What's up with the Cold Steel hate around here?

[dogstar]

Bottom Tier line made up of mostly machetes and bushman one piece knives in the under $40 price range. Now this line has been spot on for me. This is truly where CS shines in my opinion. I have owned a dozen CS machetes and the same number of bushman one piece knives. These knives are tough as hell in my experience and are worth the price of admission. I still own these knives and the bushman is my glove compartment knife. It has come handy often and I have beaten it to death and it did not fail. Sad that this lower tier line is better than the middle tier line of theirs.
What more could you ask for in a knife that costs $20

Great post, Cobalt, full of information and experience. I'm a cheapskate, so these are the only CS knives I have experience with. They have never failed me as well.

To the people who argue CS copies others' designs, no doubt they do, and I can understand your disapproval. What I find funny is, Condor does the same thing, but they come off squeaky clean on this forum. I think there is a little subjectivity here.

 

[Yo Mama]

Originally Posted by Yo Mama
You can all debate CS all you want, looks like the OP has been gone for a few weeks now.

UHHHH!!!


Originally Posted by PharaohX3
Wow, I'm buying the Bushman now. I can see it will be fun to play with and will make for a great back-up in the truck or a loaner. Thanks Cobalt!
He posted last night

Woops, missed his reply, I guess I also make some mistakes here and there. Certainly didn't deserve the jerk it emoticon though.

 

[Cobalt]

Woops, missed his reply, I guess I also make some mistakes here and there. Certainly didn't deserve the jerk it emoticon though.

Sorry man, I don't often get to use it, so if I get the opportunity, I do no bad meant by it

 

[Custom]

Yes we do. That's not 'gossip' or a rumour or something, that's something that actually happened. Let me show you the ones I can remember off the top of my head:

Original (Loveless Sub-Hilt):

Cold Steel:

Original (Strider Tanto):

Cold Steel:

Original (Grohmann Model 1):

Cold Steel:

Original (Tighe Stick):

Cold Steel:

Original (Randal Model 1):

Cold Steel:

this truly disgusts me

 

[Yo Mama]

^No worries, now back to your normally scheduled programing

 

[dongbeiren]

I had the good fortune to meet and talk to Mel Pardue at a local knife shop a couple of months ago, and during our conversation that very subject came up, and he told me "they (cold steel) did not license the axis lock, we sued their asses and made them stop!"

I don't know if you know something I don't, but I figured Mel is a trustworthy source.

By the way, he had some great custom knives with him. Too bad I could not afford one

I would also believe in Mel on this matter my friend, thanks for letting me know the truth!

 

[ron_m80]

this truly disgusts me

Why Cold Steel was not the first "company" to copy Loveless designs, and every show I got to there is at least one table with a maker behind it displaying all copies of the loveless designs.

Speak with your wallet on this issue, and all will be right in the world.

 

[LX_Emergency]

No hate from me. Don't own anything by them because:

1) I dislike their cheap stuff.
2) I feel their "good" stuff is WAY overpriced. Otherwise I'd already own at LEAST a Caledonian Edge (before it was discontinued.)

 

[tobii3]

Speak with your wallet on this issue, and all will be right in the world.

In agreement with you Ron...Perhaps learning to read website descriptions as well, Custom?

The Cold Steel Canadian Belt Knife takes inspiration from a 1950's classic.

Nevermind that you compared it to the Grohmann version of the D.H. Russell belt knife....

This classic sub-hilt design fighter was first developed by Bob Loveless, one of the founding members of the knifemaker's guild.

Credit where credit is due...Perhaps you've never looked at the Boker Kressler Subhilt....or Dietmar Kressler, the "Bob Loveless of Europe"?

As for the GI Tanto and the claim it is a ripoff of Strider?

Apparently you've never seen Kit Carson's U2 knife made back in the 90's...

Do we even need to discuss the R1? Did the name make you realize it is in reference to RANDALL 1?

Now you can own an exact replica of this original classic for a very reasonable price.

Seriously? Hatred and disgust based on ignorance? Really? That's it?

 

[ron_m80]

Perhaps learning to read website descriptions as well, Custom?

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[tobii3]

Uh, Ron? That was directed at Custom in addition to your comment...not at you...hence the reference to him....post updated...

 

[Dorito Monk]

Seriously? Hatred and disgust based on ignorance? Really? That's it?

Ohhhh, looks like we've got a butthurt fanboy! Sweet.

Little Toby here can't deal with people pointing out the past or present scumbag practices of his pet knife company, so he has to come over and launch fallacies at us.

Nevermind that you compared it to the Grohmann version of the D.H. Russell belt knife....

Yeah, because that is the '1950's Classic' that Cold Steal 'took their inspiration from' without giving them any credit. The Model 1 Belt knife was originally designed and manufactured by Grohmann knives with the help of Deane H. Russell in Pictou, Nova Scotia from the 1950's to present day. Do you see Cold Steel giving any credit to Grohmann or D.H. Russell anywhere?

For that matter, did they give any credit whatsoever to Randall knives, anywhere? You say that 'R1' Stands for 'Randall 1' - yeah, Cold Steel is obviously alluding to Randall knives (all the better to ride on their coat-tails and profit from Randall's reputation), but stops far, far short of giving them the credit they're due for designing the knife, or even so much as naming them.

As for the GI Tanto and the claim it is a ripoff of Strider?

Apparently you've never seen Kit Carson's U2 knife made back in the 90's...

"Look, a knife that doesn't even remotely resemble the strider!" - what is that supposed to prove? About the only thing those knives have in common is that they're both tantos. Wildly different handles, different guards, different serrations, different blade shapes...

Even if that knife had more than a vague similarity to either the strider tanto or the Cold Steel tanto, which a blind man could tell isn't the case, all you'd be demonstrating is that Cold Steal ripped off another design. "No, they didn't rip off Strider, they ripped off Carson!" This is supposed to exonerate Cold Steel?

Buy them if you want - that's fine - but getting all frustrated like that and acting as though they haven't ever ripped off other peoples' designs is just outright ignoring the facts.

 

[tobii3]

… acting as though they haven't ever ripped off other peoples' designs is just outright ignoring the facts.

Stick with your Doritos, Monk. EVERY knifemaker has copied another knifemaker. Deal with it. Or be a dumba$$. Your choice.

 

[Dorito Monk]

Stick with your Doritos, Monk. EVERY knifemaker has copied another knifemaker. Deal with it. Or be a dumba$$. Your choice.

Wow, very classy. Well, I'm moving on, looks like there's no adult conversation to be had here anymore. :barf:

 

[tobii3]

Okay Dorito, here's your adult conversation.

Why is it that the most common knife used by Soldiers is made by Cold Steel? Why is it the most common knives seen in Afghanistan and Iraq were Cold Steel, Benchmade, Spyderco and Ontario and not some $400 custom tactical folder or fixed blade?

Can you answer that?

 

[Cobalt]

Apparently you've never seen Kit Carson's U2 knife made back in the 90's...

Actually the Carson U2 was replicated by Buck and called the Intrepid. But this was with Kit's blessing, so all was good. :thumbup:

 

[cziv]

Cold Steel is the US G.I.'s favorite blade then? A CS, wow. Do you have any info on which models are the most popular among our troops?

 

[tobii3]

Here's the twist Cobalt.

Unscrew the handles...because they are designed that way...then look at them again.

We used the Buck versions as dive knives, requiring the handles to be taken off...which makes it obvious as hell.

 

[NeverMore1701]

 

[seelow123]

Okay Dorito, here's your adult conversation.

Why is it that the most common knife used by Soldiers is made by Cold Steel? Why is it the most common knives seen in Afghanistan and Iraq were Cold Steel, Benchmade, Spyderco and Ontario and not some $400 custom tactical folder or fixed blade?

Can you answer that?

Because not everyone has an extra 400 dollars lying around to dump on a knife?