What's your latest Schrade? END DATE 8/12

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The thinner liner and blade stock. Glaze finish all around. These could point to Imperial's methods. Interesting! Will we ever know for sure??
 
Roland, Schrade was added to the Imperial fold in 1947, and I'm pretty sure trading commenced almost immediately with some parts. The above 804 doesn't seem to be a production 804, more like possibly a sample, or an experiment? The 804 main clip blades were sabre ground for almost their entire existence. Only in, I believe, 1972 did they go to flat ground, and then they were discontinued in 1974-75. They were also polished on the mark side during the sabre period as well. The etch was a flat etch rather than the curvy etch. Yet this one appears to have the older SW tang stamps, which would seem to point to maybe an experiment with a less costly model, possibly with an eventual Imperial tang stamp? (This is conjecture on my part). You never know what they might have had on the shelves that never made it to production. Ever hear of the DELUXE Uncle Henry's?

Charlie, the thinner liner and blade stock might also point to a cost cutting model. Sorry, just saw your post, I know it wasn't there when I started typing:confused::D

Eric
 
Seems like a narrow window for the flat ground blades, Eric. Nice in some ways, for pinning down manufacturing dates.
Does anyone have a flat ground 804 with different handles?

BTW Eric, you may type even more slowly than I do!!
 
It's the "researching whilst typing" that takes forever! Thought the page would expire before I was done:D:D

A better question would be what does the tang stamp look like on the flat ground blades. That's what has me a bit puzzled. I don't have one of those later models to compare:(

Eric
 
OK, found a shot on Ebay, here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-POCKET-KNIF...emQQptZCollectible_Knives?hash=item35a824be91

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It's pretty beat up but it appears to have the same tang stamp and the standard open stock delrin handles.

Not sure if the liners were ever made thinner than the earlier SW 804's. There are a couple of catch pieces against the springs on the large blade end, In 1975 that blade was supposed to be thickened at the tang in order to eliminate the catch pieces and use up old 804 parts. The resulting knife was to get a new number, but I don't think the plan ever went through.

Eric
 
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I am away from home for a brief while but i do have a few 804s, some i think with the flat blade grind. i will check and post pics if i have one(or more).
roland
 
I have never seen one of these that did not have a Schrade Walden Stamp, meaning Schrade NY USA. I have bought and sold a couple used ones too. At one time I had four MIT (mint in tube) just like this, and they looked like they had just been minted. Little paper shavings from the edge of the cardboard was hanging off the edge, and there were visible "Derlin" shards around the handle pins. I have seen them with Schrade on the shield, and blank shields as well.

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I bought a twelve lot of knives a couple years ago. 4 each, 804, 974, 861, all in the tube. Curiously, the tubes were all Schrade Walden, but the 861 Stockman were the Schrade / NY USA / 861 stamp. Makes me think these were all from the last Schrade Walden season in 73 or 74, but who knows how long the knives and tubes existed after the name change.

They were out of an old sporting goods store clean out, and I'm sure they were all original. I think Russell may have one of the 974's.

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It was the best BIN I ever ran across about 4:00 AM one morning. My mouse finger could not hit that BIN button quick enough. It was a nice revisit this morning, when I went hunting on the computer for these old pics I took for Ebay. Hopefully my photo skills have improved a little.

Sadly they are all Delrin, no red bone here.:(
 
There are a great many exquisite Pen knife patterns made many years ago.
these have wonderful long swages, skillfully placed pulls, and exacting tolerances.
too bad today's manufacturers mostly turn out Jacks.
this one is pretty nice.

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roland
 
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Maybe this can help, Eric. The ebay image is not great; any bigger and it pixelates worse.
The stamps say the same thing. . . . . . . . .
 
Beautiful Ulster Roland!! Say, you didin't cut that finger opening all those blades at once, did you?

Eric
 
Charlie, yep, definitely the same, I was wondering if it had changed in the later years, but apparently it didn't. Hal's could definitely be a twin of yours, it appears to have the same grind as well.

Eric
 
The flat ground 804 blade stamps all seem to match.
 
I'm typing as fast as I can!! Do you think the ebay knife is bone or delrin, Eric/Hal/Roland/Russell??
Nice 804s Hal!!
 
I'd say delrin for sure, and well weathered.
 
I'm gonna say that there is Delrin on the Ebay knife. I've seen a lot 0f 804's on Ebay, but yours Charlie is the first flat grind I've seen with bone handles.
 
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I concur, you can see melted plastic around the shield I think.
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Right! That's the telling feature right there!
Hot shields? I wonder how the process went!?
Anyway, if it melts, it's plastic.

Nice Ulster pen, Roland. I agree, pens are under-appreciated. I have several in my re-furbished Empire display. Hopefully I'll post pictures in "Traditionals" soon.
 
thawk said:
I concur, you can see melted plastic around the shield I think.
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Yep, they melted the shield imprints into the handles, sometimes left a little squished area:D

Say, if anyone has a Heritage 8041, maybe you could check to see if there are catch pieces on the liners beneath the master blade. If not, that would be how they used up the old 804 parts:cool:

Eric
 
Eric, v. observant ! the cut is from another knife. these oldies are sharp and "quick snappers".
can't wait to get home and check my Whittlers. i think i have a Craftsman that matches Charlie's.
roland
 
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