775]

I disagree. It’s harder for the small business to get the labor and negotiated rates that larger shippers have (distributors). The direct to consumer shipments cut out the middle man, but that middle man provides a valuable service… particularly in times like these where it’s hard to find people to do hourly work and shipping is so delayed due to holidays.

If shipping is delayed due to the holidays, how is adding a shipping and handling stop into the mix advantageous for the consumer?

If Emerson makes a batch of Bulldogs today, he can put them on his site and sell them today, and then it only has to go from him to consumer.

If he sends them to BladeHQ, then they have to wait to get then, then they can sell them. Emerson-> BladeHq-> is going to take longer and cost more in shipping.

 

[King of the Cheese]

If shipping is delayed due to the holidays, how is adding a shipping and handling stop into the mix advantageous for the consumer?

If Emerson makes a batch of Bulldogs today, he can put them on his site and sell them today, and then it only has to go from him to consumer.

If he sends them to BladeHQ, then they have to wait to get then, then they can sell them. Emerson-> BladeHq-> is going to take longer and cost more in shipping.

Distributors do something called “early buy” before holidays, so the Emerson’s would already be there ideally. Anything else?

 

[unwisefool]

I have one Emerson, it's not bad. The thing that always gets me about the knives is the proportions seem off. The giant handle makes the blade seem small, like it shrunk in the wash. I do have a ZT620 which is an excellent knife. Very sturdy, well made, easy to open with tunbdisc or wave and it looks nice. The ZT640 is another great example of a nice Emerson design but that is better than what his company puts out.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

While Emerson may be the example in this thread, I wonder if we're going to see say... Hinderer, go down the same road. The current supply chain issues not withstanding, it's a lot easier for a company to get good out to consumers across the nation/state than it used to be.

Wonder where the break point is in terms of volume of sales/volume of production/staff for shipping and handling.

I doubt we'll see too much of it. Distributors aren't just a way to get product to consumers, they're a way to get your product in front of more eyes. If you look at the brands that are largely doing direct sales only, they're typically very small and have very limited production capabilities with relatively high demand. Their problem isn't finding new customers, it's making enough product to satisfy their demand, so direct sales makes sense.

I think Emerson is big enough and has sufficient manufacturing capability that the same issue probably doesn't apply. Entirely reworking your distribution network is a pretty major task, and my cynical guess is that this move was much more likely triggered by some negative pressure rather than positive pressure. Remember, places like TRM and Tactile Turn sold through dealers before they established their reputation and moved away from them as demand increased. I guess it's possible Emerson has either seen a recent increase in demand or just now recognized an old increase, but that seems less likely.

 

[skyhorse]

If shipping is delayed due to the holidays, how is adding a shipping and handling stop into the mix advantageous for the consumer?

If Emerson makes a batch of Bulldogs today, he can put them on his site and sell them today, and then it only has to go from him to consumer.

If he sends them to BladeHQ, then they have to wait to get then, then they can sell them. Emerson-> BladeHq-> is going to take longer and cost more in shipping.

Makes perfect sense to me, why have a retailer sell his products when he can do it himself.

 

[Blackfish775]

I doubt we'll see too much of it. Distributors aren't just a way to get product to consumers, they're a way to get your product in front of more eyes. If you look at the brands that are largely doing direct sales only, they're typically very small and have very limited production capabilities with relatively high demand. Their problem isn't finding new customers, it's making enough product to satisfy their demand, so direct sales makes sense.

I think Emerson is big enough and has sufficient manufacturing capability that the same issue probably doesn't apply. Entirely reworking your distribution network is a pretty major task, and my cynical guess is that this move was much more likely triggered by some negative pressure rather than positive pressure. Remember, places like TRM and Tactile Turn sold through dealers before they established their reputation and moved away from them as demand increased. I guess it's possible Emerson has either seen a recent increase in demand or just now recognized an old increase, but that seems less likely.

I thought it was interesting seeing TuffThumbs go from customization, to custom knives, to creating ArcForm.

Wonder how many other "Instagram/forum dealers" will be able to grow like that.

Tactical Turn is cool, because I got to help them grow by getting copper pens from a couple of their Kickstarters. Haven't managed to snag any of their knives yet.