What's the scoop on Chinese D2 steel?

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Arathol said:
Well now, there it is.......you like breaking and entering? You seem to be thinking about it quite a bit.....
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Did you seriously not see the part where I said I was joking?? You were the one who took what I said out of context and insinuated I'd be breaking and entering
Arathol said:
Thats some funny stuff...so what you're really asking is would the D2 that Spyderco uses make a good breaking and entering tool....thats just great......
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You should really familiarize yourself with the laws surrounding ABANDONED BUILDINGS. There is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FORCING YOUR WAY INTO AN OCCUPIED LIVING PREMISES, AN UNOCCUPIED LIVING PREMISES and an UNINHABITED BUILDING.
 
The law doesn't differentiate between occupied and unoccupied structures. Either way its illegal.
You don't own the buildings or the property. Somebody else does. So, according to the law you are breaking and entering, trespassing, maybe burglarizing or vandalizing. I doubt that the police or the owners would see it your way. Good luck with that....
Nothing was taken out of context.... pry open a locked door, or even a shuttered window.....That is breaking and entering.....your words exactly.....
 
sharpknives23 said:
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Did you seriously not see the part where I said I was joking?? You were the one who took what I said out of context and insinuated I'd be breaking and entering

You should really familiarize yourself with the laws surrounding ABANDONED BUILDINGS. There is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FORCING YOUR WAY INTO AN OCCUPIED LIVING PREMISES, AN UNOCCUPIED LIVING PREMISES and an UNINHABITED BUILDING.
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I offer this as friendly advice, truly, I'm not trying to give you a hard time.

Just because a building is unoccupied doesn't mean someone doesn't own it. Even if it's completely run down and falling apart, chances are that someone owns it, either an individual, or an investment group (with intentions of developing), or a bank (after foreclosure), or the city.

Just entering the property could be trespassing, breaking a lock, forcing in a door, breaking a window, etc, to get in would definitely be considered "breaking and entering".

Unoccupied buildings are often targets of vandals, thieves (copper pipes, wire, other fixtures, etc), squatters, and other people with criminal intent (drugs, prostitution).

Even if you have no criminal intent when entering such buildings, if someone sees you enter and calls the cops, you could be charged with a variety of crimes, including possession of burglary tools for anything you are carrying that was, or could be used to "break in".

I would suggest a different hobby.

EDIT: Dang Arathol, you just beat me to the post;).
 
Arathol said:
The law doesn't differentiate between occupied and unoccupied structures. Either way its illegal.
You don't own the buildings or the property. Somebody else does. So, according to the law you are breaking and entering, trespassing, maybe burglarizing or vandalizing. I doubt that the police or the owners would see it your way. Good luck with that....
Nothing was taken out of context.... pry open a locked door, or even a shuttered window.....That is breaking and entering.....your words exactly.....
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It's simply trespassing. Illegal, sure, but that's just a summary charge. Or as you folks would call a 'misdemeanour.' I'm from Canada, so the laws here are different, but not by much. They'd most likely give me a fine and tell me to stop doing it. It's an abandoned building, it's not someone's home OR a place of business.

You are implying I'm trying to do MUCH worse, by forcing my way into someone's living premises. That's called a home invasion, what you people would call a 'felony.' And I don't appreciate it. Urban exploration actually IS a thing & I'd implore you to once again familiarize yourself with what it is. It isn't breaking into to peoples homes and places of business.
 
Yeah, generally URBEX doesn’t involve prying open doors with hatchets. That elevates it beyond trespassing in most places. This coming from someone who used to explore “abandoned” buildings all the time as a teenager.
 
AdamFuzzyballs said:
Yeah, generally URBEX doesn’t involve prying open doors with hatchets. That elevates it beyond trespassing in most places. This coming from someone who used to explore “abandoned” buildings all the time as a teenager.
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Fwiw, there's this abandoned hospital I have my sights set on right now that's rumoured to be haunted, and supposedly, there's this section of the hospital that is locked shut that is said to be the most haunted. That's what I'm really after lol. People get into that hospital all the time but nobody to my recollection has been in that part of the hospital, I want to get video.
 
sharpknives23 said:
It's simply trespassing. Illegal, sure, but that's just a summary charge. Or as you folks would call a 'misdemeanour.' I'm from Canada, so the laws here are different, but not by much. They'd most likely give me a fine and tell me to stop doing it. It's an abandoned building, it's not someone's home OR a place of business.

You are implying I'm trying to do MUCH worse, by forcing my way into someone's living premises. That's called a home invasion, what you people would call a 'felony.' And I don't appreciate it. Urban exploration actually IS a thing & I'd implore you to once again familiarize yourself with what it is. It isn't breaking into to peoples homes and places of business.
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Illegal is illegal, just like D2 is D2.....rationalize it any way you want.....
You are the one who said you'd break into my house and smash things. I said no such thing or implied that anybody (including you) was going to either.
 
sharpknives23 said:
Fwiw, there's this abandoned hospital I have my sights set on right now that's rumoured to be haunted, and supposedly, there's this section of the hospital that is locked shut that is said to be the most haunted. That's what I'm really after lol. People get into that hospital all the time but nobody to my recollection has been in that part of the hospital, I want to get video.
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Look, I understand completely. I’m of the mindset that if someone has a building that’s been left out without security or some form of protection, they know people are going to go inside. Not that it makes it right, but it’s the reality. And in my younger years before I had a significant other to concern my actions I might have (would have) done the same thing. But now, I’d be pretty careful about videoing and what I’d do, it might be locked for a reason. I would definitely advise against taking anything that’s hard to explain if you get found, you might get lucky or you might get a cop whose had a rough 16 hr shift.
 
Centermass said:
D2, regardless of country of origin, or questionable heat treat, is generally ineffective against ghosts.
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What if I get it baptized in holy water before I set out on my adventure?
Arathol said:
Illegal is illegal, just like D2 is D2.....rationalize it any way you want.....
You are the one who said you'd break into my house and smash things. I said no such thing or implied that anybody (including you) was going to either.
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YOU insinuated that I'd be breaking and entering when the context of what you were trying to convey was incorrect; I never mentioned a desire to break into anyone's home or place of business.
 
On a serious note, though, as others have stated, your supernatural curiosity does not grant you lawful authorization to enter, explore, even worse, potentially further damage, property that does not belong to you, “abandoned” (which is not something YOU get to determine) or not. Though, it’s a heck of a way to get your $382 tomahawk seized as evidence.
 
sharpknives23 said:
YOU insinuated that I'd be breaking and entering when the context of what you were trying to convey was incorrect; I never mentioned a desire to break into anyone's home or place of business.
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Except my house you mean.......
Breaking and entering is breaking and entering regardless of whether the building is occupied or not. Doesn't make a difference....
 
Centermass said:
On a serious note, though, as others have stated, your supernatural curiosity does not grant you lawful authorization to enter, explore, even worse, potentially further damage, property that does not belong to you, “abandoned” (which is not something YOU get to determine) or not. Though, it’s a heck of a way to get your $382 tomahawk seized as evidence.
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It's actually $450 Canadian ROFL

They're currently in the process of tearing down the hospital to build apartments and condominiums, so I should think that what I choose to damage is really of no significant matter. A tomahawk would be a hell of a lot cooler to own than a crow bar though
 
The Spyderco Hawk is very thick, and one piece of steel. Regardless of it being made from D2, it is highly likely that it will survive whatever you can do with it.

The steel source is not an issue, as Spyderco advertises the Hawk as a breaching tool. If it were to break, it would be covered under a warranty.

As far as using it for trespassing, that is a bad idea, and even worse to proclaim your intent on the internet.
 
sharpknives23 said:
Fwiw, there's this abandoned hospital I have my sights set on right now that's rumoured to be haunted, and supposedly, there's this section of the hospital that is locked shut that is said to be the most haunted.
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Yeah I gaurantee you it isn’t haunted. I did my share of that stuff in high school and the scariest thing I experienced was falling through the floor of a 2 story abandoned “nut house”.
And also if that is your intent there’s a good chance of losing it in the dark or someone stealing it. Lots of better, cheaper options- regular folder and prybar for example
 
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sharpknives23 said:
It's actually $450 Canadian ROFL

They're currently in the process of tearing down the hospital to build apartments and condominiums, so I should think that what I choose to damage is really of no significant matter. A tomahawk would be a hell of a lot cooler to own than a crow bar though
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In my jurisdiction, trespassing on a designated construction site is a felony. Armed trespassing and/or burglary are enhancements. Your laws may differ, but it’s something I know a little bit about. Legality aside, it’s a matter of just leaving stuff that’s not yours alone.

You can justify your shenanigans in your mind all you like. Everyone I’ve ever arrested for burglary, trespassing, prowling, possession of burglary tools, etc in my career has. I’m very sure the judge, magistrate, or whatever you call the presiding official in your jurisdiction would love to hear your rationale, and likely doesn’t care how much your tool cost you.

Something about horses and water… anyway.
 
Centermass said:
In my jurisdiction, trespassing on a designated construction site is a felony. Armed trespassing and/or burglary are enhancements. Your laws may differ, but it’s something I know a little bit about. Legality aside, it’s a matter of just leaving stuff that’s not yours alone.

You can justify your shenanigans in your mind all you like. Everyone I’ve ever arrested for burglary, trespassing, prowling, possession of burglary tools, etc in my career has. I’m very sure the judge, magistrate, or whatever you call the presiding official in your jurisdiction would love to hear your rationale, and likely doesn’t care how much your tool cost you.

Something about horses and water… anyway.
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Oh sh*t you're a cop!! LMAO jk
 
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