When moderators aren't moderate....

[geothorn]

Im new here geothorn but I have learned to read the signs where ever I go. You have one foot in the grave and the other on a bannana peel. You are about to get banned. Do you want that?

Thank you for your "warning," holierthanthou.

You've been banned, again, by the moderators. Yes, you do have more first-hand knowledge of banishment than I do.... Therefore, you'll pardon me if I ignore your suggestions for "How to be a Troll."

I'm not following GigOne's example of behavior, either, so, don't take my rebuke too strongly, holierthanthou. There are already enough trolls around here without my turning into another one of them....

GeoThorn

 

[Bronco]

I can press a button...what happens then...? Nothing that I've seen.

My post from approximately four hours ago:

I'll further add that in the one instance where geo did use the reporting function, his concerns were addressed rather quickly. He reported his concerns with post #54 of a particular Political Arena thread. I reviewed the post in question, agreed with his concerns, and intervened at post #59. It would therefore seem to me that there's still room to operate within the current system.

?????



Sadly, the problem may be worse than I feared.

 

[Planterz]

Planterz, why haven't you learned that when one makes a post that there should be an intelligent thought located somewhere behind it...?

Oh, the irony...

Oh, I see, you are only here to insult. <sarcasm>How nice of you.</sarcasm

You should come to the Political Arena, where insulting me is allowed....

GeoThorn.

You've completely missed the point (not the first time). Heck, I hate Dubya almost as much as you do, but your posting is way beyond reason and devoid of rational thought. You complain about moderators not being "moderate", but what if they were on your side? Wouldn't hear any complaining from you then, would we? And if we made you a moderator, you'd be about as fair and impartial as a Russian judge at the Olympics Figure Skating competition (too obscure? Too gay?).

How about this? Instead of me saying "Why don't you just leave?" or "Don't let the doorknob poke your ass on the way out.", I'll ask why it is that you feel the need to stay here? If you're not whining about Bush, you're whining about the rules here, and how they're not working to your full, whiney advantage. If you don't like the way a particular restaurant serves you, why would you want to keep eating there?

 

[geothorn]

Your "problem" is that Political is not moderated the way you like.

Ah, that's why you've shown up in this thread, in order to defend the way that the Political Arena is or is not moderated, as I contend it to be. Yes, I guess that a Bush Believer would want to fight in order to have a political forum moderated the way that he/she wants it moderated...and, you have it, right?

You are a Bush Believer, and you like that the Political Arena "moderators" are Bush Believers, too...? I can understand that. In the current BladeForums Political Arena, with the "moderators" Ken Cox and Bronco, you can throw words like "constant whining tantrums" and 'spoiled child' into what is supposed to be a civil(ized) discussion, and, 90- to 100% of the time, you'll get away with it, won't you? Well, that is the crux of this thread, and, you know what, you've made a great example for my side of the argument.

Thanks .45acp. I know that you didn't intend to bolster my argument, but, nonetheless, you were successful.

It is moderated, it just does not suit you.....your constant whining and tantrums remind me of a spoiled child. As evidence I would submit that you blame the moderators for as you say &#8220;Your Problem&#8221;. You should take a good hard look in the mirror, &#8220;your problem&#8221; will be staring you in the face!

I hope that your blood pressure is doing OK, because you seem to get quite, um, emotional, sometimes:

Someone's dropped the ball in New Orleans, but now isn't the time to worry about who, and where it was dropped. We need to clear everyone out of there so that recovery can begin, and people stop dying from a lack of basic necessities.

REALLY

What ball was dropped, what exactly could have been done to prevent the chaos? Really, I am dying to hear from one of you chairborne experts, exactly how this could have been prevented. Crystal balls? How in the hell could have anyone predicted this disaster on such a grand scale.
The relief effort is a study of mass logistics, that is all. The news, people, and victims all blither on about the suffering, pain and nothing is being done. No police, no city workers, why there is not any power, really you are 20 feet under water and some damn fool cut the power, how inconsiderate. I&#8217;m trying to figure out what these people expect. The police, fire dept. personnel, and city workers are all in the same condition at their own homes with thier own problems.
This relief effort is nothing but pure logistics, and like it or not, logistics on this scale does take time to wind up.
All this blithering about dropped balls by folks that do not know their ass from a hole in the ground is pathetic. New Orleans had exactly 3 days to prepare for something they did not know would happen.

Thanks for your input to this thread, .45acp. You've helped to prove my points for me, probably better than I could have done, alone.

GeoThorn

 

[fixer27]

Mr. Geothorn is on my "ignore list". IMO he has become unhinged in the last few weeks and almost incomprehensible in his postings. That is My Opinion.

So be it.

However, to run to the "BladeForums Service and Support forum" to make a thread about his grievences has shades of the long gone and largely unlamented Jimminy.

for myself, this incredibly disrespectful. S.P.A.R.K. is merely a phone call away, and yet rather than seek immeaditate remedy, Mr. Geothorn has to make a specatcle of himself on a private forum. We ALL are here at Spark's pleasure, we all can be banned for no reason at all.

S.P.A.R.K. High pirate in charge for a reason.

 

[.45acp]

Geo,

You just do not get it...there have been a number of posts in this thread that disagree with your position as well as folks that do. You reject all comments that do not support your contentions and conveniently ignore that this is a Private Forum and you are not owed or due moderation that meets your approval. .
Why would you want stay here? You are not happy with the constituent membership and your posting habits are like a child just stamping their feet until mom gives them attention. Whining and tantrums are the norm, perhaps you feel the need to do it to try to get your point across, I do not know. Whatever it is, any subject (Bush, conservatives, neo-con&#8217;s etc..etc..etc) you opine about is lost in the hatred you throw out.
It is a shame that you find nothing good about the US or this forum.
Why do you stay?
By the way,&#8230;..Who was/is responsible for all of the world&#8217;s problems before Bush was elected president, I mean the guy has only been President or 6 years but you have branded him as guilty for every problem imaginable. I have asked you that before, but you have never answered.


Steve

 

[GigOne]

The reason that he posts his periodic BS in Service and Support, and his mindless tirades in Political. . . .he feeds off of negativity. He knows that his position is considered delusional, as best. Yet, his posts contain deliberate flaws and errors in his judgment, asking for help with an implausible problem, intentionally posting his outrageous argument, politically contentious messages, etc., etc., etc.

He's piss poor horn player that thinks he hears a symphony. Nuttin' mo than an attention ho.

 

[geothorn]

I take it, Mongo-man, that this post is somehow/somewhat different than the post that you made at 6:39 this morning, the one where you deleted the contents therein, and replaced them with "Edited because i let my emotions overtake."...?

I wish that I had seen that post....

Mr Geothorn, you have the right to have an opinion, and so does everyone else on this forum.

Yes, I can agree with you, there.

Sadly for you, it appears that people who collect knives also seem to lean to the right side of the political scale.

I wasn't aware that this was a message board system exclusively for knife collecting. So, judging from your statement, I guess that I shouldn't be here, at all, since I'm not a knife collector...?

Sadly for you, nearly everyone uses knives, and, I believe that anyone that has, keeps, uses, sharpens, carries, and has heirlooms that are knives deserve to have their place at BladeForums. I hope that you could agree with me, there. Yes, even Democrats use knives, too, last time I checked....

I can see that you disagree, but if you are a real Democrat you can only accept the simple fact that on this forum you are a minority group.

Actually, I'm a registered Republican *. That's where your "logic" falls apart. I'm not a Democrat, so, I'm not a member of the minority here, so, it doesn't matter whether I collect knives, or, simply use them to cut meat at dinner....

That is what democracy is all about, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Yes, I'll agree with you there. However, I'm worried about America actually being a "democracy" anymore. That is why I get as serious as a heart attack around here.

President Bush and his administration are running America down railroad tracks of their own choosing, and, my being blessed with eyesight that's as sharp as a knife, I can see a piece of the track ahead that has all of it's ties pulled....

Mongo-man, I suggest that you watch the "The Dark Side," a P.B.S. Frontline story concerning the lead-up to the U.S.-Iraq Conflict. See the information that knocks the Bush administration linkage between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden into the dust, one of the main contentions that led us into Iraq.

Or, you could just read the transcript:

The Dark Side

PRODUCED AND DIRECTED BY
Michael Kirk

PRODUCED AND REPORTED BY
Jim Gilmore

WRITTEN BY
Michael Kirk

NARRATOR: After 9/11, the White House went to war.

Vice Pres. DICK CHENEY: We've got to spend time in the shadows. We have to work toward the dark side, if you will.

NARRATOR: And the vice president would lead the charge

OBSERVER: He's the most powerful vice president in history of our country.

NARRATOR: and define the war on terror.

OBSERVER: Things are going to happen that the public's not going to know about.

OBSERVER: We weren't going to play by the old set of rules.

Vice Pres. DICK CHENEY: It's going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal to achieve our objective.

NARRATOR: Tonight on FRONTLINE, the inside story from The Dark Side.

I don't see how you, as a true democrat, you can demand "neutral" moderators?

It doesn't, or, rather, shouldn't matter what my political affiliation is, or, "should be." I'm a Republican, and, yes, I'm asking that the "moderators" in the BladeForums Political Arena be more neutral, or, at least, to make their efforts at "moderation" more neutral.

I haven't any problem with either Ken Cox or Bronco having participation in the BFC Political Arena. I only have a problem when their style of moderating falls on the side of allowing other Bush Believers to abuse and verbally pummel those that disagree with or criticize President Bush. It's that black & white in the Political Arena.

If anyone wants to see a demonstration of the "moderating" being done in the Political Arena, just click the link at the bottom of that last paragraph, and join in. Criticize or disagree with President Bush or his administration, on most any level, and watch the fur start a-flying. I've been watching it for too long, without change, and finally I've come here, to post a thread about uneven-handed moderating.

I'd finally had my limit. I'll take being attacked as a "liar" and a 'traitor' only as long as I feel necessary, and then I'll bring a complaint. That's the reason for this thread.

Democracy means the freedom of to choose, it seems most people inhere choose different then you.

That's OK. Most people here are not moderators, or, at least call themselves such, and, well, I would hope that all Americans are patriotic.

I think that America is being badly led and misled by President Bush and his administration. We are having propaganda being used against us, by President Bush and his administration, and, we are losing our rights, slowly and gradually, perhaps, but, nonetheless, we only have a tenuous grasp on the U.S. Constitution, our country, our rights, our freedoms.

Has anyone bothered to check the security of our rights in Bush administration hands...?

Two naturalized American citizens, Iyman Faris and Jose Padilla, have been kept in military brigs, having been charged as "enemy combatants," for up to seven months without access to defense attorneys, and for up to 3-1/2-years without their cases having come to trial. On top of that, neither mans' defense attorneys have access to all of the Bush administration evidence against their clients because the "evidence" is a highly and tightly kept secret.

What stops you or me from being called an "enemy combatant," if two Americans can have had their rights abused so badly...?

And what could free us, without access to either legal representation and/or a "speedy trial"...? No "speedy and public trial" is an abridgment of the Sixth Amendment...how many amendments to the U.S. Constitution do the Bush administration not respect...? The Fourth Amendment is being actively gutted at all U.S. airports, by the T.S.A., for example....

GeoThorn

 

[TOMBSTONE]

I appreciate your well thought out reply to my posting of this thread. You are the first one that hasn't tried to tell me to go away, or, that I should find a forum that's moderated more to my liking. I appreciate your giving my posting of this thread any measure of respect, which is something that other paying members, and even a BladeForums SuperModerator, haven't bothered to do.

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I'm just having trouble attempting to have discussions in a political forum that is allegedly "moderated," when it, in fact, isn't.

From my point of view, it seems as though anyone that likes/supports/agrees with/spreads the propaganda of President Bush and his administration get a free ride in the Political Arena, when it comes to insulting, calling names, and generally acting rudely to other members, whose opinions don't mesh with those of the Bush Believers. Is that a "moderated forum," when the politics of one side is fully embraced and supported by the 'moderators,' and the political posts from the 'other side' are allowed to be treated badly...? That doesn't fit the ideal of moderation that I believe is necessary/required in a Political Arena.

I agree with you, Ken Cox and Bronco are totally allowed/able to have whatever political outlook or opinion that they want. However, as moderators, their certain political bias is effecting their moderating. I can get called a "traitor" and a 'liar' by the Bush Believers, and, guess what, the Bush Believing moderators let them get away with it, not saying anything. Whereas, if I were to call a Bush Believer a "traitor" or a 'liar," well, Ken Cox and Bronco would be there, publicly admonishing me, nearly immediately. Why the discrepancies in treatment, Bush Believer versus non-Bush Believer...?

Again, if Ken Cox and Bronco are allowed to remain as Political Arena moderators, and they are not made to moderate in a less biased fashion, then the Political Arena should be renamed to the Bush Believer Forum. At least, in that way, those that decide to post in the Political Arena, that is allegedly/supposedly "moderated," will have a better idea of what they are getting themselves into....

GeoThorn

Thank you for the compliment.
Politics & Religion are probably the worst two subjects to debate with friends,family,spouses.I learned that the hardway debating my Wife. I consider this forum family and my main focus is knives,survival,tactical,and related forums.I realize we have a Political forum here,because inevitebly there are going to be posts that don't fit anywhere else but there.It happens on every forum I go to,no matter what the subject,religion and politics will be discussed.I try to stay out of these volitile areas most of the time,because I don't like to have very emotional,angry, debates with family.In all my years alive, I've come to realize that very rarely does debating lead to changing of someone's belief's and opinions in these very personal issues.I have debated people face to face,and most cannot cope with an opposing opinion,and get very angry and frustrated that they cannot change my view.In fact, all this argueing about Bush isn't going to have an affect on his choices,his length of time left in Office,all the problems this Nation is experiencing.We are like a mouse whispering in a noisy sports stadium.Wasted breath and surely continued disappointment.I do understand though the need to discuss issues and let one's opinion be heard.
In these forums,There should be no personal attacks of people that like Bush or dislike Bush.These debates should discuss the issue's and your point of you,and allow other people to disagree and rebute.I haven't alway's made the right choices myself when posting,and there can be improvements made by everyone participating here.

Best Regards,Ralph

 

[geothorn]

I found this to be an interesting post:

Post #26:

Edited, sorry didn't realize this wasn't in political until just now...

It appears, from Triton's own admission, that, if he had been in the Political Arena, he'd have had something "more" to say to me, than that stated in his deleted/edited post. What else did you post, Triton...?

Misbehavior seems tough to self-"moderate" (sorry, I couldn't resist...) around here, both in Service & Support and the Political Arena....

GeoThorn

 

[thombrogan]

If I'm understanding the original issue correctly, GeoThorn is observing that the rules of decorum are being enforced against him and relaxed when moderate liberals (the so-called 'far-right') take similar or much worse actions. GeoThorn appears upset that this issue is either being willfully ignored by Bronco and Ken Cox or that they're negligent in their moderational duties if this is a shared blind spot and need to get on the ball or seek assistance.

Is this what is upsetting you, GeoThorn?

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Well, if you are secretly Spark, I guess that I would have to go along with you. However, I think that you are just stating your own personal opinion, otherwise.

GeoThorn

Let's give it a little while and see. There have been complaints about how Ken moderates the political forum in the past, and guess what? He is still there. I'm just going with past experience.

 

[cosine]

Yes, apparently, there are a lot of Whine & Cheesers having some fun here. I'm not too certain, however, because I haven't really participated in W&C since the Worse President thread, that was locked-up after the W&C moderator, TomW, was placed on probation for getting racial.

Politics is a hot/heated topic, and, how can it not be, when America is being kept in a permanently divided state, Republican and Democrat...? If a W&C moderator can lose his comportment and civility and start attacking someone because of their ancestry, well, I guess that politics is, indeed, something that cannot be discussed in "polite company," like religion....

I'd thought that W&C behavior was to be left in W&C...however, some members and moderators seem not to share that view.

GeoThorn

Geez, I make a one-liner post in jest...

Lighten up. And for your information, I've encountered myself on half a dozen other boards on the 'Net the type of (perceived or actual) behavour that's got your undergarments in a bundle. Know what you do in such circumstances? You give it up, both for your own well-being and harmony and for that of others. Options: Find a different forum, one that adheres to your standards. Continue participation in the forum that's you've got a bone to pick with. Just relax, everything in your life isn't going to go your way. Everything in life won't adhere to the standards of behavour it claims it will (if you think there is a discrepancy there). Chill out. Relax. Have a cold one. (Well, I can't do that yet...)

Remember, it's just "TEH INTERNET1111!!"

 

[Mike G]

For the last 4 years georthorn has used BF for the sole purpose of exploiting the political forum with his anti- American and anti-Bush rhetoric. This dude so disgusts me that he is one of the reasons that I have not posted on the political forum anymore. Now it seems he is not content with just posting his views he is annoyed that the mods are not backing him up. All the while he chooses not to contribute one dollar to make sure that BF succeeds. He is a free loader who is annoyed that the people who run and assure that BF succeeds are not agreeing with him. To say that this dude grates on me is putting it mildly.

I agree 100%

GeoThorn refuses to pony up and support the forums; he refuses to call Spark on the phone to discuss his issues with the forums, but yet continues to badger the members, and insult the moderators with his half baked perceptions and thinly veiled insults, and doesn't expect anyone to reply in kind. How quaint.

GeoThorn, I think it is time for you to either call Spark on the phone and discuss your issues, or it is time for you to stop beating this dead horse. Nothing you type here is going to change a damn thing. Nothing! So, before you get another ulcer, move on, and put this behind you.

By the way,…..Who was/is responsible for all of the world’s problems before Bush was elected president, I mean the guy has only been President or 6 years but you have branded him as guilty for every problem imaginable. I have asked you that before, but you have never answered.

I'd like to hear your response to this question as well, GeoThorn.

 

[Gollnick]

I'd like to hear your response to this question as well, GeoThorn.

Keep in mind that this is the technical support forum. That political question is probabaly best engaged in the political forum.

 

[Triton]

I found this to be an interesting post:

Post #26:It appears, from Triton's own admission, that, if he had been in the Political Arena, he'd have had something "more" to say to me, than that stated in his deleted/edited post. What else did you post, Triton...?

Misbehavior seems tough to self-"moderate" (sorry, I couldn't resist...) around here, both in Service & Support and the Political Arena....

GeoThorn

Actually I merely posted a refutation of your latest spurious charges... then realizing which forum this was actually in I figured I'd save it for later.

 

[Spark]

Oh for the love of pete.

Look, it's pretty simple. If you don't like the tone of the debate in Political, you have two choices - either try to change people's minds through facts, logic & common sense; or abstain from posting there altogether.

Bronco & Ken do a great job. Like it was mentioned earlier, I don't care if they are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or Commie Pinko Socialist as long as they don't abuse their position and keep a rein in on idiots. That they have been moderators in the Political Arena this long should speak volumes on how I view their performance.

The Political Arena is here as a courtesy. If you don't like it, remember, the site is BladeForums.com, not Politics.com - feel free to head elsewhere for your political discussion.

 

[Mongo-man]

Mr Geothorn, my edited posts was out of respect of you and me. I used strong language to send my vieuw when it bassicaly was inapropriate.

Regarding the decissions made by the Bush administration, i would like to say that, it is not the president himself who decides what to do.

The advisors surrounding the President have a huge influence on his ability to
make certain decisions.

Do i believe the Iraq war was neccessary? I don't know, Mr Houssain was a massmurderer who commited genocide on his own people.

He was also a mayor stabile power in the middle-east, largely sponsored by the US in his battle against Iran.

My firrm believe is that the President is someone who really want's to fight to conserve the USA and Western Judeo-Christian values in the world.
His advisors know this and CAN exploit this in their own interrest.

Let's look at the positive and negative effects of the current war.

-forming of a pro western nation in the volatile Middle East.
-forming a forward base to fight the Wahabites in the Middle East if the house of Saoud falls.
-construction of a pro western state to defend Israël if needed, and to controle Israël in their sometimes emotional ressponse to outward threats( understandable if we look at modern history)
-forming a forward base to defend neccessary oil reserves.
-the true believe that we can impose democracy in the Middle East.
-Use and production of very expensive military equipment that gives a financial boost to the weapon manufacturers
-deployment of the Military Forces under wartime conditions



Negative
-massive casualities among the civilian population
-moderate ( up untill now) casualities among Coalition forces
-political unrest in the region due to the presence of the US
-use of undemocratic means to subdue terrorists (Guantanamo, CIA flights,)

President Bush is IMHO strongly influenced as President, because of his religious beliefs, his political vieuw on the role of the USA on a global scale, the fact that he was president during the enemy 9/11 attacks, and the fact that his advisors have close ties with those industries that profit from a war.

This makes him easy prey for those who have a second agenda.

But let's be honest, name me one US president in the recent history who didn't engage his armed forces in low or high profile conflicts?

And regarding the response President Bush had on the tragic events of 9/11 and afterwards, i think he did a good job.
His "advisors" didn't seem to respond well to the news of the ongoing enemy attacks. At that point in his life i believe the President was a man with the burden of the whole world on his shoulders.
I strongly believe he handled it well. I would rather have a President who thinks before he acts then a President who starts lobbing Nuclear weapons in other countries backyard.

And what i think is the most important is that the United States population strongly supports the Presidents actions.
If you sow confussion among your own troops and the population you are breaking up the neccesary bond and support the Bush administration needs to win this war on the long run.

If you withdraw our troops from Iraq now, only names on a monument will remind our children from that war in the Middle East later.
Just my 2 cents

 

[Esav Benyamin]

geothorn
geothorn
geothorn

 

[m1marty]

Keep in mind that this is the technical support forum. That political question is probabaly best engaged in the political forum.

You truely are the Hall Monitor of BFC.