What's with all the "Paypal only" sellers?

[pertinux]

There was a time when people speculated if Google would create a pay system that would compete with Paypal, but it doesn't seem to have come to term as of today.

I like Google Wallet, for the clean interface but also because I believe it's healthy for PayPal to have some real competition.

That few have even heard of "Google Wallet," let alone availed themselves of its use, suggests that there is ground to be covered-- "to come to term," indeed.

[I prefer not to think about all that "Google" now holds, as far as my information. Tra la la, tra la la.]

~ P.

 

[mars5l]

I dont trust google as a seller, only as a buyer

 

[Ritt]

refusing to use Paypal given their anti-gun stance

Can you expand on the "paypal is anti-gun" statement? I read this all the time, and beyond the fact that you can't technically use paypal to pay for a firearm, I'm not aware of their anti-gun activities. Paypal and ebay (same thing I guess) are both based out of California, and so are subject to the laws of that state. If paypal is so anti-gun, why does the NRA accept payment through Paypal?

I use Paypal because it's fast and safe. Been using it for 10 years and it's saved me being ripped off 3 times that I can remember. I used to accept USPS money orders, but no one uses cash anymore so finding a post office with enough cash to cash a money order for more than about $100 got to be too much of a pain. I've talked to people where I bank, and sometimes it can take several weeks for a check to really "clear", so you could deposit a check and it could bounce 3 weeks later.

As someone else posted, buying firearms is a much more involved process that involves verifying and recording the identities of both seller and buyer, which just inherently makes it much less risky than dealing with knives. Paypal's just the safest, quickest, most convenient thing going right now.

 

[UrFrndlyNebrhoodS]

NEWS FLASH! If a seller accepts Paypal goods and services and doesn't say buyer pays for fees he has included those fees in the asking price. The buyer is paying whether he knows it or not.

This^ Personal, gift, net, some percentage, etc. make no difference. When a seller lists something, he or she figures fees, shipping and handling into the price. It really is a personal preference for whatever reason whether he or she believes it to be more suitable toward the buyer or seller.


Really not sure why the hate towards Paypal, other than if you have been burned a few times. Without having read up on Paypal's policies regarding firearms, my guess is they do it to protect all those involved as a firearm is much more considered a weapon. Most likely by law, state, federal, or local, Paypal as a business entity has to follow certain standards which may or may not limit the sale or trade of firearms. Even if 10,000 people decided not to use Paypal due to its policy on firearms, I doubt they would or could change their policies. It is kind of like for the same reason a gun owner has to apply for a gun license to carry but yet a person doesn't have to do the same to carry a knife. :thumbup:

 

[Rookie82]

Of the approximately 100 knives I've sold over the last 3 years, I would say 80% of them went through Paypal. But I was happy to accept other forms of payment from buyers that preferred not use Paypal. I've never had any major problems buying/selling using Paypal, or using more traditional methods. The biggest headache was a personal check from a buyer from Canada, and the bank for whatever reason took nearly 2 weeks to clear it. But the buyer was aware and was patient, and once the check was good the knife was sent on it's way.

 

[AVigil]

Why breaking the rules of PayPal ,allowing people to advertise having others pay their fees, is allowed here on BF is kinda strange.

How about no advertising of breaking any rules in sales ads?

 

[RevDevil]

Why breaking the rules of PayPal ,allowing people to advertise having others pay their fees, is allowed here on BF is kinda strange.

How about no advertising of breaking any rules in sales ads?

How about if the deal looks shady simply move along? The majority of sales threads are not in "violation". We aren't Paypal employees, they don't pay any of us to enforce their rules. Why should we enforce their rules anyway? I would rather make sure that deals that go down here go smoother and no one gets burned. Maybe it's a coincidence but, many knife vendors have stopped accepting Paypal as payment since they ultimately want to have all vendors using their service to abide by California laws, regardless of the state laws the vendors are in. In short, we provide the venue, it is entirely up to you the members to follow their rules. This has already been covered in depth many, many times before. It's up to Spark, but that has been his position in the past.

 

[SidTheMuss]

Firearms are controlled items, registered to your name etc. selling them have protocols set and that very fact gives both buyer and seller protection. Knives on the other hand are more or less freely traded, using Paypal instead of sending cash check wire or money order to a seller you met on some random online exchange offer some peace of mind with the protections it offers. Scams happen everywhere including Paypal but sending a $400 check to someone I never even met before can really turn into a train wreck.

I can only share my experience and Ive used Paypal for over a decade as a buyer and seller on probably thousands of transactions and Ive been completely fine. The one or two issues that I did have were resolved fairly. As far them not supporting the 2nd... Well that sucks but as a CCW holder, more and more places are doing the same. Cant even Mail a knife I sold at the USPS while carrying supposedly. Should I not patronize the post office too? Half the country is anti gun. Your whole state is anti gun AND NY city doesnt even allow knife carry or mail. Do you ban yourself from goin to NY city out of protest?

ok this paypal talk is great and all but the real issue at hand is how the heck did u get a ccw permit in san joaquin county??

 

[Alpha Knife Supply]

PayPal is safe and secure.

We just heard about another knifemaker who had is account frozen last week for selling weapons (knives).

Our account was hacked. We lost money and never got it back.

PayPal is safe and secure.

Chuck

 

[Ritt]

PayPal is safe and secure.

We just heard about another knifemaker who had is account frozen last week for selling weapons (knives).

Our account was hacked. We lost money and never got it back.

PayPal is safe and secure.

Chuck

Why don't you switch to the system that is 100% safe and secure?

 

[leghog]

I actually brought up a similar discussion in the feedback section awhile back.I prefer USPS money orders myself.

yup...

 

[Guy Montag]

Why don't you switch to the system that is 100% safe and secure?

Postal Money Order and copy of the receipt from the Post Office, 100% secure, safe.

Take a picture of the money order and receipt, text it to the seller and they can verify the money order number on the receipt, with the actual money order.

Now that you're aware of a system that is 100% safe and secure, I hope you take advantage of it.

You can remit any fees you were intending on spending with Paypal to a charity of your choice.

 

[clockman]

Postal Money Order and copy of the receipt from the Post Office, 100% secure, safe.

Take a picture of the money order and receipt, text it to the seller and they can verify the money order number on the receipt, with the actual money order.

Now that you're aware of a system that is 100% safe and secure, I hope you take advantage of it.

:thumbup::thumbup:

 

[ohioan]

Truth is that with modern technology personal checks clear almost instantly now unless deposited via your ATM on a Sunday. Unlike the 'old day's" when the bank would mail hard copy of the check to the other bank and then await funds. Rarely have I had a cheek take more then a day to clear.

That said, I understand the reason most prefer PP. You have instant payment or commitment pay. You don't have to wait for the mail to see if the other party went threw with their promise to pay or if they are going to flake on you. And of course no delays which happen often using the mail service.

As to asking the buyer to pay using gift or pay your fee's I think the practice should be banned. Personally if I see, net to me, gift or add $xx% in an ad I will refuse to buy from that seller. Period! If more did that the practice would go away very quickly...

There is a difference between "clearing" and "posting" to your account. Most check POST to your account next business day. That does not mean it has cleared. I have seen checks be returned for various reasons a week later. The bank the check is written on can return the check weeks after it posted to your account.

I wouldn't except Personal checks, cashiers checks, or money orders for anything I was selling. Ever. USPS money orders have an 800 number you can call to check if a USPS MO is good.

I ignore threads that want me to pay the fees. It's aggrivates me. Seller is too lazy to figure the fee and work it in to the price? Blech.

 

[gzb]

Postal Money Order and copy of the receipt from the Post Office, 100% secure, safe.

Take a picture of the money order and receipt, text it to the seller and they can verify the money order number on the receipt, with the actual money order.

Now that you're aware of a system that is 100% safe and secure, I hope you take advantage of it.

You can remit any fees you were intending on spending with Paypal to a charity of your choice.

Thanks.

But I'll stick w/Paypal for the speed and convenience of it with most of my transactions. Doesn't mean it's exclusive. Just preferred...

 

[bhyde]

Why don't you switch to the system that is 100% safe and secure?

Wasn't that YOUR implication when you wrote it? "Paypal is safe and secure"
Was there an inferred level to safe and secure that means..well..only partially safe and secure?

I can only imagine how pissed I would be if my acct was hacked and PP simply washed their hands of it. Especially if I was a decent size business using it.


In the past, I have taken most forms of payment for various things. PP, Google Wallet, Check, Money Orders and Amazon payments.. Strange enough,..I have also seen cash in an envelope several times,..which never ceases to shock me.
Unfortunately, Paypal seems to be THE NECESSARY EVIL

Unless something else comes along

 

[spketch]

Postal Money Order and copy of the receipt from the Post Office, 100% secure, safe.

Take a picture of the money order and receipt, text it to the seller and they can verify the money order number on the receipt, with the actual money order.

Now that you're aware of a system that is 100% safe and secure, I hope you take advantage of it.

You can remit any fees you were intending on spending with Paypal to a charity of your choice.

Paypal is much simpler, and unless its a high dollar item, cheaper.
There's a fee to purchase a money order plus the cost of shipping it.

Maybe it's different if you live in a small town right next to the post office, but a trip to the post office to purchase or cash a money order takes about 30 minutes for me between driving and waiting in line. Time=money.

I don't refuse to use money orders but much prefer PayPal. I certainly don't expect a seller to send my item before they receive the money order in hand though, and I won't ship until then as a seller myself.

 

[Kyui Su Kim]

PayPal is safe and secure.

We just heard about another knifemaker who had is account frozen last week for selling weapons (knives).

Our account was hacked. We lost money and never got it back.

PayPal is safe and secure.

Chuck

Yep, just had a incident over Thanksgiving where Paypal let another account use my bank info to withdraw $1000 in two $500 transactions. When I called about it,the person I was speaking to immediately accused me of compromising my account rather than trying to resolve the issue.

Ended up having my bank take the funds back from Paypal and having them blacklist Paypal from ever drawing funds. I don't understand why they didn't think that 2 Paypal accounts drawing from the same source was odd, especially for the amount and the fact that the names did not match up.

Their customer service policy seems to be on par with the CIA's mission statement:
Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations.

 

[high desert]

I prefer pay pal over money orders. More than one time waiting to receive a money order, I contacted the buyer 3 days later to ck on progress only to get the "well I changed my mind. Sorry, I was going to tell you" BS. Also when I have to send a money order I pay extra to track my money order so I can prove it arrived.

 

[Ernie1980]

PayPal is easy to use, and safe for the most part. There is always a risk when you are talking about transferring money or buying anything. I will gladly accept other payment types, and say that in my for sale posts. So far, I have had exactly TWO people take me up on the offer. (Out of probably 100 deals) As for the asking the buying to pay the fees, this has been discussed ad nauseam. I skip ads that ask me to pay their fees, and don't do it on my for sale posts.
For the OP, why not leave this thread be and go check out some of the great knife discussions??