What's your latest Schrade? START DATE 8/12

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how does one ascertain if the craftsman knife was made by Schrade. is it the three pins and size of them. i have noticed that Camillus the front pin is smaller? any other clues or cateloge?

The best way I know of is to examine the Camilus S-cards that Mr. Williams shared with us before his passing. Other than that, having both the Camillus or Schrade base pattern and an SFO example in front of you to compare. Also Camillus did not use the Swinden key, even when making knives for Schrade for Sears. :)
 
It's not a given, but often I can tell a lot about a Craftsman pocket knife by the swedge on the master blade. Of course, some of them are easier to tell than others.
 
1991 on the Paperwork. Came in the mail today. So that sort of narrows down the year if that truly is the paper work from this knife as sold.:p

That'll do pig, that'll do.:D

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That would be the correct era for that box art. A nice get as a complete, unmolested package. Congratulations!
 
That would be the correct era for that box art. A nice get as a complete, unmolested package. Congratulations!

Thank you very much. Thank you also for the absolute weath of information you and many others have provided these many years.

As a hunter and outdoorsman I had been using schrades my whole life since the early 70's when my dad gave me my first one and it never passed thru my head that one day I wouldn't be able walk into my favorite sportmans store and look over then new models and select one or two that year.

Lots of memories going into Orchard Supply, Gemco, Knowles(local place) and many of the other mom and pops I frequented during my travels over northern California fishing and hunting. Always passing by the Schrade displays without even a second thought that this quality American made knife would someday not be there.
 
Schrade Walden NY three line stamp(no USA in stamping), 2344K pattern Serpentine Jack Knife, 3 5/16" closed, master blade has a crocus polished front. No pattern stamp on the back side. This is the description from the Schrade Walden 1947 catalog. Known as K-Horn celluloid by Schrade, often called Butter and Molasses. The pattern was later changed to 234K. The K-Horn also changed its composition later on.

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I really like the way the clip blade is swedged on that one. That's a beauty and a great find!

This one does look really cool looking down at the blade taper from a top view. I did not have the correct angle to really show off the swegdes, except on the front view closed but you are right, they did a nice job on this one. The clip blade is centered perfectly. Schrade really did nice swedges back in the day. I've seen some really detailed swedges even on tiny pen blades.
 
This one does look really cool looking down at the blade taper from a top view. I did not have the correct angle to really show off the swegdes, except on the front view closed but you are right, they did a nice job on this one. The clip blade is centered perfectly. Schrade really did nice swedges back in the day. I've seen some really detailed swedges even on tiny pen blades.


Pretty neat that the spine is beveled almost back to the tang. I think the blade shape out to the point seems somewhat unique compared to other clip blades too. I like it.

They swedged some of these 898UH SFOs like that, beveled almost to the tang. Some are swedged and some aren't. I have one that has a more drastic swedge than the other I have. I had to wonder if they turned the apprentices loose on some of the knives, not being uniform and all. I wonder how they decide to swedge and how much. It's a curiosity to me.

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Pretty neat that the spine is beveled almost back to the tang. I think the blade shape out to the point seems somewhat unique compared to other clip blades too. I like it.

They swedged some of these 898UH SFOs like that, beveled almost to the tang. Some are swedged and some aren't. I have one that has a more drastic swedge than the other I have. I had to wonder if they turned the apprentices loose on some of the knives, not being uniform and all. I wonder how they decide to swedge and how much. It's a curiosity to me.

I think the theory, is that the 898UH and the 886Uh with the S.C.C. stamps and single pin construction were made for Schrade by Camillus. They've been discussed frequently, but never a solid explanation on why they were made, when Schrade already had the 897UH and 885UH Uncle Henry in production. I don't have either of these knives any longer, but if memory serves, they have bolster pins.

One of the most attractive features of the older Schrade Walden and Schrade NY USA stamped knives is the hand finished swedges. Those grinders really had some talent for their craft.

Some of the early Uncle Henry knives were the last of the era when you see these nice old swedges. I love these old examples where they hand finished the swedges and the razor blade edges. I have always liked these photos of light capturing the beauty of these cutler's skill. He nailed all three, but the spey blade is masterful.

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Those are nice pics! I don't have a 885UH that's swedged. Seems odd that some swedges only go from the point where the spine breaks downward or in a radius to the point and some carry back along the spine at varying lengths. Long pulls as opposed to nail nicks might have something to do with it. And some more radically beveled than others, some on one side only and so forth. I have read some comments and theories about the reasons for them, but I'm starting to think they are more cosmetic than anything. It's a mystery to me. As far as the 898UH goes, someone, (Codger I think), posted the work order for them but it doesn't have the name of the the one who ordered it on the work order. Seems like someone said who it was, but darn if I can remember. I need to take more notes. My memory just ain't cuttin it anymore. :confused:
 
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thawk, this is my oldest 885UH (Bottom right-hand side, with long thin pull)
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Can we date this knife? Ken
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This is this week's new addition to my collection.
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I turned 16 in '77 and bought one of these exact knives from our local Sears store with my birthday money! I always thought it was the coolest with all the Caftsman logos since 1927, and because my dad was born in 1927, too. I carried it up into the Air Force, where I eventually broke the tip off the clip blade (abusing it in some improper way). Sears replaced it with no questions asked (Good old Craftsman!), but the new one wasn't the special anniversary edition, just a standard white delrin 4" stockman. Lost it years later.

Have always wanted another one like the original. It was my first real knife I bought new, and still one of the best I've ever owned.

Thanks for refreshing a good memory for me!

GlennH, Last year I got one of these in excellent condition, without the box, in a large trade. Doesn't fit my current collection. If you want it let me know, I'll send it to you, no charge. Just needs a good home. Randy rtmind64@hotmail.com
 
Swedges are both cosmetic and, in cases where there is very little clearance for the blades, functional as well. Cutting a swedge thins a blade so that a second blade can better squeeze in along side it. This is most prevalent in whittler pattern, stockman, and congress pattern knives. In the case of the old two blade jacks, you may have noticed that the pile side swedge on the pen blades is always much longer and deeper than the swedge on the mark side. This was done to provide more room for a thumbnail to get at the long pull on the large blade. Over time speed became more important than doing the job right. This included dressing blade backs. You'll note on later Schrades (and other companies as well), that the nice sharp transition from blade back to clip became rounded off. Note the difference between Hal's UH and the SCC UH. These are REAL thorns in my side and I fight with the guys to this day to correct it. I guess some thirty year habits are hard to break. That nice long drawn swedge on Hal's clip blade gave the sheepfoot more room. A REAL sign of quality grinding on the old stockmans was also to cut an offset shoulder in the tang of the sheepfoot in order to make a pocket for the spey blade to drop into. Hope all this makes sense!

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Thank you Eric for that information, can you tell me a little about my oldest 855UH... Ken.
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Swedges are both cosmetic and, in cases where there is very little clearance for the blades, functional as well. Cutting a swedge thins a blade so that a second blade can better squeeze in along side it. This is most prevalent in whittler pattern, stockman, and congress pattern knives. In the case of the old two blade jacks, you may have noticed that the pile side swedge on the pen blades is always much longer and deeper than the swedge on the mark side. This was done to provide more room for a thumbnail to get at the long pull on the large blade. Over time speed became more important than doing the job right. This included dressing blade backs. You'll note on later Schrades (and other companies as well), that the nice sharp transition from blade back to clip became rounded off. Note the difference between Hal's UH and the SCC UH. These are REAL thorns in my side and I fight with the guys to this day to correct it. I guess some thirty year habits are hard to break. That nice long drawn swedge on Hal's clip blade gave the sheepfoot more room. A REAL sign of quality grinding on the old stockmans was also to cut an offset shoulder in the tang of the sheepfoot in order to make a pocket for the spey blade to drop into. Hope all this makes sense!

Eric

Much more sense than some other explanations I've read. Thank you!
 
This may be redundant since I posted this on the fish knife thread too, oh well.
Finally came today after some hassle with a new ebayer's first transaction. Ulster 208 Fisherman's Pride boxed set, including a sharpening stone for the blade. Not pristine, but not used or sharpened either. Seems odd that it has no tang stamp on the blade, but it doesn't. Not even Ulster.

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