What's up with cold steel testing triad locks against cheap knives?

Relayer said:
I own no Cold Steel products, but I'm on the verge of buying an AUS8 Recon 1. I appreciate the tests Demko is doing and I find nothing about him "smug", nor the tests "disrespectful" (are you kidding me?) to any other manufacturer. I enjoy watching them and I hope he does more. Keep up the good work!
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Buy the newer XHP steel, it's worth it for the extra $20-$30 you'll pay. Better steel, better black finish (DLC is way better than TuffEx).
 
DShiflet said:
Nothing funny about it, you can see the tests plain as day. Are you gonna throw out some kinda conspiracy theory about how CS is getting fake copies of the knives they are testing against?
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Nope. I just don't trust any company that tests their product against another and then hopes everyone will go by it.
 
Noswad0208 said:
Nope. I just don't trust any company that tests their product against another and then hopes everyone will go by it.
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What kind of car do you drive?
What kind if laundry detergent?
Do you own a vacuum sweeper?
What about shoes?
Toothpaste?
Own any firearms?
 
The way I typed it wasn't the way I meant it, I'm just saying that I don't respect the reason CS seems to be doing the testing. I think that if they want to test it, good for them, but it came off as cocky and arrogant when they got their panties in a twist when Spyderco came up with a new lock and they decided that it wasn't okay.

Y'all go back to chopping boots filled with meat, I'll stick with US made from companies I've come to respect.
 
I call B.S. If you don't like Cold Steel, why are you in their forum? You are a troll or another girly man that can't handle the truth.

Grow up. Competition and comparison is how you get the best product for the job.
 
Noswad0208 said:
The way I typed it wasn't the way I meant it, I'm just saying that I don't respect the reason CS seems to be doing the testing. I think that if they want to test it, good for them, but it came off as cocky and arrogant when they got their panties in a twist when Spyderco came up with a new lock and they decided that it wasn't okay.

Y'all go back to chopping boots filled with meat, I'll stick with US made from companies I've come to respect.
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Have you even watched the Tatanka video?
 
I definitely understand Noswad's perspective (like many others on here). Cold steel has a strong lock so they focus on that, but throughout their AUS-8 years their heat treat was pretty suspect (a lot of edge's tearing out without any plastic deformation, seeing one of their old hollow grinds with a scallop taken out is pretty common). If Buck started posting videos about the quality of their heat treat vs Cold Steel's people might feel the same way.

Frankly it doesn't bother me that Cold Steel does this, I think it is pretty interesting to see and a good comparison. People just need to not focus on that too much and recognize it is a very small piece of the puzzle in making a good knife.

Also Dave, you need to calm down man...
 
I am not the one with sand in my vjay jay about the testing. Quite frankly, a person is an idiot if they are complaining about this.

I watched the Tatanka video. It actually showed the Tatanka in a good light. Lynn even said it had a strong lock in his latest article. The tests made me glad I own one. The lock is strong enough.

Cold Steel is emphasizing lock strength because they feel this is most important. They never claimed to have the best steel. Steel can be sharpened. Fingers can't be replaced.
 
Dave Hunnicutt said:
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fixed that for ya, davey old boy.
 
Because it takes super intelligence to talk with cartoons. Why are you here? I thought your girly feelings got hurt when Cold Steel compared knives? Aren't you late for your gyno appointment?
 
If you can't act civil, take it to email as nobody is interested in the bickering.
 
Noswad, if you only buy US made you won't be getting a Tatanka anyway. They come from Seki Japan, just like the rest of Spyderco's VG10 blades.

I like Sal's products, and I like Lynn's products. Not being an American country of origin doesn't matter to me... although if one of those two started selling Damascus blades from Pakistan I might raise a quizzical eyebrow. As long as they run tight quality control, and get products made by reputable companies like Windlass Steelcrafts in India, there are no more issues with their products than you'd find anywhere else in the marketplace.
 
Dave Hunnicutt said:
Because it takes super intelligence to talk with cartoons. Why are you here? I thought your girly feelings got hurt when Cold Steel compared knives? Aren't you late for your gyno appointment?
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Dave, I wouldn't talk down anybody's intelligence here. You have 27 posts, and this is about the peak IQ of all of them. Take advice from Morrow and Fire_Brand and put down the keyboard.

Fire_Brand makes a good point. Lock strength is great, but it's just one ingredient in baking a good knife. For some, that may be the most important feature. For others, (like me, who EDCs traditional knives without trouble), it's not the selling point at all. Ergos, steel, blade profiles, price-point, even aesthetic appeal... they all play a part in the selection process for most people. Hopefully, Cold Steel will showcase those elements as well.

I've owned Cold Steel stuff in the past, probably will in the future. But it won't be a video of "Espada lock beats Spyderco Military Lock" that determines what knife selection I make.

I've heard people mention the old adage: "If you know how to properly use a knife, you don't need a lock." I have to say I agree with the essence of this. Millions of folks have carried millions of traditional knives for hundreds of years, with no letting of blood. It's because we know the limitations of our knives, and don't push them beyond that... hence "properly using" the knives.

But occasionally there are folks who merely THINK they know the limitations of their particular knife, and THINK they're within the operating parameters. It's these folk who MIGHT benefit from a sturdy lock on their piece. On the flipside, a sturdy lock may push somebody into thinking that their knife can take a great bit more than it actually can, and trouble can result. I've done a fair bit of 4-wheeling, and can tell you this... Give a guy a 4WD and sometimes he'll get himself stuck. Give that guy a winch for the front of his truck, and it'll just make him get stucker than before. False sense of security is a dangerous thing. A lock of any strength is not a suitable substitute for a competent knife operator.

And a great lock doesn't make up for shortcomings in other aspects of design, either.
 
i like the tri-ad. it's like a radical move forward in the evolution of the knife lock world. that and it's about dummy user proof when it comes to closing on fingers when using. the videos of testing, so be it. like it or hate it, your choice. has no bearing on the products, not imho anyways. products are good they are good, that's all i need to know. truth is i find out best on my own using the product myself. fun to watch the videos though. they are harmless, as those who love their frame locks don't need super lock strength, or they would buy a tri-ad or use a fixed blade, or other solution to a need. i picked on frame locks as they are my personal least favorite...but i own many dozens as i do enjoy them for what they are.

only wish i could get me a Demko custom. one day maybe........
 
Noswad0208 said:
The way I typed it wasn't the way I meant it, I'm just saying that I don't respect the reason CS seems to be doing the testing. I think that if they want to test it, good for them, but it came off as cocky and arrogant when they got their panties in a twist when Spyderco came up with a new lock and they decided that it wasn't okay.

Y'all go back to chopping boots filled with meat, I'll stick with US made from companies I've come to respect.
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That's fine but can you do us a favor and back out of this subforum? Then, we can be left with the actual supporters and fans of CS?
 
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