what's up with strider knives lately?

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this is an interesting thread. people seem to be more passionate about striders, busse, swamp rats, etc. and i think this leads to this cult like attitude towards them.

i have spent just as much time in the archives reading old posts as i do reading the new ones and i have seen some of the busse people be rude to new makers like eric fehrman but never jerry himself.

mick on the other hand is what i would call less humble :(
 
First of all as far as price is concerned they are a bargain. I make $9 an hour, support a family, and I own 8 Striders. A Marine buddy of mine owns three that all went to Iraq with him.

As far as cult following? All of the manufacturers have a cult following.

As far as not being innovative lately, and not introducing new designs. That's uninformed BS. In my opinion they are the most innovative company around today. Check out some of the models sold at the Vegas Classic.

The intelligent will not rip on something they have little or no experience with.

-Art
 
I have been to their shop in SD county. What a great bunch of guys,
making a great product. The following is a bit of a joke though.
(I think even to those who work for the Co.) Some of the fans are over the top. The smallest detail can make one worth 2-3x a standard identical model.
The blade steel and blade finish that's gonna come off were a couple reasons I have not rogered up.
Do I own one? No. Seemed like to much $$$ for what I would get.
And the folders seemed a bit crude compared with others in even the $200-$300 range.
If I need a pry bar, I use one. I got into Microtechs few yrs ago and began
carrying and collecting them. I guess a lot of it has to do with what appeals to you, and what you get started on. Folks tend to stay with what they like.
And if you like Striders you got to love cord handles and folders that do not flash open. And for the record, the folks at Strider are very friendly and build a quality product.
Thats the great thing about talking about knives. No one is right, its all personal opinions. There is no winner or looser. :)
 
Posting on a thread like this can get you banned on some forums. Cults are for week minds. Bad a$$ knives are for???
 
MelancholyMutt said:
A little hipocritical of mick I think since he copied so many other things on his knives from other makers without compensation as well. Notice the similarities in his knives to Ek designs, also they're making framelocks as well as linerlocks which I don't believe were their own inventions. There's an "organized crime" mentality over there and Strider is one of the "bosses". What can you do about it? Vote with your wallet. Refuse to buy anything associated with the "dark side".

Striders copies of EK designs?? WTF? No waaay.
 
doorkicker...
What do I think?? you ask...well he goes... its about passion, pride and integrity... the man makes a great product...stands behind his work, 100%
makes hard use tools,that perform... could a lesser expensive knife do such tasks...maybe, but i dont want to take that chance... its all about choice...
yeah,i make my own knives too...but you know what's on my belt also...you guessed it! does that make me part of the cult... maybe :D
bottom line... buy what you like ... people are passonate about there knives
that's what makes us knife nuts! and that's OK to really follow a line of knives and be excited about a new product/feature that a maker/company comes out with...its a business...they are great at what they do,and they keep there customers happy... :)
 
spydiefan you might want to check out the buck site. they actually came out with two fixed blades and one is available in two points.
 
I'm impressed that Mick gets back to you even when you raise some dumbass questions. It's a great product and it's like anything else out there.. if you prefer something else, your wallet ultimately makes the decision.
 
Yeah but those other two are in 420hc for like 180, I can buy a TOPS in 1095 for that. I'm one of those that just prefers carbon for fixed blades, but something like S30V should be pretty tough. I guess I'm just going to have to eventually bite the bullet and buy a GS, I just think it looks way cool and I like paracord handles, I've just never spent that much on a user knife ($325), of course I guess if I did break one I'd get it replaced for free. I mainly use a big FB knife to slice and cut, no chopping and little prying, hence my love for my BK 7, cuts like a big razor. Can anyone tell me how the GS performs as a slicer, I know it's much thicker .25 vs .188 also it appears to be hollow ground instead of flat saber, but it looks so cool.
 
the comments are based on Dana Carvey's "Wayne's World" characters, but written with knives in mind

:D

Strider makes a nice knife; I do not feel cheated for having bought one. SRKW did me well also, even had to use their warranty once and I had a new knife in about four days :cool:

I carried a Spyderco Endura for almost two years commercial fishing. All these guys make sweet knives, and the function justifies the price. I feel no special affinity for any of those makers, but their products speak for themselves, which is good.
 
I think its just like pretty much anything else, ive known guys that wouldnt put anything other than craftsman or snap-on tools in their boxes and if you had something different they would jerk your chain about it. Thats crap look at those ratchets they suck such garbage etc. Most people have some company or product that they identify with, Coke VS Pepsi, Ford vs Chevy Busse VS Strider same deal. They like it they defend it because they like it and have invested money in it. I own a SRKW camp tramp and i have a rat trap on the way, my camp tramp is great i love it, i frequent SRKW forums i kinda like the image i guess. Beat them use them try your best to trash them, they dont look very pretty but they work like crazy that strikes a tone with me. Would i pay $300 bucks for one, no their knives arent worth that much. Will i tell someone whos touting ka-bar that my SRKW will beat their knife into the ground heck yeah, but im not going to tell them they are a waste of humanity because they bought a ka-bar and not a SRKW
 
MCM said:
If I need a pry bar, I use one. There is no winner or looser. :)

True true. However, if I have to switch to a pry bar - that's one more tool to carry about. FOr 'real' prying jobs I use my prybar. But for seperating car parts to get at hook points, or to pull them off or out from other cars they are crashed into, or to pull a window or door frame out just enough to sneak in a tool to pick the lock, etc. a small prybar Strider works very well, and allows me to switch to cutting if the part(plastic, Kevlar, cabling, seatbelts, nylon, etc.) is truly stuck.

Some people appreciate value. If value is being able to do ones work hour to hour, day by day, all with basically one tool that is indestructable and warrantied for life, then that's great value. If you sit at a computer all day long at work and pontificate on-line about $300 knives being too expensive, then few knives will really have value other than cutting slices off the occasional peach - Microtechs work great for that ;).

Being able to cut and pry one second to the next is the difference between repoing a car and not to me. I pry with it every day, and I cut with it every day. It works great. The finish is wearing off. But, if you do not wear out the finishes on your knives - regardless of how tough they are, then you really aren't making much use of them, are you? A simple affordable combat knife would work for you and your peaches. ;)

I looked at Striders first for their folders because I didn't want to have to carry a fixed blade, and other folders I was using were dropping left and right. When I tried on an EB, I realized it was nearly invisible and weightless with the well-built sheath it comes with(easily attached and removed from a belt with one hand, yet very secure). Busse knives were too bulky and big. My EB-AC has a 4.5" blade, and is relatively light and flat, yet ergonomic enough to fit the hand well, gloves or not, - never slipping.
I would destroy a Microtech my first day with it. S30V sharpens to a much better edge than 154/134, too. And, of course, can take much more lateral stress(prying).

I personally have seen too many carbon steel blades in the $40-$150 bend and break for me to use one. I am sure people will recall the Carbon V Recon failure thread. While I certainly agree he asked too much of a 'bargain' knife and was perhaps tricked by marketing, I know my Strider could split wood without batting an eye. But why would I split a chunk of wood with my knife when there's plenty of other kindling around I could just break into pieces with my bare hands, I dunno... ;)

Then there's the humidity. Texas sure ain't Utah. Carrying even a stainless steel knife in the summer means you must lightly oil it, and it basically prohibits carrying a carbon blade close to your person. That means you must stick with Stainless or D2, A2 etc. if you want high carbon. While D2 and A2 blades can be great when it comes to rust resistance, they cost nearly the same or more than Strider's S30V blades, and certainly are still more susceptable to rust.

Basically, if you USE your knife(and occaisonally abuse it), you really end up spending $300+ to get one that will last.

WYK
 
Wasz,

Really liked your analogy about tools. It is kinda like looking at a really nice piece of woodworking. What's more important, the craftsman who did the work or the tools he or she used?

I have a tiny collection of antique tools, but I always remember that they are not as important as what can be done with them.
 
I started out seriously in knife buying, trading and research on these hallowed boards. It's still one of the best knife websites bar none. (thanks spark & the mods) I've seen alot of good info on what & why of the new design of the past few years and purchased or traded for those various folders & fixed blades from those opinions. Recently, I've bought or traded for a Strider WP Tanto, an Sng and will probably buy more. I have financed most of this by selling many of my production folders, many that were in the upper price ranges. I didn't do this to join a "cult"; I have found for my needs (user friendly EDC blades) the toughness of Striders would cover most all the needs that I used to rotate +12 knives on a regular basis. Plus, when I sell a knife my wife thinks I'm cured. I had a few Busses, but decided otherwise; they were certinaly very good. I don't need to "have Mick's back", as he can do that quite well. Knives are like my buddy that sold used cars said "there's a seat for every ass!" And so it is with knives. Or most anything else. Some can do wonders with an old Schrade handed down thru the family, and others like the innovation of modern steel that hold an edge while not requiring constant care. If you don't like the price of steak, eat a hamburger; but don't complain it don't taste like T-bone. just my opinion-your may certinaly vary, and be right for you! pm
 
spydiefan, i love becker knives too and i think you would be o.k. sticking with em. why change? you have an excellent point for $50, you can replace it over and over.
geegee, i think you win for best point on this thread. i was laughing my ass off...
 
"EK knives suck."

Ek Knives have a lot of incredible history that predates the mediocrity of the Blackjack period. They were the Striders and Busses of their time.
 
EK knives can't be compared to Randalls either.

I don't need a history lesson, if I carry a blade it'll be a real knife.

Yeah, people can carry old antique knives if they want. It's 2005 I like to use what is the best Now.
 
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